US House stalls Senate Russian Sanctions bill

[Jimmy Higgins]

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[FONT=&quot]On Tuesday Ryan fell back on a constitutional technicality to stall the measure. The bill, which significantly ratchets up sanctions on both Russia and Iran, violates the origination clause of the Constitution, he argued, referring to the requirement that any bill raising revenue originate in the House.

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Speaker of the House Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) faced a deeply unappetizing political calculus this week after the Senate passed by an overwhelming margin an aggressive sanctions bill targeting Russia.If Ryan brought the bill to the floor, it would likely pass, because it had enough Iran-related measures to ensure Republican support, and no one wants to look weak on Russia right now. If he referred it one of several committees with jurisdiction on the issue, the bill will might die a death by a thousand cuts. Or, Ryan could introduce his own measure, creating a split with the Senate and more differences to be resolved.

The Republicans are stalling a bill to codify sanctions by the previous Administration over interference in the US election by Russia. Today, we heard that 21 states were targeted by Russia during the never ending election fuckfest.

So, what is the basis for stalling the bill, which would likely pass, by the way? Revenue generating bills must originate in the House. This bill is a sanctions bill, of which it's purpose is not to make money. Seriously, what the fuck is going on in DC?!

 

[dismal]

ZMFOG Haxx!!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

ZMFOG Haxx!!

Thanks Wagstaff.

 

[blastula]

ZMFOG Haxx!!

Trump Apologism Syndrome.

 

[whichphilosophy]

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Speaker of the House Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) faced a deeply unappetizing political calculus this week after the Senate passed by an overwhelming margin an aggressive sanctions bill targeting Russia.If Ryan brought the bill to the floor, it would likely pass, because it had enough Iran-related measures to ensure Republican support, and no one wants to look weak on Russia right now. If he referred it one of several committees with jurisdiction on the issue, the bill will might die a death by a thousand cuts. Or, Ryan could introduce his own measure, creating a split with the Senate and more differences to be resolved.

The Republicans are stalling a bill to codify sanctions by the previous Administration over interference in the US election by Russia. Today, we heard that 21 states were targeted by Russia during the never ending election fuckfest.

So, what is the basis for stalling the bill, which would likely pass, by the way? Revenue generating bills must originate in the House. This bill is a sanctions bill, of which it's purpose is not to make money. Seriously, what the fuck is going on in DC?!

After all imposing sanctions on the basis of unproven allegations is a sublime to asinine logic.

 

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The Republicans are stalling a bill to codify sanctions by the previous Administration over interference in the US election by Russia. Today, we heard that 21 states were targeted by Russia during the never ending election fuckfest.

So, what is the basis for stalling the bill, which would likely pass, by the way? Revenue generating bills must originate in the House. This bill is a sanctions bill, of which it's purpose is not to make money. Seriously, what the fuck is going on in DC?!

After all imposing sanctions on the basis of unproven allegations is a sublime to asinine logic.

Think about that even from your own point of view (admittedly asinine)

There are 535 members of congress. These fucks rarely agree on much.

There are hundreds more involving the various intelligence services that investigated the Russian intrusion. Today, even Jeh Johnson, former Chief of Homeland Security said the intelligence he saw showed that Moscow was responsible "beyond a reasonable doubt."

So this roughly (at least) thousand people are going to pretend that Russian did something that they did not do, which goes AGAINST the current President, and pisses off a WHOLE LOT of very wealthy fucks that are really anxious to get back to making deals with Russia for LOTS of money once again. For what? This is an L Ron Hubbard anagram left over inside your head isn't it?

 

[whichphilosophy]

After all imposing sanctions on the basis of unproven allegations is a sublime to asinine logic.

Think about that even from your own point of view (admittedly asinine)

There are 535 members of congress. These fucks rarely agree on much.

There are hundreds more involving the various intelligence services that investigated the Russian intrusion. Today, even Jeh Johnson, former Chief of Homeland Security said the intelligence he saw showed that Moscow was responsible "beyond a reasonable doubt."

