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US Intelligence agencies have lost their professional discipline in producing intelligence.

So says William Binny who worked in US intelligence for 30 years. Is it true? Should their reports starts with facts and evidence?

Is it ok to leave out specifics?

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Wliiam Binny said:
When I was there, no one would ever put out a report like this without saying something that was meaningful in terms of specifics.
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Have US intelligence agencies really lost their professional discipline?

Here is the report, in case anyone wants to weigh up what Binny says.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
 
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Will Wiley said:
US Intelligence agencies have lost their professional discipline in producing intelligence.

So says William Binny who worked in US intelligence for 30 years. Is it true? Should their reports starts with facts and evidence?

[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/O6upkKCiffc[/YOUTUBE]

Wliiam Binny said:
When I was there, no one would ever put out a report like this without saying something that was meaningful in terms of specifics.
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Have US intelligence agencies really lost their professional discipline?

Here is the report, in case anyone wants to weigh up what Binny says.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
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Regardless of this, the intelligence agencies have not produced conclusive or even partial evidence regarding the claim that the Russians did somehow hack and then use this to influence the election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NzTGlg4wu8
This purely to see what Gregory Copely's take on this is whether someone agrees with that or not.
 
Yes, but glorious Russian intelligence services are promoting freedoms all across world! Crimea is free! Ukraine soon will be free! Putin is awesome leader, no?
 
Ford said:
Yes, but glorious Russian intelligence services are promoting freedoms all across world! Crimea is free! Ukraine soon will be free! Putin is awesome leader, no?
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Crimea possesses vast offshore oil and gas resources in the Black Sea, an estimated as much as 13 trillion cm of natural gas. sounds like something the US does in the Middle East
 
The tradecraft standards for analytic products have been refined over the past ten years. These
standards include describing sources (including their reliability and access to the information they
provide), clearly expressing uncertainty, distinguishing between underlying information and analysts’
judgments and assumptions, exploring alternatives, demonstrating relevance to the customer, using
strong and transparent logic, and explaining change or consistency in judgments over time.
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It would be interesting to compare this report to one from the past, to see if standards have changed.
 
whichphilosophy said:
Ford said:
Yes, but glorious Russian intelligence services are promoting freedoms all across world! Crimea is free! Ukraine soon will be free! Putin is awesome leader, no?
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Crimea possesses vast offshore oil and gas resources in the Black Sea, an estimated as much as 13 trillion cm of natural gas. sounds like something the US does in the Middle East
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Oh that's right, I forgot...the fact that the US meddles in the Middle East makes whatever Russia does to her neighbors okay!
 
Now that Trump has won, I wonder if the pay rate for Russian internet trolls has fallen.
 
Exactly what is the argument that the declassified version of the intel report is a joke?
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Exactly what is the argument that the declassified version of the intel report is a joke?
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About 14-15 years ago, the Bush administration took intelligence from the CIA, reworked it to justify invading Iraq, and therefore any intelligence assessment from any US agency is completely wrong and we should trust the Russians instead. Because they're so honest.
 
whichphilosophy said:
Ford said:
Yes, but glorious Russian intelligence services are promoting freedoms all across world! Crimea is free! Ukraine soon will be free! Putin is awesome leader, no?
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Crimea possesses vast offshore oil and gas resources in the Black Sea, an estimated as much as 13 trillion cm of natural gas. sounds like something the US does in the Middle East
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The US has not annexed nor attempted to annex any nation or portion of any nation in the Middle East.
 
Why the DNC Emails Were Leaked Not Hacked

Mr. Trump’s skepticism is warranted not only by technical realities, but also by human ones, including the dramatis personae involved. Mr. Clapper has admitted giving Congress on March 12, 2013, false testimony regarding the extent of NSA collection of data on Americans. Four months later, after the Edward Snowden revelations, Mr. Clapper apologized to the Senate for testimony he admitted was “clearly erroneous.” That he is a survivor was already apparent by the way he landed on his feet after the intelligence debacle on Iraq.

Mr. Clapper was a key player in facilitating the fraudulent intelligence. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld put Mr. Clapper in charge of the analysis of satellite imagery, the best source for pinpointing the location of weapons of mass destruction — if any.
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Toni said:
whichphilosophy said:
Crimea possesses vast offshore oil and gas resources in the Black Sea, an estimated as much as 13 trillion cm of natural gas. sounds like something the US does in the Middle East
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The US has not annexed nor attempted to annex any nation or portion of any nation in the Middle East.
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I know...the Russians organized a referendum where the people in Crimea voted overwhelmingly to go with Russia.

America on the other hands lied about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction, then illegally invaded killing civilians willy nilly.

Chris Kyle said:
Our ROEs (Rules of Engagement) when the war kicked off were pretty simple: If you see anyone from about sixteen to sixty-five and they’re male, shoot ’em. Kill every male you see.
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This is what America did, yet you people have the gall to complain about Russia.
 
Will Wiley said:
Toni said:
The US has not annexed nor attempted to annex any nation or portion of any nation in the Middle East.
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I know...the Russians organized a referendum where the people in Crimea voted overwhelmingly to go with Russia.

America on the other hands lied about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction, then illegally invaded killing civilians willy nilly.
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I'm sure the intent was not to kill civilians willy nilly but through negligence and individual actions and missing targets this occurred. The Weapons of Mass Destruction were concocted by the politics of Mass Distraction.

We have the same situation again where a conclusion was made without any evidence being produced and before the investigation began. This time I think the US public are a little inclined to want to see the proof behind the bleating.
 
What? Russia cant do wrong because US has?
That is really shitty logic.
 
Ford said:
whichphilosophy said:
Crimea possesses vast offshore oil and gas resources in the Black Sea, an estimated as much as 13 trillion cm of natural gas. sounds like something the US does in the Middle East
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Oh that's right, I forgot...the fact that the US meddles in the Middle East makes whatever Russia does to her neighbors okay!
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Reflects them as the same. However there was an election in Crimea where they voted to remain with Russia. I cant verify if this was fair.
So US moaning about Russia is definitely a case of the Kettle calling the Pot black. :)
 
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