Hillary is now blaming the married women

[RVonse]

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Here's what she said:

“[Democrats] do not do well with white men, and we don't do well with married, white women. And part of that is an identification with the Republican Party and a sort of ongoing pressure to vote the way that your husband, your boss, your son, whoever, believes you should.”

So with all that said, here is my question to anyone who might know an answer. How are the democrats going to move forward and beat the Republicans if they don't at least put their best foot forward and try to succeed with men and white married women?

 

[repoman]

Oh, so that's why the democrats are trying to ruin families

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

How are the democrats going to move forward and beat the Republicans if they don't at least put their best foot forward and try to succeed with men and white married women?

Trump proved beyond a doubt that it's not about putting your best foot forward. Kasich was the best Republican choice but getting votes was difficult. The sensational news gave Trump free air time whenever he wanted it. So, how could the Democrats win without putting best foot forward is easy. If Hillary wants to win, she will have to be way more aggressive and obnoxious than she's been before. She will have to be Trump to beat Trump and that gives Dems a 50%-50% shot. She will have to be aggressive with negative campaigning about Russia, hookers, and what a dotard Trump is. Of course it destroys the country along the way but we've been steadily heading toward Idiocracy now for decades anyway.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

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Here's what she said:

“[Democrats] do not do well with white men, and we don't do well with married, white women. And part of that is an identification with the Republican Party and a sort of ongoing pressure to vote the way that your husband, your boss, your son, whoever, believes you should.”

So with all that said, here is my question to anyone who might know an answer. How are the democrats going to move forward and beat the Republicans if they don't at least put their best foot forward and try to succeed with men and white married women?

Trump won via aberration. That is the only thing that seems to explain how the Democrats seem to have won a +11 R seat in PA, a seat, the Democrats haven't had since 2001.

Trump was the benefactor of a lot of stuff that just isn't normal or remotely conventional. Clinton needs to accept a portion of this... that and her decision to name white bread her running mate. She also needs to accept going away. Yes, she won the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes, so that makes it harder to accept... as well as winning the key three battleground states she was supposed to need to win (NH, NV, VA). So yes, tough loss, but please, go away. We have house and senate majorities to win.

 

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Why is it that most of the time I hear about HRC from right wingers and FFvC?

So with all that said, here is my question to anyone who might know an answer. How are the democrats going to move forward and beat the Republicans if they don't at least put their best foot forward and try to succeed with men and white married women?

LOL...PA-18 & Alabama's Doug Jones is your simple answer. I think you will have your answer this November as well.

Secondly, Don the Con has the lowest job approval rating in modern Presidential history. Hell, even Ford was doing better after his pardon of Nixon. The Repugs haven't had a big win on the Presidential scale (either in total percentages or electoral count) since 1988. And the demographic time bomb will be cleaning out their clock by 2024 without major internal platform reforms.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Hillary again? I understand her difficulty getting over 2016, as she was presumed to win easily and failed at a spectacular level. I understand why she would want to deflect some of the blame, but her book and excuses making tour, and now stuff like this, declaring married women to be weak and without agency, and anybody who bought into "Make America Great Again", a line her own husband used in his campaigns as this article points out, racist and misogynist is, well, "sad".

Hillary, it wasn't married women lacking fortitude and agency. It wasn't all about racism or misogyny either. You were perceived as a self entitled corporate hack while running against an anti-corporate populist in your primary, which highlighted your flaws perfectly for Trump to exploit ("Crooked Hillary"), ran on "No, we can't" instead of "Yes, we can", and you pushed the slogan "I'm with Her" instead of "She's with us". You lost to Donald Trump. You are a liability to your party now. Move on already. You are not and will never be Obama.

Take some pointers from Al Gore, who actually did get screwed over but put himself back together and focused his energy on climate change instead of making excuses and soothing his own ego.

So with all that said, here is my question to anyone who might know an answer. How are the democrats going to move forward and beat the Republicans if they don't at least put their best foot forward and try to succeed with men and white married women?