So this roughly (at least) thousand people are going to pretend that Russian did something that they did not do, which goes AGAINST the current President, and pisses off a WHOLE LOT of very wealthy fucks that are really anxious to get back to making deals with Russia for LOTS of money once again. For what? This is an L Ron Hubbard anagram left over inside your head isn't it?

I will try to make sense of your garbled points.

April 2017 Trade with Russia

Exports 687,000,000
Imports 1,347,000,000

The figures for the past few years are here. Despite all the fanfare in the Senate and media over the past few years, trade with Russia remains phenomenal.

See for further figures?

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4621.html#2016

The US purchased far more from Russia than it sells to it.

I quite agree with the caption except that an opinion is dressed up as truth by the media. What's Hubbard got to do with this? He's been deceased for a number of years.

There is no way to make an evidence-based assessment of Russia meddling in the US elections or that there was collusion as the investigation is not complete.

So if sanctions are decided, there is no basis other than opinion, hunches and reading tea leaves.

To confuse it even more, Galloway makes the case that Britain interfered in the US elections. Galloway is left wing by the way. He's always entertaining and compares it to a famous forgery called the Zinoviev Letter. This somewhat agrees with some of the points I made.

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[barbos]

There are 535 members of congress. These fucks rarely agree on much

Yeah, these fucks agreed that republicans will get what they want - reverse Obama's Iran policy and democrats will get what they want - to blame Russia for their fuckup during elections.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

There are 535 members of congress. These fucks rarely agree on much

Yeah, these fucks agreed that republicans will get what they want - reverse Obama's Iran policy and democrats will get what they want - to blame Russia for their fuckup during elections.

Known signs of Trump and Russian issues were captured in the Spring of 2016. Email cracking occurred well before the election as well. So your tired butthurt argument oddly enough suffers from butthurt of its own.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

April 2017 Trade with Russia

Exports 687,000,000
Imports 1,347,000,000

Fuck that trade. We have better partners elsewhere.

 

[barbos]

Yeah, these fucks agreed that republicans will get what they want - reverse Obama's Iran policy and democrats will get what they want - to blame Russia for their fuckup during elections.

Known signs of Trump and Russian issues were captured in the Spring of 2016. Email cracking occurred well before the election as well. So your tired butthurt argument oddly enough suffers from butthurt of its own.

Yes, Hillary's whole foreign policy has always been "Russia is bad"

 

[Elixir]

Known signs of Trump and Russian issues were captured in the Spring of 2016. Email cracking occurred well before the election as well. So your tired butthurt argument oddly enough suffers from butthurt of its own.

Yes, Hillary's whole foreign policy has always been "Russia is bad"

Looks like she's right - we (probably) have Russia to thank for the orange plague that has been visited upon us.

 

[barbos]

April 2017 Trade with Russia

Exports 687,000,000
Imports 1,347,000,000

Fuck that trade. We have better partners elsewhere.

I think Russia has half of the global market of titanium parts for Boeings and Airbuses.
But in general Russia-US trade is negligible compared to Russia-EU, that's why EU (rightfully) suspects US trying to get EU market share from Russia.

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Yes, Hillary's whole foreign policy has always been "Russia is bad"

Looks like she's right - we (probably) have Russia to thank for the orange plague that has been visited upon us.

Well, she certainly says that. Whether she is right is a different question.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Fuck that trade. We have better partners elsewhere.

But in general Russia-US trade is negligible compared to Russia-EU, that's why EU (rightfully) suspects US trying to get EU market share from Russia.

Where do you get your media? Putin News Daily?!

 

[barbos]

But in general Russia-US trade is negligible compared to Russia-EU, that's why EU (rightfully) suspects US trying to get EU market share from Russia.

Where do you get your media? Putin News Daily?!

What exactly are you trying to dispute here?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Where do you get your media? Putin News Daily?!

What exactly are you trying to dispute here?

That the "EU suspects" much of anything regarding trade motives of the US. You stated EU, not scattered politicians here and there. Feel free to show "the EU" feels the US is using lies to push into EU-Russian trade.

