American Family Association's Christian nutbag says school shootings happen because of abortions

[phands]

LINK: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...-school-shootings-happen-because-of-abortions

[FONT=&quot]For a brief respite in 2015 right wing “Christian” maniac Bryan Fisher was relieved of his duties as the fire and brimstone mouthpiece of the equally abhorrent American Family Association. The AFA and Fisher get pretty hot and heavy over the apparent conspiracy to turn our country super duper gay. I mean, they are clearly deeply affected by the very thought of men kissing other men, with their mouths, and all of those muscles, and the lights … sorry, I got lost there. Damn you Queer Eye for the Straight Guy!!!! Anyhow, Fisher’s hate-filled radio show Focal Point continues and so does his connection with the American Family Association and their Islamophobic and homophobic insanity.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Friday, Fisher explained that God isn’t too weak to stop school shootings. He has just decided to allow these children to be murdered because … abortions. Quoting Isaiah 59, Fisher explained why God hasn’t answered those prayers from millions of Christians, since Sandy Hook, to stop the bloodshed.[/FONT]

Fisher: So when we hold up our hands in prayer, you know what God sees when the people of our nation lift their hands to God in prayer? He sees the blood of 60 million innocent babies defiling our hands and dripping off our fingers, so He can’t hear, He can’t see, His view is blocked by the blood, the shed blood, of the innocents.
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Yet again, xtianity is fucked-up.

Apparently, the omniscient, omnipotent sky-fairy has hearing problems because of abortions????? That may be one of the stupidest things ever written - even by a religiturd.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Of course God is concerned about abortion. It only took him 7 chapters of his holy word to kill every human fetus, infant, and child on the planet.

 

[Lion IRC]

It's quite biblical for Fisher to point out that God's judgement frequently extends to entire nations. It's a pattern repeated many places in the bible - God teaches/punishes by giving us what we want.

You kick God out of your schools and He is entitled to call you hypocrites for accusing Him of inaction on school shootings.

God is also perfectly justified in rebuking our gross hypocrisy whereby we wail and gnash our teeth over a few dozen children shot dead and yet we boast about our 'enlightened' hedonist lifestyle that murders MILLIONS of babies for pure convenience.

That's up.

 

[Juma]

It's quite biblical for Fisher to point out that God's judgement frequently extends to entire nations. It's a pattern repeated many places in the bible - God teaches/punishes by giving us what we want.

You kick God out of your schools and He is entitled to call you hypocrites for accusing Him of inaction on school shootings.

God is also perfectly justified in rebuking our gross hypocrisy whereby we wail and gnash our teeth over a few dozen children shot dead and yet we boast about our 'enlightened' hedonist lifestyle that murders MILLIONS of babies for pure convenience.

That's up.

but god hates babies, if not, why would he not prevent miscarriages?
another post that proves how stupid christians are...

 

[braces_for_impact]

It's quite biblical for Fisher to point out that God's judgement frequently extends to entire nations. It's a pattern repeated many places in the bible - God teaches/punishes by giving us what we want.

Yes, we see the same in Greek myths. Humans getting put into their place for getting uppity against the gods. Happens time and again.

You kick God out of your schools and He is entitled to call you hypocrites for accusing Him of inaction on school shootings.

The problem is, God was never kicked out of schools, the only thing that has been stopped is faculty-led prayer and favoring one religion over another. Kids still pray in school, still read the bible in school, and have after school religious groups on school grounds. Only within the Christian persecution complex does that qualify as discrimination.

God is also perfectly justified in rebuking our gross hypocrisy whereby we wail and gnash our teeth over a few dozen children shot dead and yet we boast about our 'enlightened' hedonist lifestyle that murders MILLIONS of babies for pure convenience.

except of course it's not gross hypocrisy, gross hypocrisy is being anti-abortion and pro-capital punishment, as most Christians are.

 

[Opoponax]

God is also perfectly justified in rebuking our gross hypocrisy whereby we wail and gnash our teeth over a few dozen children shot dead and yet we boast about our 'enlightened' hedonist lifestyle that murders MILLIONS of babies for pure convenience.

Surely God approves of those who save souls, yes? A guy who brought 100 people to God would be doing The Lord's work, yes?

If the soul enters (or however you want to put it) at conception, then doesn't an abortion doctor objectively and surely save more souls than any minister? Of course, this is predicated on the notion that since fetuses are innocent, they get that free pass straight to eternity with The Lord.

It's is an inescapable "fact" that had all those fetuses gone to term and been born, that the vast majority would've gone to Hell. So the abortion doctor, and by extension those who support abortion, have ensured millions and millions of souls entered Heaven for all eternity. That amounts to actual soul-saving.

On the other hand, if the fetuses go straight to Hell, then okay, there's a problem. Actually there are two problems. The first is that innocents are being sent to Hell. The second is that there's a monstrous creator that's allowing them to be sent there.

I have to think that if there is a god, it's gotta be better than that. If it isn't, I want nothing to do with it anyway.

 

[phands]

God is also perfectly justified in rebuking our gross hypocrisy whereby we wail and gnash our teeth over a few dozen children shot dead and yet we boast about our 'enlightened' hedonist lifestyle that murders MILLIONS of babies for pure convenience.

Surely God approves of those who save souls, yes? A guy who brought 100 people to God would be doing The Lord's work, yes?

If the soul enters (or however you want to put it) at conception, then doesn't an abortion doctor objectively and surely save more souls than any minister? Of course, this is predicated on the notion that since fetuses are innocent, they get that free pass straight to eternity with The Lord.

