GOP bill: remove almost all accountability of the police

[Loren Pechtel]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ke-it-virtually-impossible-to-sue-the-police/

Basically open season for the police to abuse criminals.

If they're guilty of any felony then they're limited to collecting actual damages. No lawyer fees. That would almost always mean the costs exceeded the potential recovery.

 

[bilby]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ke-it-virtually-impossible-to-sue-the-police/

Basically open season for the police to abuse criminals.

If they're guilty of any felony then they're limited to collecting actual damages. No lawyer fees. That would almost always mean the costs exceeded the potential recovery.

I disagree. I think that this is a bad idea. Not every person abused by police is going to turn out to be a criminal.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ke-it-virtually-impossible-to-sue-the-police/

Basically open season for the police to abuse criminals.

If they're guilty of any felony then they're limited to collecting actual damages. No lawyer fees. That would almost always mean the costs exceeded the potential recovery.

I disagree. I think that this is a bad idea. Not every person abused by police is going to turn out to be a criminal.

LP's point is that limitations for lawsuits applies to felons.

 

[bilby]

I disagree. I think that this is a bad idea. Not every person abused by police is going to turn out to be a criminal.

LP's point is that limitations for lawsuits applies to felons.

Based on his posting history, I presume that he is in favour of police abusing anyone they wish.

 

[Derec]

Based on his posting history, I presume that he is in favour of police abusing anyone they wish.

I would suggest you focus on what he actually wrote, not on your perceptions and recollections of his (or anybody else's) posting history.

 

[LordKiran]

Based on his posting history, I presume that he is in favour of police abusing anyone they wish.

I would suggest you focus on what he actually wrote, not on your perceptions and recollections of his (or anybody else's) posting history.

It also means attempted murder of an officer in self defense becomes a federal crime if I read this right.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

LP's point is that limitations for lawsuits applies to felons.

Based on his posting history, I presume that he is in favour of police abusing anyone they wish.

I'm not in favor of the police abusing anyone. It's just many things the left claims are abuse are not.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I would suggest you focus on what he actually wrote, not on your perceptions and recollections of his (or anybody else's) posting history.

It also means attempted murder of an officer in self defense becomes a federal crime if I read this right.

No, but it does allow filing federal charges over the death of the officer even if the state determines that it was self defense.

The cops really hate it when they pull one of their no-knock drug raids, someone doesn't realize it's the cops and comes out guns blazing and the state doesn't charge them because the conditions of self-defense were fulfilled. (Think about it from the viewpoint of the person being raided. The cops tend to time these things for when the people are asleep--when you are waken from sleep by a yelled word you will not understand the word. Thus there's a good chance the people inside are woken by a noise and then bang, the door is broken down and they don't have any indication it's the cops.)

 

[laughing dog]

The cops really hate it when they pull one of their no-knock drug raids, someone doesn't realize it's the cops and comes out guns blazing and the state doesn't charge them because the conditions of self-defense were fulfilled. (Think about it from the viewpoint of the person being raided. The cops tend to time these things for when the people are asleep--when you are waken from sleep by a yelled word you will not understand the word. Thus there's a good chance the people inside are woken by a noise and then bang, the door is broken down and they don't have any indication it's the cops.)

I find it fascinating that you can imagine what it is like for those people in those situations and show sympathy for their actions but are unable to imagine what it is like to be in a situation like Tamir Rice or the others who are shot dead by the police even though they pose no danger.

 

[LordKiran]

The cops really hate it when they pull one of their no-knock drug raids, someone doesn't realize it's the cops and comes out guns blazing and the state doesn't charge them because the conditions of self-defense were fulfilled. (Think about it from the viewpoint of the person being raided. The cops tend to time these things for when the people are asleep--when you are waken from sleep by a yelled word you will not understand the word. Thus there's a good chance the people inside are woken by a noise and then bang, the door is broken down and they don't have any indication it's the cops.)

I find it fascinating that you can imagine what it is like for those people in those situations and show sympathy for their actions but are unable to imagine what it is like to be in a situation like Tamir Rice or the others who are shot dead by the police even though they pose no danger.

Technically, being able to relate to someone else's experience is empathy, not sympathy.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The cops really hate it when they pull one of their no-knock drug raids, someone doesn't realize it's the cops and comes out guns blazing and the state doesn't charge them because the conditions of self-defense were fulfilled. (Think about it from the viewpoint of the person being raided. The cops tend to time these things for when the people are asleep--when you are waken from sleep by a yelled word you will not understand the word. Thus there's a good chance the people inside are woken by a noise and then bang, the door is broken down and they don't have any indication it's the cops.)

I find it fascinating that you can imagine what it is like for those people in those situations and show sympathy for their actions but are unable to imagine what it is like to be in a situation like Tamir Rice or the others who are shot dead by the police even though they pose no danger.

The problem is you can't separate sympathy from blame.

What happened to Tamir Rice was bad but that doesn't translate into the cops doing wrong.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Less accountability for cops ... and us libertarians are supposed to like the GOP because ...?

 

[LordKiran]

I find it fascinating that you can imagine what it is like for those people in those situations and show sympathy for their actions but are unable to imagine what it is like to be in a situation like Tamir Rice or the others who are shot dead by the police even though they pose no danger.

The problem is you can't separate sympathy from blame.

What happened to Tamir Rice was bad but that doesn't translate into the cops doing wrong.

I don't care about Sympathy. Sympathy is an emotional response to external stimuli. Empathy is different. My question is why can't you empathize with Tamir Rice or Tamir Rice's family?

 

[TV and credit cards]

Considering the further animosity that would likely be generated between law enforcement and no small portion of the civilian population, I see this as not only being detrimental to those who might find themselves on the unfortunate end of a confrontation with the law but to law enforcement in general.
From a monetary standpoint, it'd likely be a wash. What might be saved in payouts for lawsuits would be made up for in increased incarceration.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The problem is you can't separate sympathy from blame.

What happened to Tamir Rice was bad but that doesn't translate into the cops doing wrong.

I don't care about Sympathy. Sympathy is an emotional response to external stimuli. Empathy is different. My question is why can't you empathize with Tamir Rice or Tamir Rice's family?

Sympathy, empathy, doesn't change the issue.

You're trying to use it to show the cops did wrong.

 

[laughing dog]

I find it fascinating that you can imagine what it is like for those people in those situations and show sympathy for their actions but are unable to imagine what it is like to be in a situation like Tamir Rice or the others who are shot dead by the police even though they pose no danger.

The problem is you can't separate sympathy from blame.

No, the problem is that you cannot pull your head out of the ass of police authority.

What happened to Tamir Rice was bad but that doesn't translate into the cops doing wrong.

That is completely irrelevant to my post about your inability/unwillingness to relating to the situation of young boy surprised by a whizz bang attack by the police while relating to the situation of suspected drug dealer's being surprised with an invasion by the police.