Do theists sort of think that belieiving in god makes god real?

[ruby sparks]

I'm saying if others were able to avoid it then by what ever means they did, should somehow be known or applied to everyone. I'm just going on the little I know of that particular topic.

Ok so let's say some accidentally got it through feeding their babies infected water, perhaps in the days before people knew any better, for instance.

I like the phrase, 'somehow be known'. Do you reckon god knew?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Tsunami's I would think is accepted and acknowledged as part of the eco-system for both religious and non-religious.

So, you've never seen people grabbing headlines, pointing to natural disasters, claiming that they're God's punishment for (fill in the blank: abortion, homosexuality, immigration, transsexuals, evolution, etc.)?

You really need to get out more.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Why would you have to see that?

So he can see if there's any way to absolve God of any wrongdoing by blaming the victims.

 

[ruby sparks]

Why would you have to see that?

So he can see if there's any way to absolve God of any wrongdoing by blaming the victims.

Not my guess. It's either going to be just one of those unfortunate things that happens that is nobody's fault, or just one of those things that god can't stop happening without there being even worse consequences, or there's some other good reason for it that we don't know.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Why would you have to see that?

So he can see if there's any way to absolve God of any wrongdoing by blaming the victims.

Not my guess.

Well, that's what he's BEEN doing. Cancer comes from diet and exposure to carcinogens. Any evil from tsunamis comes from people not being prepared to evacuate... if he can find that the victims should have known better, then it's on them.

 

[abaddon]

Learner,

The problem of evil is an indictment of God, and God only. There's something missing in him if evil happens to any sentient being in any circumstance at all. He's either not all-powerful or not all-good or not all-knowing. And if he's not those three things together then what kind of god is he?

To answer without being evasive, you cannot say anything that turns it into a question of human behavior.

 

[Hermit]

The issue of evil for me is.... "who is willing not to do evil with their "free will?" generallly speaking.

How does that work for tsunamis, or cancer? Or for the parasitic worm Onchocerca volvulus, which causes river blindness, and which only has human hosts?

Tsunami's I would think is accepted and acknowledged as part of the eco-system for both religious and non-religious. Then again there is concern that climate-change influenced by man maybe causing current tsunami's more frequently IIRC .

Being accepted and acknowledged as part of the eco-system makes tsunamis no less evil, and you do recall incorrectly. Tsunamis are the result of earthquakes. Earthquakes are not the result of any human action. Certainly not of climate change. The 2004 tsunami killed a quarter of people indiscriminately inside a few hours - Men, women, children, babies. What have they done to deserve this?

 

[Learner]

Ok so let's say some accidentally got it through feeding their babies infected water, perhaps in the days before people knew any better, for instance.

I like the phrase, 'somehow be known'. Do you reckon god knew?

Perhaps in the days before they knew better? Who knows ... and what if quite a large amount did get it by accident as in the previous post - does it mean they actully all got blind?

*edit: Sorry .. 'somehow be known' should have been better as ; 'by some way possible'

 

[Learner]

Case in point:

Amtrak Train Crash

"Any time you have anything that happens like that, you expect more fatalities. But God blessed us, and we only had the two," Fisher said, her voice choked with emotion.

God certainly blessed everyone according to this selfish, emotional, ignorant, thoughtless, religious bitch. People died but her magic spaceman named god still blessed everyone, even the hundred plus evacuated to hospital. She must feel so good about that.

What an asshole. She'd be praying to her special spaceman god at the foot of the heretic being burned alive. Again, what an asshole.

Not sure why you chose this particular story but you've more or less made my point despite putting full focus on what this woman said when she made that ill-thought comment.

The link you provided gave the headline :

"GPS-based system could have prevented deadly train crash"

 

[abaddon]

"GPS-based system could have prevented deadly train crash"

God could have prevented the deadly train crash. So why didn't he?

 

[Hermit]

"GPS-based system could have prevented deadly train crash"

God could have prevented the deadly train crash. So why didn't he?

Learner must blame the victim. The alternative is to blame whatever god he believes in the existence of, and that is unacceptable to him. Same with earthquakes. I note he has studiously ignored this post. If he does decide to reply to it, I bet it'll be more victim blaming. He's already said that if people get killed by tsunamis, its their own fault for living on the coast. Let them fish on the mountains, I suppose. Nobody ever should live on the coast. Tsunamis, you know. God's intelligent design.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

"GPS-based system could have prevented deadly train crash"

God could have prevented the deadly train crash. So why didn't he?

Because Learner as god isn't very smart, or much of a god at all.

Having gods is hard enough even without bringing in such low expectations.

