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Headline of the Year so far

The iPhone X proves the Unabomber was right

Wonder how soon until it gets retracted.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-perspec-iphone-x-unabomber-technology-20170913-story,amp.html

I like the article, makes some good points.

This OP is sorely lacking, but I must give you credit for linking to an actual article instead of an hour+ YouTube video as per usual.

Let me show you how the OP might have gone better by clueing other users into what this thread is really about without forcing them to click on an external site which may be blocked to them.

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TERRORIST and Neo-Ludite, Ted Kaczynski, (AKA the Unibomber) was RIGHT when he predicted our growing dependence on ever increasingly complex technology and devices. This Chicago Tribune article explains his predictions and how they have been proven true.

How do you feel about his predictions and our dependence on tchnology?
 
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How do you feel about his predictions and our dependence on tchnology?
May I further suggest a distinction between his predictions about technology from his conclusion that bombings and maimings were the way to spread his message? The article quickly goes to say they weren't saying that he was right to hurt people. Just to make sure the thread doesn't derail into arguments over mailed bombs.

And, really, does the release of a new piece of technology prove the Unibomber was right? I mean, this COULD be a flop. Maybe there's a problem with the chip and it'll fail in the market, or it won't prove to be worth the price.

What would prove the Unibomber correct in his predictions would be a report on how people were more stressed by the loss of wifi than by the damage inflicted by Harvey or Irma. Or if the loss of internet hampered the rebuilding. Or how a virus in the system in LA led to savagery, human sacrifice, cannibalism, and a return to leaded gasoline.

I mean, we're dependent on technology, sure. But Kazynski isn't prove right unless that's actually shown to be a problem.
 
How do you feel about his predictions and our dependence on tchnology?
May I further suggest a distinction between his predictions about technology from his conclusion that bombings and maimings were the way to spread his message? The article quickly goes to say they weren't saying that he was right to hurt people. Just to make sure the thread doesn't derail into arguments over mailed bombs.

And, really, does the release of a new piece of technology prove the Unibomber was right? I mean, this COULD be a flop. Maybe there's a problem with the chip and it'll fail in the market, or it won't prove to be worth the price.

What would prove the Unibomber correct in his predictions would be a report on how people were more stressed by the loss of wifi than by the damage inflicted by Harvey or Irma. Or if the loss of internet hampered the rebuilding. Or how a virus in the system in LA led to savagery, human sacrifice, cannibalism, and a return to leaded gasoline.

I mean, we're dependent on technology, sure. But Kazynski isn't prove right unless that's actually shown to be a problem.

It's a problem to me.

Here's a more exhaustive list of predictive pieces of literature and film:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/0...-future-imagine-a-boot-stamping-on-your-face/
 
Technology is completely neutral.

It is how and what humans use it for that matters.

We decide everything.

Not our gadgets.
 
May I further suggest a distinction between his predictions about technology from his conclusion that bombings and maimings were the way to spread his message?
You may, but that fact that your first association when mentioning the Unabomber are the bombings and not his criticism of technological society is why the headline was written as it was. It's purpose was to grab attention. Kind of like writing a headline "Study proves Hitler was right all along" when it was about Hitler's vegetarianism and not wars of aggression and genocide.

The article quickly goes to say they weren't saying that he was right to hurt people.
But by that time you already started reading the piece. So, headline mission accomplished.

And, really, does the release of a new piece of technology prove the Unibomber was right? I mean, this COULD be a flop. Maybe there's a problem with the chip and it'll fail in the market, or it won't prove to be worth the price.
The argument was not so much about the model, but the technology it brings. When ABS was first introduced, it was only available on the first gen Mercedes S-class. Now, they are standard even on cheap cars. If the innovations iPhone X brings are worthwhile, they will trickle down to mainstream models However, none of the things mentioned in the article are unique to X. Wireless charging has been around for years. Facial recognition too, but current systems are not that reliable. Thus, if X's facial recognition works well, it could be something.
Also, it's Unabomber.
What would prove the Unibomber correct in his predictions would be a report on how people were more stressed by the loss of wifi than by the damage inflicted by Harvey or Irma.
When they lost power due to Irma, I helped my dad set up the generator and run cables (he doesn't have central hookup). One of the first things I did was connect the router to see if the Internet was still on. It was, for a while.

I mean, we're dependent on technology, sure. But Kazynski isn't prove right unless that's actually shown to be a problem.

There is one point he makes about technology becoming no longer optional. One possible/probable future example would be self-driving cars. What happens when they cover 99% of the market? Will human drivers be outlawed or will insurance companies just make it impossible to afford? Or maybe roads will become too much for human drivers if traffic becomes too reliant on car-to-road and car-to-car communication.
But in general, I think the author is making too much of it. With smart phones, you have a choice to turn it off of put it on silent. With cars, they do not necessarily lead to having to use them always. Sure, US suburbia and exurbia is set up that way, but in Germany they love cars too, and still they have dense walkable and bikable towns and cities and solid public transit. And in the US there is a shift toward more dense urban development without cars getting villified. So a lot has to do how technological development is incorporated into larger society.
And that argument by Harari that the neolithic revoltion was a mistake reminds me of HHGTTG.
Douglas Adams said:
Many were increasingly of the opinion that they’d all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place. And some said that even the trees had been a bad move, and that no one should ever have left the oceans.
Hunter-gatherers spent their time in stimulating and varied ways? What can they do other than fuck and fight? Stimulating, sure, but varied? And nothing beats dying at 20 because you ct yourself while out hunting and got an infection.
 
