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Trump pretty much made a single attempt at harmony at his speech in Cleveland during the RNC Trump Con in 2016. Inclusion of LGBTQ... are there more letters now?

Well, Trump just tweeted that Transgender people will not be allowed to serve in the military. Seems a bit odd, seeing that the military is having a hard enough time to deal with enlistment as it is, and are there seriously that many transgender people rushing to enlist?

But Trump against carves into stone that his personal Twitter account is Presidential material, so everything he twits is Presidential record. That'll be nice for the lawsuits.
 
He had a setback in the Senate so he does something he can control, typical tantrum. I don't know how binding it could be.

The gap in the tweets lead to some funny responses.

What was on Fox News this morning?
 
The military's a funny place. Some people try to use it to advance social issues, some try to make it drag well behind society as some sort of preserve...

My dad served in a segregated military.

I've served with blacks, women, immigrants, gays, Academy officers, and other people whose issues were, according to some people, incredibly problematic for the troops.

I can't really recall idiocy being isolated to, or completely isolated from, any particular grouping. Except the idiots. The idiots were all idiots. Didn't matter their heritage, ethnicity, religion, state of origin, gender, gender preference, level of education, location of education... There were just individuals you couldn't trust with heavy machinery or story problems and you adjusted to the fact.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Trump pretty much made a single attempt at harmony at his speech in Cleveland during the RNC Trump Con in 2016. Inclusion of LGBTQ... are there more letters now?

Well, Trump just tweeted that Transgender people will not be allowed to serve in the military. Seems a bit odd, seeing that the military is having a hard enough time to deal with enlistment as it is, and are there seriously that many transgender people rushing to enlist?

But Trump against carves into stone that his personal Twitter account is Presidential material, so everything he twits is Presidential record. That'll be nice for the lawsuits.
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Keeping trans people out of the military makes a certain kind of sense if they're pre-op. Pre-op trans people (And even post op ones to an extent) have some specific medical requirements that may be hard to meet when in field. That said there are plenty of non combat and domestic roles so I'm not sure why this is an issue.
 
Video that pissed off folks in spoiler box. But it shows the long term follow up needed for transgender surgery.




Think about this in a foxhole.
 
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Trump's wrong to say trans service members would be disruptive. Pregnant service members are somewhat disruptive in the wrong place at the wrong time. Trans wouldn't be disruptive beyond having to deal with the few select insulting idiots that get put on report. And on this note, the military is a good place to advance social issues in that the current accepted population can be ordered to integrate.
 
tactically, my guess is that this is what Pence (despite the fact his teams has walled itself off from Trump's to avoid entanglement in the money laundering fallout) has somehow convinced Trump to do now. Do it now so that Pence doesn't have to do it when he is President within a year. I give it a 50-50 chance he will be President within a year.

All the radical stuff Pence and co want they will try to ram through with Trump now.

Dems needs to wake up and reorganize in a more sensible way. Focus on economic stuff first and foremost.
 
LordKiran said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Trump pretty much made a single attempt at harmony at his speech in Cleveland during the RNC Trump Con in 2016. Inclusion of LGBTQ... are there more letters now?

Well, Trump just tweeted that Transgender people will not be allowed to serve in the military. Seems a bit odd, seeing that the military is having a hard enough time to deal with enlistment as it is, and are there seriously that many transgender people rushing to enlist?

But Trump against carves into stone that his personal Twitter account is Presidential material, so everything he twits is Presidential record. That'll be nice for the lawsuits.
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Keeping trans people out of the military makes a certain kind of sense if they're pre-op. Pre-op trans people (And even post op ones to an extent) have some specific medical requirements that may be hard to meet when in field. That said there are plenty of non combat and domestic roles so I'm not sure why this is an issue.
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You are confusing transgender with transsexual.
Gender is the roles we play. Sexual is the biological bit.
 