My experience with believers has taught me that behind every god there is at least one moron.

 

[ruby sparks]

Ok so let's say some accidentally got it through feeding their babies infected water, perhaps in the days before people knew any better, for instance.

I like the phrase, 'somehow be known'. Do you reckon god knew?

Perhaps in the days before they knew better? Who knows ...

God?

..and what if quite a large amount did get it by accident as in the previous post - does it mean they actully all got blind?

No. Why does that matter?

 

[Learner]

So, you've never seen people grabbing headlines, pointing to natural disasters, claiming that they're God's punishment for (fill in the blank: abortion, homosexuality, immigration, transsexuals, evolution, etc.)?

Well in a sense I would agree with them but this goes for everyone. From the perspective of the bible which I believe is "consistent" . God no longer interacts directly as He once did before or durig the time of Jesus - i.e. troubles and tribulations - what a lot of Christians believe were approaching (if not already in it) now .

 

[Learner]

Why would you have to see that?

So he can see if there's any way to absolve God of any wrongdoing by blaming the victims.

Not my guess. It's either going to be just one of those unfortunate things that happens that is nobody's fault, or just one of those things that god can't stop happening without there being even worse consequences, or there's some other good reason for it that we don't know.

Learner,

The problem of evil is an indictment of God, and God only. There's something missing in him if evil happens to any sentient being in any circumstance at all. He's either not all-powerful or not all-good or not all-knowing. And if he's not those three things together then what kind of god is he?

To answer without being evasive, you cannot say anything that turns it into a question of human behavior.

The problem of evil? We are now in survival mode but thankfully by grace we are granted the ability to be wise - if only sometimes eh? (for lack of better phrasing) . Its all in Revelation. Its a waiting game...its now all about faith! (without seeing the direct presence of God) And the only way now is through Jesus (As theists see it)

(Hermit.. have to come back later after job)

 

[Keith&Co.]

Well in a sense I would agree with them

So...in a sense you'd say they're NOT an accepted part of the biosphere (or whatever), but a direct tool of the divine, to punish people for various things. So, back to them being evil, how do you explain them?

From the perspective of the bible which I believe is "consistent" . God no longer interacts directly

So....you believe in the bible, which says you DON'T agree that tsunamis are the direct penal actions of God?


Got it.

 

[ruby sparks]

The problem of evil? We are now in survival mode but thankfully by grace we are granted the ability to be wise - if only sometimes eh? (for lack of better phrasing) . Its all in Revelation. Its a waiting game...its now all about faith! (without seeing the direct presence of God) And the only way now is through Jesus (As theists see it)

How does a baby with cancer be wise?

And I've asked twice before this, does god know?

It's ok. It's tricky. And you don't have a ready answer. No one does. That's why it's so tricky. I'm not trying to get you to not believe in god. But hopefully you can see why things like that (and river blindness worms and eternal punishment) don't really assist much in strengthening the idea there's a truly loving creator god (which would literally be a lovely thing if it were true). I'm pretty sure you'll believe in one, almost no matter what, and I promise I'm not going to use the phrase Stockholm Syndrone whoops I did.

 

[humbleman]

This is ridiculous.

You can't prove the physical existence of time and you want others to believe the following.



Lets go that reference [1]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/science/hubble-constant-universe-expanding-speed.html

Cosmos Controversy:The Universe Is Expanding, but How Fast?

There is a crisis brewing in the cosmos, or perhaps in the community of cosmologists. The universe seems to be expanding too fast, some astronomers say.

Recent measurements of the distances and velocities of faraway galaxies don’t agree with a hard-won “standard model” of the cosmos that has prevailed for the past two decades.

Well, the idea is a complete idiocy.

Who can establish that the standard model of the cosmos made years ago is correct anyway?

Science isn't dogma. It is an evolving learning process, quite different than, "its true, cuz the Bible says so". And funny thing about that article, nothing within it posits that the universe isn't expanding. Which is a long way off from the geocentric universe from our religiously driven fairy tales...

Oh, come on.

our position in space plus our microscopical size can only allow us to see the entire universe as the blind men describing the elephant.

The first model of the universe was crap, and now scientists are trying to cover up their mistake with a new fantasy.

 

[Keith&Co.]

The first model of the universe was crap, and now scientists are trying to cover up their mistake with a new fantasy.

Interesting how you decry gossip shard by others, but have no problem with baseless smears against such a shitload of people...

 

[ruby sparks]

The first model of the universe was crap, and now scientists are trying to cover up their mistake with a new fantasy.

Because thinking there was a layer of water above the firmament was a better idea. Or that the firmament had windows. Or that the earth (and sky) were supported on pillars......