Except I wasn't talking about how I'd have written the article or the headline, but how to get information across in the OP about what the link was actually talking about...

The argument was not so much about the model, but the technology it brings.
The posted argument was that THIS MODEL PROVES the Unabomber's point. To show that more technology becomes burdeonsome more than helpful.

It hasn't had a chance to do that, yet.

Now, if the article was more along the lines of the author seeing the phone, which causes him to reflect on Teddy's manifesto, then the iPhone is merely symbolic and it doesn't matter if the tech is new or not, or even if it stands up to the hype.
 
Technology is completely neutral.

It is how and what humans use it for that matters.

We decide everything.

Not our gadgets.

The point he was making in his manifesto is that when society deems these technologies a "necessary piece of their day to day lives", those that choose to reject the technology suffer from its proliferation. I agree, but do not see it as a problem that needs fixing... choices have consequences, and "not playing along" with changes to how people interact or the tools they use to do so should be an expected consequence of the rejection.

I have an example from my own personal life... I reject all Social Media... I do not participate... I do not have ANY social media accounts. This forum and a few others are the closest thing to that which I participate in.

Banksy said it best.. Those that strive to place every detail of their lives in public view on Social Media forget that Invisibility is a Superpower

I accept the challenges that presents me with. Several problems have arisen as a result of my lack of participation... release of information about me from others that I cannot control (my engagement announcement was ruined by my brother-in-law - a Facebook addict that reflexively must be first to post any piece of information he finds immediately... just one example out of dozens... My wife and I missed an important family gathering because they forgot we were not part of the Facebook group for the invites.... and all of my news is from sources I can trust, so I lack the insight into the propaganda spreading amongst the sheep... which catches me by surprise when I find myself in an argument with my "I don't believe in facts" Father-in-law.
 
Except I wasn't talking about how I'd have written the article or the headline, but how to get information across in the OP about what the link was actually talking about...

The argument was not so much about the model, but the technology it brings.
The posted argument was that THIS MODEL PROVES the Unabomber's point. To show that more technology becomes burdeonsome more than helpful.

It hasn't had a chance to do that, yet.

Now, if the article was more along the lines of the author seeing the phone, which causes him to reflect on Teddy's manifesto, then the iPhone is merely symbolic and it doesn't matter if the tech is new or not, or even if it stands up to the hype.

Good point. Exactly how much of a burden is it as compared to how helpful to be reachable at all times as opposed to not reachable? If you're on vacation, you can ignore calls from the office and pick up calls from your family without much issue. Given that the sum total of human knowledge is now at your fingertips at all times, the potential downsides seem quite trivial next to the potential upsides.
 
Technology is completely neutral.

It is how and what humans use it for that matters.

We decide everything.

Not our gadgets.

The point he was making in his manifesto is that when society deems these technologies a "necessary piece of their day to day lives", those that choose to reject the technology suffer from its proliferation. I agree, but do not see it as a problem that needs fixing... choices have consequences, and "not playing along" with changes to how people interact or the tools they use to do so should be an expected consequence of the rejection.

I have an example from my own personal life... I reject all Social Media... I do not participate... I do not have ANY social media accounts. This forum and a few others are the closest thing to that which I participate in.

Banksy said it best.. Those that strive to place every detail of their lives in public view on Social Media forget that Invisibility is a Superpower

I accept the challenges that presents me with. Several problems have arisen as a result of my lack of participation... release of information about me from others that I cannot control (my engagement announcement was ruined by my brother-in-law - a Facebook addict that reflexively must be first to post any piece of information he finds immediately... just one example out of dozens... My wife and I missed an important family gathering because they forgot we were not part of the Facebook group for the invites.... and all of my news is from sources I can trust, so I lack the insight into the propaganda spreading amongst the sheep... which catches me by surprise when I find myself in an argument with my "I don't believe in facts" Father-in-law.

Technology did not ruin your engagement announcement.
 
The point he was making in his manifesto is that when society deems these technologies a "necessary piece of their day to day lives", those that choose to reject the technology suffer from its proliferation. I agree, but do not see it as a problem that needs fixing... choices have consequences, and "not playing along" with changes to how people interact or the tools they use to do so should be an expected consequence of the rejection.

I have an example from my own personal life... I reject all Social Media... I do not participate... I do not have ANY social media accounts. This forum and a few others are the closest thing to that which I participate in.

Banksy said it best.. Those that strive to place every detail of their lives in public view on Social Media forget that Invisibility is a Superpower

I accept the challenges that presents me with. Several problems have arisen as a result of my lack of participation... release of information about me from others that I cannot control (my engagement announcement was ruined by my brother-in-law - a Facebook addict that reflexively must be first to post any piece of information he finds immediately... just one example out of dozens... My wife and I missed an important family gathering because they forgot we were not part of the Facebook group for the invites.... and all of my news is from sources I can trust, so I lack the insight into the propaganda spreading amongst the sheep... which catches me by surprise when I find myself in an argument with my "I don't believe in facts" Father-in-law.

Technology did not ruin your engagement announcement.

Correct. That was my point. While I understand the sentiment of the nutjob, and have experienced the effects he expressed, I don't subscribe to the proposition that technology is "bad".
 
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