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Derec

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Or: why is black racism either ignored or seen as something positive?

See this from VICE "News".
We followed a group of women to the Women of Color Healing Retreat in Puerto Viejo, Costa Rica, a travel experience that emphasized yoga, vegan food, and political education seminars — and specifically banned white people.
The racist af founder of the segregated vacation company even said that white people should not be allowed to have passports.

US will never solve our racial problems until we stop pretending that only whites can be racist and hold black (and other) racists to account.
 
Because identity politics. Black people can't be racist, Derec. Haven't you been listening? We are to treat all black people as one, and since on average black people are worse off, therefore we are to treat them all as that way, and all white people as the oppressor class. The oppressed striking back at the oppressor is to be applauded. The actual individuals get lost in the mix.

Its stupid, but that's the logic.
 
Because identity politics. Black people can't be racist, Derec. Haven't you been listening? We are to treat all black people as one, and since on average black people are worse off, therefore we are to treat them all as that way, and all white people as the oppressor class. The oppressed striking back at the oppressor is to be applauded. The actual individuals get lost in the mix.

Its stupid, but that's the logic.

You think it's stupid?

Unarmed African-Americans are statistically more likely to be killed by police, and even when the killings are obviously a grotesque violation of power by the police, the whole thing is recorded in video, and published to the world, the killers almost never go to prison. African-Americans still suffer systemic racism.

If we acknowledge that systemic racism affects African-Americans and not white people, you think that is stupid?

What is stupid about that?

Just another example of white fragility.

African-Americans are being attacked for in effect begging for their lives, but you are the real victim here, right?
 
Because identity politics. Black people can't be racist, Derec. Haven't you been listening? We are to treat all black people as one, and since on average black people are worse off, therefore we are to treat them all as that way, and all white people as the oppressor class. The oppressed striking back at the oppressor is to be applauded. The actual individuals get lost in the mix.

Its stupid, but that's the logic.

You think it's stupid?

Yes. Yes I do. What I wrote about that is, not your attempted strawman.

Giving people a pass on being racist just because they look kind of like other people who are hard done by is very very stupid. Your strawman aside, do you actually disagree?
 
So, Derec... are "men's only retreats" sexist double-standards?

Do you mean when people get together to play D&D?

If so, then no. Women are actually allowed to come along too, it's just that none have ever done so.
 
Its kind of ironic that these black women are going on this retreat because they "feel unsafe" around white people, yet statistically speaking, they are much safer around white people than they are around their own kind.
 
Its kind of ironic that these black women are going on this retreat because they "feel unsafe" around white people, yet statistically speaking, they are much safer around white people than they are around their own kind.

I second that.
 
Its kind of ironic that these black women are going on this retreat because they "feel unsafe" around white people, yet statistically speaking, they are much safer around white people than they are around their own kind.
I like what you said and understand what you mean. But when anyone says this and finishes with, "their own kind," I mean - OUCH! That can get twisted into so many unintended meanings.

There are different levels of homicide. There are obviously different levels of racism. The one you unintentionally displayed here is probably best described as unintentional racism.
 
Its kind of ironic that these black women are going on this retreat because they "feel unsafe" around white people, yet statistically speaking, they are much safer around white people than they are around their own kind.
I like what you said and understand what you mean. But when anyone says this and finishes with, "their own kind," I mean - OUCH! That can get twisted into so many unintended meanings.

There are different levels of homicide. There are obviously different levels of racism. The one you unintentionally displayed here is probably best described as unintentional racism.

How is it racist? If I said "with their own race" would that be better?
 
You think it's stupid?

Unarmed African-Americans are statistically more likely to be killed by police,
I am pretty sure I read that they specifically shown that to be false. Unarmed African-Americans are more likely to meet the police but once they met their blackness does not affect their survival rate. And they meet police more often because their crime rate is higher.
 
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Its kind of ironic that these black women are going on this retreat because they "feel unsafe" around white people, yet statistically speaking, they are much safer around white people than they are around their own kind.
I like what you said and understand what you mean. But when anyone says this and finishes with, "their own kind," I mean - OUCH! That can get twisted into so many unintended meanings.

There are different levels of homicide. There are obviously different levels of racism. The one you unintentionally displayed here is probably best described as unintentional racism.

How is it racist? If I said "with their own race" would that be better?

It might be for some but it's not much of an improvement.
 