So long as Democrats insist on playing identity politics like that, they will fail again and again. Identity politics is a game only the Republicans can win at in US politics. Same goes for pushing a positive vs negative message. That works far better for Republicans than for Democrats. Remember Hillary's campaign against Trump focused nearly exclusively on attacking him and playing into his identity politics game, and then remember Obama's "It's not red and blue america, its not black and white america. It's the United States of America. Yes We Can." It is night and day.

 

[funinspace]

Hillary again? I understand her difficulty getting over 2016, as she was presumed to win easily and failed at a spectacular level. I understand why she would want to deflect some of the blame, but her book and excuses making tour, and now stuff like this, declaring married women to be weak and without agency, and anybody who bought into "Make America Great Again", a line her own husband used in his campaigns as this article points out, racist and misogynist is, well, "sad".

Hillary, it wasn't married women lacking fortitude and agency. It wasn't all about racism or misogyny either. You were perceived as a self entitled corporate hack while running against an anti-corporate populist in your primary, which highlighted your flaws perfectly for Trump to exploit ("Crooked Hillary"), ran on "No, we can't" instead of "Yes, we can", and you pushed the slogan "I'm with Her" instead of "She's with us". You lost to Donald Trump. You are a liability to your party now. Move on already. You are not and will never be Obama.

Take some pointers from Al Gore, who actually did get screwed over but put himself back together and focused his energy on climate change instead of making excuses and soothing his own ego.

Yup, "I'm with Her" pretty much summed up what is wrong with HRC in a nutshell.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Hillary again? I understand her difficulty getting over 2016, as she was presumed to win easily and failed at a spectacular level. I understand why she would want to deflect some of the blame, but her book and excuses making tour, and now stuff like this, declaring married women to be weak and without agency, and anybody who bought into "Make America Great Again", a line her own husband used in his campaigns as this article points out, racist and misogynist is, well, "sad".

Hillary, it wasn't married women lacking fortitude and agency. It wasn't all about racism or misogyny either. You were perceived as a self entitled corporate hack while running against an anti-corporate populist in your primary, which highlighted your flaws perfectly for Trump to exploit ("Crooked Hillary"), ran on "No, we can't" instead of "Yes, we can", and you pushed the slogan "I'm with Her" instead of "She's with us". You lost to Donald Trump. You are a liability to your party now. Move on already. You are not and will never be Obama.

Yeah, the 30 years of propaganda, the endless Benghazi hearings and committees, and the email hack had little to do with it. Yes, Hillary Clinton doesn't have much in the way of ideals, but Trump has even fewer... well only one, that "Donald Trump is Great".

So with all that said, here is my question to anyone who might know an answer. How are the democrats going to move forward and beat the Republicans if they don't at least put their best foot forward and try to succeed with men and white married women?

So long as Democrats insist on playing identity politics like that, they will fail again and again. Identity politics is a game only the Republicans can win at in US politics. Same goes for pushing a positive vs negative message. That works far better for Republicans than for Democrats. Remember Hillary's campaign against Trump focused nearly exclusively on attacking him and playing into his identity politics game, and then remember Obama's "It's not red and blue america, its not black and white america. It's the United States of America. Yes We Can." It is night and day.

Seeing that Trump's campaign was "MAGA" via magic and all of his great plans, I don't think talking about how a campaign was run makes sense against Clinton.

 

[Toni]

Hillary cites demographic data and is falsely accused of blaming white women by concervative men in a move that surprises exactly no one.

Kind of reminds me of this: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/14/business/media/fox-news-women-teachers-sexual-predators.html

 

[SimpleDon]

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Here's what she said:

“[Democrats] do not do well with white men, and we don't do well with married, white women. And part of that is an identification with the Republican Party and a sort of ongoing pressure to vote the way that your husband, your boss, your son, whoever, believes you should.”

So with all that said, here is my question to anyone who might know an answer. How are the democrats going to move forward and beat the Republicans if they don't at least put their best foot forward and try to succeed with men and white married women?