Juma said:
LordKiran said:
Keeping trans people out of the military makes a certain kind of sense if they're pre-op. Pre-op trans people (And even post op ones to an extent) have some specific medical requirements that may be hard to meet when in field. That said there are plenty of non combat and domestic roles so I'm not sure why this is an issue.
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You are confusing transgender with transsexual.
Gender is the roles we play. Sexual is the biological bit.
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As far as I am concerned, Transgender and Transexual people are one in the same. People claim transgenderism on the basis of identifying as the opposite sex, NOT on the basis of being a masculine woman or an effeminate man. I mean if the latter were true, that'd render the term utterly meaningless since what we consider masculine and feminine are a matter of perspective.
 
repoman said:
He had a setback in the Senate so he does something he can control, typical tantrum. I don't know how binding it could be.

The gap in the tweets lead to some funny responses.

What was on Fox News this morning?
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What do you mean you don't know how binding it can be? The Commander in Chief of the US military just set an official policy for the US military. That's fairly binding.

There are lots of questions about implementation, such as whether or not current trans soldiers are immediately discharged, whether or not the JAG office investigates reports of potential transgenderism in the ranks, etc. The fact that there are these questions means that Trump probably should have informed somebody at the Pentagon about this new official policy as opposed to their hearing about it from reporters asking them about it, but that doesn't make it less of a policy now.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
What do you mean you don't know how binding it can be? The Commander in Chief of the US military just set an official policy for the US military. That's fairly binding.
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Binding, yes, but fortunately, the Assistant Director of Transgender Policy This Week is a position for which Trump has not appointed anyone, so no one can carry this out.
 
Keith&Co. said:
Tom Sawyer said:
What do you mean you don't know how binding it can be? The Commander in Chief of the US military just set an official policy for the US military. That's fairly binding.
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Binding, yes, but fortunately, the Assistant Director of Transgender Policy This Week is a position for which Trump has not appointed anyone, so no one can carry this out.
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In theory they could stop enlisting transgender, but what are they going to do, discharge transgenders?
 
LordKiran said:
Juma said:
You are confusing transgender with transsexual.
Gender is the roles we play. Sexual is the biological bit.
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As far as I am concerned, Transgender and Transexual people are one in the same. People claim transgenderism on the basis of identifying as the opposite sex, NOT on the basis of being a masculine woman or an effeminate man. I mean if the latter were true, that'd render the term utterly meaningless since what we consider masculine and feminine are a matter of perspective.
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Then you are truly clueless. Read up on what the terms mean instead of making a fool of yourself.
 
Randi Rhodes was just saying a bunch of repub congress critters threatened to hold up funding for the Mexico wall if Trump didn't do something about the trans "problem" in the military. So the trannys have to go. Wutta deal maker.
 
The Military.com article on this policy change really brought out the opinions.

I was struck by the guy insisting that 'the military needs STEERS not QUEERS!'

Kind of odd, since steers are castrated... Sounds like a lotta bull to me.
 
So, Trump can ban transgender people from the military because their is currently no law about this now?

Are blacks, latinos, asians, muslims and so on in the military explicity because of a law?

I know this is a silly example, but if Trump said "no muslims" or "no blacks" or "no women", despite the insanity and the much larger number of people affected and most importantly the cultural zeitgeist being way past it for those groups, how is that legally different from banning trans?

On general principle and constitutional law, should it be congress or the president or the courts who decides who can be in or excluded from the military?

Truman integrated the military, but Eisenhower kicked gays out the State Department. So double edged sword this presidential power.
 
Keith&Co. said:
Tom Sawyer said:
What do you mean you don't know how binding it can be? The Commander in Chief of the US military just set an official policy for the US military. That's fairly binding.
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Binding, yes, but fortunately, the Assistant Director of Transgender Policy This Week is a position for which Trump has not appointed anyone, so no one can carry this out.
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Moreover, the AMA passed a resolution in 2015 that there is no medical reason transgender people cannot serve in the military. From a legal standpoint, what basis could the military enforce that fucking asshole's verbal vomit even if they wanted to?
 
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