You think it's stupid?
I agree with Jolly. It is stupid.
Unarmed African-Americans are statistically more likely to be killed by police,
I do not think that is really the case when you correct for number of interactions with police. Also, an unarmed person can still be a significant threat justifying use of deadly force. Take for example Mike Brown, the Gentle Giant of Ferguson. Furthermore, the propagandists will often insists that perps armed with realistic replica guns are "unarmed" even though a police officer cannot distinguish between the two. For example Quanice Hayes formerly of Portland. His family, activists and some media continue to call him "unarmed" even though he was armed with a realistic looking pellet gun which he used to rob a homeless guy.

and even when the killings are obviously a grotesque violation of power by the police, the whole thing is recorded in video, and published to the world, the killers almost never go to prison.
Vast majority of police shootings are justified, and questionable police shootings can happen to people of any skin color. Remember that guy at that hotel?

African-Americans still suffer systemic racism.
It is debatable to what extent that is still true and also there is systemic racism that benefits blacks as well. For example affirmative action, or this societal aversion to point out, and sanction, black racism.

But even if you were 100% correct, that still does not justify nasty racism exhibited by this travel outfit. That's the point of this thread, and you are proving my point about double standard when it comes to racism, since you seem to defend black racism.

If we acknowledge that systemic racism affects African-Americans and not white people, you think that is stupid?
If you say that black people can't be racist, that's stupid. If you think that there is nothing wrong with saying that white people should not be allowed to have passports, that's racist. And stupid.

Just another example of white fragility.
Yet another black racist term. If a white person compains of any racist treatment, no matter how justified the complaint, that automatically means we are "fragile". Bull-fucking-shit!

African-Americans are being attacked for in effect begging for their lives, but you are the real victim here, right?

Let's look at some facts here. They are not "begging for their lives" not to be killed by white people. 90% of blacks who are victims of homicide are killed by fellow blacks - yet they never become #BLM hashtags.
It is very unlikely that any particular person, black or white will get killed by police. And the chances increase by many orders of magnitude if you do something stupid, like attack a police officer or point a gun (real or replica) at them.
#BLM has slogans like "stop killing us". But blacks commit 5-6 times more homicides per capita than whites, according to FBI crime data. Blacks are also twice as likely to kill a white person than vice versa. And yet the narrative in the media is that it is whites, and/or police, who are somehow killing blacks to the point that black people must somehow go to Costa Rica to avoid all those evil white people who want to kill them. It's bogus, it's racist, it has no relationship with reality.

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It might be for some but it's not much of an improvement.
Why? How would you say it to be PC enough?
 
So, Derec... are "men's only retreats" sexist double-standards?

Not unless there aren't any "women only retreats". If both can do it, then it is not a double standard.
However, for the organizer of the retreats to say that men or women should not be allowed to have passports would be sexist, just like the statement by Andrea X is racist af.
What is sexist double standard is for example to have female only hours at public pools, in effect allowing women access for more hours than to men.
 
What is sexist double standard is for example to have female only hours at public pools, in effect allowing women access for more hours than to men.

Oh my Derec tsk tsk. Now you have put your male fragility on display along with your white fragility, by calling for equal access for men. Dear me. What are we to do with you? Sexism can only favour men. Didn't you get the memo?
 
Its kind of ironic that these black women are going on this retreat because they "feel unsafe" around white people, yet statistically speaking, they are much safer around white people than they are around their own kind.

Black women who go to retreats probably are not dangerous.
 
There was a poll not that long ago, where even black people seemed to think that black people, on average, were more racist.

That said, ignoring the passport thing, if you want a Black/Hispanic/whatever/no whites retreat, then go for it. I don't think it's racist for particular racial groups to get together.
 
Its kind of ironic that these black women are going on this retreat because they "feel unsafe" around white people, yet statistically speaking, they are much safer around white people than they are around their own kind.

Black women who go to retreats probably are not dangerous.

True, but if they invited along some white women for the yoga and vegan food, they would probably be safe also.
 
So, Derec... are "men's only retreats" sexist double-standards?

Not unless there aren't any "women only retreats". If both can do it, then it is not a double standard.
Which means this WoC retreat isn't a double-standard or racist or any of the other hair-on-fire freak out you started this thread with.

However, for the organizer of the retreats to say that men or women should not be allowed to have passports would be sexist, just like the statement by Andrea X is racist af.
You claimed this, but it was nowhere in the article.

There are all kinds of retreats - men only, women only, christians only, gay only, WoC only, yoga enthusiasts, hiking enthusiasts, rape survivors, corporate/company retreats... almost any type of group you can imagine.

There is nothing racist or sexist or otherwise discriminatory or double-standard about it.

Sorry Derec... your thread fails.
 
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