I don't know how the Democrats can forge a coalition that can counter the Republicans' appeal with white voters. I don't understand racism. I don't understand the fear of foreigners. I don't understand the denial of science and of facts. I don't understand the appeal of religion and other fantasies. I don't understand fighting progress. I don't understand living in fear. I don't understand the appeal of authoritarianism. These things to me are the opposite of what makes America Great.

The country has slowly been moving to right for fifty years. It is not going to return to even trending back to the center quickly if at all. The Democrats are nothing more than the not a Republican, the not a reactionary party.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Here: https://ijr.com/2018/03/1074945-hil...f1kg&_hsmi=61310911&utm_campaign=Conservative Daily&utm_content=61310911&utm_medium=email&utm_source=hs_email

Here's what she said:

“[Democrats] do not do well with white men, and we don't do well with married, white women. And part of that is an identification with the Republican Party and a sort of ongoing pressure to vote the way that your husband, your boss, your son, whoever, believes you should.”

So with all that said, here is my question to anyone who might know an answer. How are the democrats going to move forward and beat the Republicans if they don't at least put their best foot forward and try to succeed with men and white married women?

I don't know how the Democrats can forge a coalition that can counter the Republicans' appeal with white voters. I don't understand racism. I don't understand the fear of foreigners. I don't understand the denial of science and of facts. I don't understand the appeal of religion and other fantasies. I don't understand fighting progress. I don't understand living in fear. I don't understand the appeal of authoritarianism. These things to me are the opposite of what makes America Great.

The country has slowly been moving to right for fifty years. It is not going to return to even trending back to the center quickly if at all. The Democrats are nothing more than the not a Republican, the not a reactionary party.

I think it becomes a two region Democrat party like in the old days, one that is moderate and one that is conservative.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Yes, Hillary Clinton doesn't have much in the way of ideals, but Trump has even fewer... well only one, that "Donald Trump is Great".

That is no excuse for Hillary. As I wrote above, focus on a negative message of your opponent, identity politics, and empty platitudes works for Republicans, and not so much for Democrats. Hillary never should have run if she was going to run on an "I'm With Her" self-aggrandizing message. She should have stepped out the way for someone like Bernie or like Obama who speak for unity or have policy points to hammer and sway the public with. Democrats win when they push liberal optimism and speak with vision (even if it turns out to be a little empty like it did with Obama).

Hillary's message of it being her turn, her having a vagina (First woman president just for the sake of having a woman president!), her saying "no, we can't" to Bernie, and her being a legacy candidate, with no real vision is what led to her failure. Not these people she wants to point at.

Seeing that Trump's campaign was "MAGA" via magic and all of his great plans, I don't think talking about how a campaign was run makes sense against Clinton.

Of course it does. She lost. To Trump.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I don't know how the Democrats can forge a coalition that can counter the Republicans' appeal with white voters. I don't understand racism. I don't understand the fear of foreigners. I don't understand the denial of science and of facts. I don't understand the appeal of religion and other fantasies. I don't understand fighting progress. I don't understand living in fear. I don't understand the appeal of authoritarianism. These things to me are the opposite of what makes America Great.

Associating all that with "white voters" is why the Democrats will continue to lose. Instead, how about a focus on the economy, public funded education, universal health care, wealth disparity (the 99%), etc? Issues the vast majority of your citizens agree with the Democrats on? Demonizing white people isn't going to win you their votes. Appealing to them as fellow human beings with many of the same interests as everybody else will.

 

[ronburgundy]

Hillary again? I understand her difficulty getting over 2016, as she was presumed to win easily and failed at a spectacular level. I understand why she would want to deflect some of the blame, but her book and excuses making tour, and now stuff like this, declaring married women to be weak and without agency, and anybody who bought into "Make America Great Again", a line her own husband used in his campaigns as this article points out, racist and misogynist is, well, "sad".