 

[barbos]

What exactly are you trying to dispute here?

That the "EU suspects" much of anything regarding trade motives of the US. You stated EU, not scattered politicians here and there. Feel free to show "the EU" feels the US is using lies to push into EU-Russian trade.

Obviously I am not getting it from C-SPAN.
http://www.politico.eu/article/germany-and-austria-warn-u-s-over-expanded-russia-sanctions/
http://www.dw.com/en/germanys-angela-merkel-slams-planned-us-sanctions-on-russia/a-39276878
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/germany-austria-slam-us-sanctions-russia-48054975
http://nypost.com/2017/06/16/germany-troubled-over-peculiar-new-us-sanctions-on-russia/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40299760

"To threaten companies in Germany, Austria and other European firms with fines in the US if they take part in or finance energy projects like Nord Stream 2 represents a new and negative dimension to US-European relations," they added.

They said the sanctions were clearly about US liquefied natural gas exports, US jobs and squeezing Russia out of the European market.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That the "EU suspects" much of anything regarding trade motives of the US. You stated EU, not scattered politicians here and there. Feel free to show "the EU" feels the US is using lies to push into EU-Russian trade.

Obviously I am not getting it from C-SPAN.
http://www.politico.eu/article/germany-and-austria-warn-u-s-over-expanded-russia-sanctions/
http://www.dw.com/en/germanys-angela-merkel-slams-planned-us-sanctions-on-russia/a-39276878
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/germany-austria-slam-us-sanctions-russia-48054975
http://nypost.com/2017/06/16/germany-troubled-over-peculiar-new-us-sanctions-on-russia/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40299760

"To threaten companies in Germany, Austria and other European firms with fines in the US if they take part in or finance energy projects like Nord Stream 2 represents a new and negative dimension to US-European relations," they added.

They said the sanctions were clearly about US liquefied natural gas exports, US jobs and squeezing Russia out of the European market.

You said the EU.

 

[barbos]

Obviously I am not getting it from C-SPAN.
http://www.politico.eu/article/germany-and-austria-warn-u-s-over-expanded-russia-sanctions/
http://www.dw.com/en/germanys-angela-merkel-slams-planned-us-sanctions-on-russia/a-39276878
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/germany-austria-slam-us-sanctions-russia-48054975
http://nypost.com/2017/06/16/germany-troubled-over-peculiar-new-us-sanctions-on-russia/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40299760

"To threaten companies in Germany, Austria and other European firms with fines in the US if they take part in or finance energy projects like Nord Stream 2 represents a new and negative dimension to US-European relations," they added.

They said the sanctions were clearly about US liquefied natural gas exports, US jobs and squeezing Russia out of the European market.

You said the EU.

And provided the links.
If fuckers in congress were genuinely about principles they would first ban US trade with Russia, not EU trade with Russia. In reality US-Russia trade have grown since these "sanctions" were placed. So give me a fucking break.

 

[barbos]

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-06-16/u-s-russia-sanctions-punish-europe-too

That's what worries European leaders. Gas production in the northwest of Europe is falling rapidly, and while the U.S. is ramping up its liquefied natural gas (LNG) export capacity, it's not clear whether the price of U.S. gas can remain competitive with that of the Russian pipeline gas, supplied by state-controlled Gazprom. At this point, large-scale U.S. LNG exports to Europe appear to be a money-losing enterprise aimed at gaining market share. But if those exports are buoyed by U.S. sanctions against Gazprom's pipeline projects, northern and central Europe may become hostages to U.S. suppliers at some point.

For these who are too lazy to read.

And more:

In a sharply worded joint statement issued Thursday, German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel and Austrian Chancellor Christian Kern said they couldn't "accept the threat of illegal extraterritorial sanctions being imposed on European companies that are participating in efforts to expand Europe's energy supply network." Europe's energy supply is a European affair, not an American one, they wrote. Gabriel and Kern also warned the U.S. against expanding sanctions without consulting European partners

Translation: "US Congress, go fuck yourself, and you US frackers, who bought congress votes, go fuck yourself too"