Syed's Mega-Thread

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

5:32-34 ...If any one slew a person - unless it be as punishment for murder or for spreading corruption in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.

Chapter 25 The Standard سورة الفرقان - Al-Furqan: Verse 68
وَالَّذِينَ لَا يَدْعُونَ مَعَ اللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا آخَرَ وَلَا يَقْتُلُونَ النَّفْسَ الَّتِي حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ إِلَّا بِالْحَقِّ وَلَا يَزْنُونَ ۚ وَمَنْ يَفْعَلْ ذَٰلِكَ يَلْقَ أَثَامًا
Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment.

Chapter 17 The night journey سورة الإسراء - Al-Isra: Verse 31
وَلَا تَقْتُلُوا أَوْلَادَكُمْ خَشْيَةَ إِمْلَاقٍ ۖ نَحْنُ نَرْزُقُهُمْ وَإِيَّاكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ قَتْلَهُمْ كَانَ خِطْئًا كَبِيرًا
Kill not your children for fear of want: We shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you. Verily the killing of them is a great sin.

not good enough to you ?

No, not good enough.

The first one's just a repeat of what we already discussed.
The second one says not to kill "such life as Allah has made sacred" - without specifying what that means - and is not a universal "don't kill".
The third one says not to kill your children for a specific reason. Again, not a universal "don't kill".

Face it, Syed, there is no universal command in the koran not to kill. OTOH, there are plenty of commands to kill for various reasons.

 

[Syed]

5:32-34 ...If any one slew a person - unless it be as punishment for murder or for spreading corruption in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.

Chapter 25 The Standard سورة الفرقان - Al-Furqan: Verse 68
وَالَّذِينَ لَا يَدْعُونَ مَعَ اللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا آخَرَ وَلَا يَقْتُلُونَ النَّفْسَ الَّتِي حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ إِلَّا بِالْحَقِّ وَلَا يَزْنُونَ ۚ وَمَنْ يَفْعَلْ ذَٰلِكَ يَلْقَ أَثَامًا
Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment.

Chapter 17 The night journey سورة الإسراء - Al-Isra: Verse 31
وَلَا تَقْتُلُوا أَوْلَادَكُمْ خَشْيَةَ إِمْلَاقٍ ۖ نَحْنُ نَرْزُقُهُمْ وَإِيَّاكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ قَتْلَهُمْ كَانَ خِطْئًا كَبِيرًا
Kill not your children for fear of want: We shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you. Verily the killing of them is a great sin.

not good enough to you ?

No, not good enough.

The first one's just a repeat of what we already discussed.
The second one says not to kill "such life as Allah has made sacred" - without specifying what that means - and is not a universal "don't kill".
The third one says not to kill your children for a specific reason. Again, not a universal "don't kill".

Face it, Syed, there is no universal command in the koran not to kill. OTOH, there are plenty of commands to kill for various reasons.

Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985) Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law).

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

Please, please, the time spent trying to read these posts is taking me away from worshiping my juju stone.

please learn something today

I randomly scrolled to a post on this page, and found the most ironic one in the thread.

I'm gonna go buy a lottery ticket.

 

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

No, not good enough.

The first one's just a repeat of what we already discussed.
The second one says not to kill "such life as Allah has made sacred" - without specifying what that means - and is not a universal "don't kill".
The third one says not to kill your children for a specific reason. Again, not a universal "don't kill".

Face it, Syed, there is no universal command in the koran not to kill. OTOH, there are plenty of commands to kill for various reasons.

Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985) Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law).

Context?

 

[Syed]

Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985) Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law).

Context?

Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause

 

[Elixir]

Context?

- except for just cause

Translation: "KILL THE INFIDELS!"
(According to many)

 

[Syed]

- except for just cause

Translation: "KILL THE INFIDELS!"
(According to many)

yes, if he invade your country

 

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

Context?

Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause

No, by context I mean what comes before and after that in the text, as you very well know. And this " - which Allah has made sacred - " ... is that supposed to be a separate clause like that? Was it like that in the original Arabic? Because it could mean the difference between taking any life because all life has been made sacred, and taking those particular lives which Allah has specifically made sacred. It wouldn't at all surprise me if it was the second one, as Allah's pretty fucking free about killing non-believers in the rest of the koran, but does seem to dislike the killing of believers.

So, show me the context, or give me sura and verse so I can look it up myself.

 

[DBT]

DBT;
I asked you about this earlier but you had no verses that say or imply what you said.

And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners. Verse (8:30)

this verse saying god knows their plan in advance


and god says dont kill so god dont know that i will kill or not

That still doesn't support your claim that God doesn't know whether you will carry out your plan or not.

 

[DBT]

Translation: "KILL THE INFIDELS!"
(According to many)

yes, if he invade your country

The Quran goes further than that.

 

[Syed]

yes, if he invade your country

The Quran goes further than that.

how further?

 

[DBT]

The Quran goes further than that.

how further?

Much further.

 

[Syed]

how further?

Much further.

show me the evidence so we can debate

 

[Keith&Co.]

show me the evidence so we can debate

WHen the fuck have you ever debated, Syed?

YOu ignore evidence, misstate evidence, misquote people and insist everything you know makes sense to you, therefore it's true.

 

[ideologyhunter]

In addition to perceiving the priest/imam/prophet class as the engine of progress.

 

[DBT]

Much further.

show me the evidence so we can debate

Don't you remember the last time this matter came up?

 

[Keith&Co.]

show me the evidence so we can debate

Don't you remember the last time this matter came up?

That would require learning new information and retaining it for later development.

Not happenin'

 

[Syed]

show me the evidence so we can debate

Don't you remember the last time this matter came up?

no, just post a quranic verse which you thing tell to kill innocent people

 

[DBT]

Don't you remember the last time this matter came up?

no, just post a quranic verse which you thing tell to kill innocent people

Verses that instruct the faithful on how to deal with non believers, instructions that range from subjugation to killing of non believers.

This is not what I think or believe, but what the Quran itself says.

 

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

Much further.

show me the evidence so we can debate

Don't you remember the last time this matter came up?

no, just post a quranic verse which you thing tell to kill innocent people

Hey, Syed, remember this?

Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause

No, by context I mean what comes before and after that in the text, as you very well know. And this " - which Allah has made sacred - " ... is that supposed to be a separate clause like that? Was it like that in the original Arabic? Because it could mean the difference between taking any life because all life has been made sacred, and taking those particular lives which Allah has specifically made sacred. It wouldn't at all surprise me if it was the second one, as Allah's pretty fucking free about killing non-believers in the rest of the koran, but does seem to dislike the killing of believers.

So, show me the context, or give me sura and verse so I can look it up myself.

I mean, it was only a couple of days ago, so surely you haven't forgotten it already? But no, don't worry, I'm not actually expecting you to provide the references I requested, or any kind of proof, support, or evidence whatsoever to back up your assertions. I mean, you could do that, but if you did, you wouldn't be the same Syed, would you?

No, all I'm asking is that you refrain from asking people to provide evidence and support for their claims when you run and hide at the first mention of you backing up your assertions. Like, "golden rule" style, don't ask of others that which you're not prepared to do yourself, no?

So don't worry, I'm not asking you to go back to previous posts and actually provide evidence or support for bullshit claims you pull out of your arse. All I'm asking is that you "do unto others ..." and, if you're going to run and hide from the burden of proof, don't expect others to pony up when they don't provide the same kind of evidence right away. Deal?