Hillary, it wasn't married women lacking fortitude and agency. It wasn't all about racism or misogyny either. You were perceived as a self entitled corporate hack while running against an anti-corporate populist in your primary, which highlighted your flaws perfectly for Trump to exploit ("Crooked Hillary"), ran on "No, we can't" instead of "Yes, we can", and you pushed the slogan "I'm with Her" instead of "She's with us". You lost to Donald Trump. You are a liability to your party now. Move on already. You are not and will never be Obama.

Take some pointers from Al Gore, who actually did get screwed over but put himself back together and focused his energy on climate change instead of making excuses and soothing his own ego.

So with all that said, here is my question to anyone who might know an answer. How are the democrats going to move forward and beat the Republicans if they don't at least put their best foot forward and try to succeed with men and white married women?

So long as Democrats insist on playing identity politics like that, they will fail again and again. Identity politics is a game only the Republicans can win at in US politics. Same goes for pushing a positive vs negative message. That works far better for Republicans than for Democrats. Remember Hillary's campaign against Trump focused nearly exclusively on attacking him and playing into his identity politics game, and then remember Obama's "It's not red and blue america, its not black and white america. It's the United States of America. Yes We Can." It is night and day.

Only 39% of white voters supported Obama in 2012, and most white women voted for Romney. How do your excuses for them cohere with that fact?
Most whites have voted GOP in every presidential election in the last 40 years. How do your excuses for them account for that?
And the decades of white support for the GOP is even stronger among less educated whites.

The shift by whites to supporting the GOP began in the late 60's following the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act, and the response by the GOP to realign itself and use the "Southern Strategy" to attract the bigot vote, while the Dem leadership began strongly pushing a civil rights platform. That's why the two of most vile southern racist in Congress at the time, Jessie Helms and Strom Thurmond, switched from the Dems to the GOP.

 

[braces_for_impact]

The right's unhealthy obsession with Hillary has really got to come to a conclusion. They need to seek help. Even Obama just doesn't receive such a visceral reaction once he's out of office. As things appear now, you could be forgiven if you newly arrived on this planet, and watching GOP politics, concluded Hillary had won the last election.

 

[funinspace]

As things appear now, you could be forgiven if you newly arrived on this planet, and watching GOP politics, concluded Hillary had won the last election.

Some theme music

 

[Toni]

The right's unhealthy obsession with Hillary has really got to come to a conclusion. They need to seek help. Even Obama just doesn't receive such a visceral reaction once he's out of office. As things appear now, you could be forgiven if you newly arrived on this planet, and watching GOP politics, concluded Hillary had won the last election.

At least Barack was half white and had the decency to be male. Unlike Hillary who not only is a woman, but she’s a woman with not just one but LOTS of opinions. That just ain’t right. Not enough white in the world to cover up all them opinions. Not unless you’re wearing your own penis to go with them balls.

 

[repoman]

 

[Mumbles]

I don't know how the Democrats can forge a coalition that can counter the Republicans' appeal with white voters. I don't understand racism. I don't understand the fear of foreigners. I don't understand the denial of science and of facts. I don't understand the appeal of religion and other fantasies. I don't understand fighting progress. I don't understand living in fear. I don't understand the appeal of authoritarianism. These things to me are the opposite of what makes America Great.

Associating all that with "white voters" is why the Democrats will continue to lose. Instead, how about a focus on the economy, public funded education, universal health care, wealth disparity (the 99%), etc? Issues the vast majority of your citizens agree with the Democrats on? Demonizing white people isn't going to win you their votes. Appealing to them as fellow human beings with many of the same interests as everybody else will.

So basically, she should have run on all the stuff she actually ran on, and discussed at great length at every rally, debate, and so forth.

(And there's the whole "Trump's constant appeals to white supremacism, misogyny, and xenophobia are not 'identity politics'" thing yet again...)

ETA: I'm not listening to Jimmy "let's join with the alt-right to end wars" Dore.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

(And there's the whole "Trump's constant appeals to white supremacism, misogyny, and xenophobia are not 'identity politics'" thing

Wow really? I specifically called Trump out for playing identity politics. And I noted how it's a strategy that wins elections for Republicans but not Democrats. What did you imagine you were reading?