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Religious practices that were crazier than human sacrifice

rousseau

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I've been reading a bit about religious rituals among Central and South-American natives today and had to drop my jaw over the depictions of human sacrifice.

Can you imagine? Real people undergoing long, elaborate rituals, only to finish it up by ripping the heart out of someone's chest?

Does it get any crazier than that? :confused: :consternation1:
 
When putting up a new building, people used to put infants in the post holes so that the gods would favor the resulting building. I don't remember which culture or religion did that, but it sounds a lot more horrifying to me. Who the fuck puts a baby in a post hole, puts a post on the baby, then constructs a fucking building on it? And all to bring luck to the building?
 
When putting up a new building, people used to put infants in the post holes so that the gods would favor the resulting building. I don't remember which culture or religion did that, but it sounds a lot more horrifying to me. Who the fuck puts a baby in a post hole, puts a post on the baby, then constructs a fucking building on it? And all to bring luck to the building?

Was the baby aborted?
Apparently it's OK to use unwanted babies as footings instead of using them as 'persons'.
 
When putting up a new building, people used to put infants in the post holes so that the gods would favor the resulting building. I don't remember which culture or religion did that, but it sounds a lot more horrifying to me. Who the fuck puts a baby in a post hole, puts a post on the baby, then constructs a fucking building on it? And all to bring luck to the building?

Please let us not run away with our imaginations - that is how hate is engendered. If i were to read of an ancient cult writing that they "drink the blood of their God" - what would i think? That these people belonged to some sort of vampire cult?

Fact is that religions like Christianity have taught a culture of hate and division against anything that is not Christian. Let's not be brainwashed still - let's show that we have grown away from hate teachings - the people that we hate are not there to defend themselves and they lived in a totally different world - a very, very violent world

You think doing such things to humans is horrible - do you know that day old male chicks are dumped alive into shredders to be cut to pieces? Millions killed that way? And yet because they are animals we think nothing of it. Let's not get uppity about ourselves
 
Sam Harris, 2007:
In many ancient cultures whenever a nobleman died, other men and women allowed themselves to be buried alive so as to serve as his retainers in the next world. In ancient Rome, children were sometimes slaughtered so that the future could be read in their entrails. The Dyak women of Borneo would not even look at a suitor unless he came bearing a net full of human heads as a love offering. Some Fijian prodigy devised a powerful sacrament called “Vakatoga” which required that a victim’s limbs be cut off and eaten while he watched. Among the Iroquois, captives from other tribes were often permitted to live for many years, and even to marry, all the while being doomed to be flayed alive as an oblation to the God of War; whatever children they produced while in captivity were disposed of in the same ritual. African tribes too numerous to name have a long history of murdering people to send as couriers in a one-way dialogue with their ancestors or to convert their body parts into magical charms. Ritual murders of this sort continue in many African societies to this day.

It is essential to realize that such impossibly stupid misuses of human life have always been explicitly religious. They are the product of what certain human beings think they know about invisible gods and goddesses, and of what they manifestly do not know about biology, meteorology, medicine, physics, and a dozen other specific sciences that have more than a little to say about the events in the world that concern them.

And it is astride this contemptible history of religious atrocity and scientific ignorance that Christianity now stands as an absurdly unselfconscious apotheosis. As John the Baptist is rumored to have said upon seeing Jesus for the first time, “Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world” (John 1:29). For most Christians, this bizarre opinion still stands, and it remains the core of their faith. Christianity amounts to the claim that we must love and be loved by a God who approves of the scapegoating, torture, and murder of one man—his son, incidentally—in compensation for the misbehavior and thought-crimes of all others.

Let the good news go forth: we live in a cosmos, the vastness of which we can scarcely even indicate in our thoughts, on a planet teeming with creatures we have only begun to understand, but the whole project was actually brought to a glorious fulfillment over twenty centuries ago, after one species of primate (our own) climbed down out of the trees, invented agriculture and iron tools, glimpsed (as through a glass, darkly) the possibility of keeping its excrement out of its food, and then singled out one among its number to be viciously flogged and nailed to a cross.

The notion that Jesus Christ died for our sins and that his death constitutes a successful propitiation of a “loving” God is a direct and undisguised inheritance of the scapegoating barbarism that has plagued bewildered people throughout history. Viewed in a modern context, it is an idea at once so depraved and fantastical that it is hard to know where to begin to criticize it. Add to the abject mythology surrounding one man’s death by torture—Christ’s passion—the symbolic cannibalism of the Eucharist. Did I say “symbolic”? Sorry, according to the Vatican it is most assuredly not symbolic. In fact, the opinion of the Council of Trent still stands:

I likewise profess that in the Mass a true, proper and propitiatory sacrifice is offered to God on behalf of the living and the dead, and that the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ is truly, really, and substantially present in the most holy sacrament of the Eucharist, and that there is a change of the whole substance of the bread into the body, and of the whole substance of the wine into blood; and this change the Catholic Church calls transubstantiation. I also profess that the whole and entire Christ and a true sacrament is received under each separate species.

Of course, Catholics have done some very strenuous and unconvincing theology in this area, in an effort to make sense of how they can really eat the body of Jesus, not mere crackers enrobed in metaphor, and really drink his blood without, in fact, being a cult of crazy cannibals. Suffice it to say, however, that a world view in which “propitiatory sacrifices on behalf of the living and the dead” figure prominently is rather difficult to defend in the year 2007. But this has not stopped otherwise intelligent and well-intentioned people from defending it.
 
I think we have a straw man argument here. Let us focus on the religious rites, rituals, sacraments, and surgeries that have advanced the well-being of the species.
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I think we have a straw man argument here. Let us focus on the religious rites, rituals, sacraments, and surgeries that have advanced the well-being of the species.
I don't know about the WHOLE species, but when I was growing up, the sacrament was a reward. Sit quietly in an uncomfortable suit for two goddamned hours, bored out of my skull, and I'd get about two grams of stale bread and a sip of warm grape juice...

...and the endless fun of asking for a 'to go' bag, or hoping for the free prize inside...
They always enjoyed the creativity involved in desperately trying to find something to occupy my mind with during the stultifying sermon.
 
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