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Then there is this:
Guns make noise. And no one noticed hearing him shooting himself?article said:
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That's a normal communication breakdown. It would depend on who knew what when and what the direction were. But they arrive to the room where is is at and do nothing. How would they know he didn't escape and go somehwhere else if they didn't try and go in?
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I wouldn't consider it normal. There have been 200ish shots fired at one of their guards. That hotel has to have security protocols. And once Police arrive (just two officers), someone has to tell them something, unless they toss some rent-a-cop to the front door and he knows nothing.
But a gun shooting a bullet makes noise. And no one heard him shoot himself?
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But it would depend on other things on what was communicated. The probably said that we had a guard shot up on X floor and it may have been 31 or 32. When the cops were coming in it was the middle of the shooting so they weren't going to wait for every detail.
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I can think of a few scenarios that might account for the time lag.
If the security guard was wearing a bullet proof vest, it is possible that one or more rounds hit the vest, incapacitating the guard for several minutes. I would think it likely that this would have been reported, however, so I don't see this as the most likely scenario.
More likely for me is that the security guard's radio was damaged in the initial volley fired by the gunman, either from a direct hit by a bullet, or by the guard falling down and breaking it after being shot. Having been shot in the leg, it may have taken some time for the guard to drag himself down the hallway to either the elevator or stairwell.
Another possibility is that he had the radio in hand while checking the floor, and dropped it when he was shot, dragged himself away from that position, but was reluctant to return where the radio was dropped, given that fact that there was a madman with a fully automatic weapon there. Along with this scenario, and possibly the above scenario where the radio was damaged, I don't find it likely that the 200 rounds were fired in a single burst. While I think there may be 200 round drum magazines available for assault rifles, magazines holding 50 or less rounds are far more common. The gunman likely had to reload, or change weapons in order to fire all 200 rounds. Even given a 200 round drum, no one experienced with automatic weapons is likely to fire that many rounds in a single burst without the weapon attached to a stable firing platform. I think it is far more likely that the guard had multiple bursts fired in his direction, encouraging him to play dead for a few minutes, or at least stay put in a relatively safe location until the gunman was no longer focusing attention on him.
If the security guard was wearing a bullet proof vest, it is possible that one or more rounds hit the vest, incapacitating the guard for several minutes. I would think it likely that this would have been reported, however, so I don't see this as the most likely scenario.
More likely for me is that the security guard's radio was damaged in the initial volley fired by the gunman, either from a direct hit by a bullet, or by the guard falling down and breaking it after being shot. Having been shot in the leg, it may have taken some time for the guard to drag himself down the hallway to either the elevator or stairwell.
Another possibility is that he had the radio in hand while checking the floor, and dropped it when he was shot, dragged himself away from that position, but was reluctant to return where the radio was dropped, given that fact that there was a madman with a fully automatic weapon there. Along with this scenario, and possibly the above scenario where the radio was damaged, I don't find it likely that the 200 rounds were fired in a single burst. While I think there may be 200 round drum magazines available for assault rifles, magazines holding 50 or less rounds are far more common. The gunman likely had to reload, or change weapons in order to fire all 200 rounds. Even given a 200 round drum, no one experienced with automatic weapons is likely to fire that many rounds in a single burst without the weapon attached to a stable firing platform. I think it is far more likely that the guard had multiple bursts fired in his direction, encouraging him to play dead for a few minutes, or at least stay put in a relatively safe location until the gunman was no longer focusing attention on him.
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The detail isn't the floor... it was the officers didn't know there was a shot guard.
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One of the problems is the article and not always getting the detail we need. So he calls down to the front desk and says he got shot. The front desk calls their own armed security guards and all of the get to the 32nd floor and talk to him. Who told what and when. The article could have easily missed what you needed.
Fired through the door based on a hidden camera isn't going to be very accurate. Bump fire isn't accurate to begin with.
And you're assuming the guard was capable of calling it in and willing to do so. (He very well might have been trying to slip away quietly instead, and that's even assuming he could call it in--he might have lost his means of communication. If his radio was in hand when he was fired upon he likely dropped it getting out of the way.)
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The guy wasn't shooting at that point. Assaulting the room would have been extremely dangerous, no reason to rush matters since it had changed from an active shooter situation to a barricade situation.
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The report I heard said the guard heard drilling coming from the shooter's room and went to investigate.
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First time I've heard that.
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What exactly is the issue?
Some huge corporation considered things besides human lives and safety?
Some huge corporation considered things besides human lives and safety?
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Maybe, but not sure how you figure that. The first cops showed up and were one floor below the shooting 15 minutes after the guard was shot. Mandalay Bay is huge. Not sure where the cops were and came. I think at most it would be delayed by 5 minutes.
I thought the shocker was the hour they took to go in. How did they know he wasn't reloading or waiting for guns to cool before he started shooting again?
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I mean delay calling about the security guard being shot. It seems like either he didn't tell anybody or the hotel didn't tell anybody.
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I'm skeptical of the 200 rounds through the door. Spraying 200 rounds is not easy using magazines rather than a belt fed machine gun. Magazine capacity is usually 20 or thirty rounds, which have to be changed. Plus high velocity rounds heat the barrel very quickly, too hot to touch with 30 rounds fired in quick succession. 200 rounds in a short time would turn the barrel red hot and ruined.
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NBC just announcing it has exclusive audio of the internal security of the Mandalay Bay resort. They'are discussing other issues on MSNBC but will get to the story in a few.
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