It's is an inescapable "fact" that had all those fetuses gone to term and been born, that the vast majority would've gone to Hell. So the abortion doctor, and by extension those who support abortion, have ensured millions and millions of souls entered Heaven for all eternity. That amounts to actual soul-saving.

On the other hand, if the fetuses go straight to Hell, then okay, there's a problem. Actually there are two problems. The first is that innocents are being sent to Hell. The second is that there's a monstrous creator that's allowing them to be sent there.

I have to think that if there is a god, it's gotta be better than that. If it isn't, I want nothing to do with it anyway.

All of which perfectly logical reasoning caused the feverish xtian "thinkers" to come up with the lunatic idea of original sin.....

 

[southernhybrid]

I'm waiting for the fundies to claim that the fires in California are due to gay folks, or abortion etc. It couldn't have anything to do with how humans have fucked up the planet. No, god only punishes those heathen states that are full of tolerant liberals. He must have messed up when he brought those storms to Texas last year. Those floods couldn't possibly have anything to do with global warming.

I miss the days when conservative Christians were big supporters of separation of church and state. I grew up with fundy parents who were supportive of the removal of mandatory, teacher led prayer in school. They believed that religion belonged in the church and home, not in the public sector. They were also concerned that my Catholic teachers might influence us too much. Imagine how Christians like Lion would feel if their kids had a Muslim teacher who prayed to Allah.

Religion was removed from the schools over fifty years ago. What took god so long to punish people? God needs to get over it and do something more positive.

Roe v. Wade happened in 1973. What took god so long to punish people? And why would he care considering how many pregnancies he has chosen to end for no apparent reason? Do as I say, not as I do. God is a hypocrite.

For that matter, conservative Christians need to so some reading about life prior to legalized abortions. In the early 20th Century, abortions were very common. I've read about women waiting in long lines for the abortionist to end their pregnancies. Women often died young, sometimes in childbirth, after having many children, as there was no adequate birth control available during that time. Abortions weren't safe as the people who performed them weren't doctors and they were done under unsanitary conditions. All Roe v. Wade did is make abortions safer and legal. As access to better birth control became available, there was less need for abortions. These days, it's becoming more difficult for poor women to obtain adequate birth control, or access to abortions. So, once again we have poor women raising children that they can't always support and they don't always have enough time to care for them. Yeah. Let's take a giant step backwards and deny women control over their reproductive organs.

 

[phands]

I'm waiting for the fundies to claim that the fires in California are due to gay folks, or abortion etc.

Sadly, they already started....

https://www.indy100.com/article/cal...-gay-pastor-god-homophobia-punishment-8479136

A US pastor with a history of making inflammatory and offensive anti-LGBT+ comments has blamed the wildfires in California on gay people.


Kevin Swanson has decided to shun science and evidence-based hypothesis linking wildfires to climate change, and insists that instead the raging fires are God’s punishment for the state’s pro-LGBT+ stance.


He makes these claims in the year 2018.


Speaking on his Generations radio show, the Colorado preacher incorrectly attributed the first gay pride march to have occurred in San Francisco in 1970 (it happened in New York).

In 2005, California state legislators became the first in the nation to pass the same-sex marriage law…In 2008, the California Supreme Court then struck down Prop 22 in regard to marriage cases, and Prop 8 was also struck down later on that year, I believe.
…In 2017 the California state schools implemented the homosexual indoctrination programme…and that was the kickoff for the biggest fires California has ever seen in its history, last year. And those fires continue in 2018.
So God is burning down California in 2017 and 2018 after about 25 years of leading the pack to legitimise the sin of homosexuality in that state.

 

[southernhybrid]

OOps, my bad. Christians have been blaming the California drought on gay people etc. for years.

https://newrepublic.com/article/122126/conservatives-blame-everything-climate-change-drought

As California’s drought stretches into its fourth year, the right’s finger-pointing has taken a ridiculous turn. Conservatives have placed most of the blame on the blue state’s politics; they blame it on God’s retribution for state laws on abortion and gay marriage. Sometimes it’s immigrants’ fault. The rest of the time, they point to environmentalists trying to save animals from extinction. There's never any mention that climate change will utlimately determine California's water problems for the next century.

That was from 2015. I guess that every bad thing that happens anywhere is punishment from god for gay people or abortion. That god of theirs has a very limited agenda, doesn't he?

 

[Lion IRC]

"...Religion was removed from the schools over fifty years ago. What took god so long to punish people? God needs to get over it and do something more positive."

The point would be that we are punishing ourselves.
Fishers point is that you can't have a hedonistic godless society and still complain to God about how bad things are.

You mentioned global warming.
What is the root cause of global warming if not blind consumerism and unbridled greed?
You want to worship mammon? Fine. But don't be surprised by the floods and fires.

 

[bilby]

"...Religion was removed from the schools over fifty years ago. What took god so long to punish people? God needs to get over it and do something more positive."

The point would be that we are punishing ourselves.
Fishers point is that you can't have a hedonistic godless society and still complain to God about how bad things are.

Indeed. But as nobody does, so what?

You mentioned global warming.
What is the root cause of global warming if not blind consumerism and unbridled greed?
You want to worship mammon? Fine. But don't be surprised by the floods and fires.

The root cause of climate change is burning fossil fuels. We have alternatives that don't cause massive environmental damage - nuclear, hydro, wind, solar, geothermal.

It's a technological problem with a technological solution. Gods have fuck all to do with it. Morality has very little to do with it either. Short term and parochial thinking is a problem, but one that religion makes worse, not better.

Worldwide, the groups who are most keen to keep burning coal and oil are also the most keen on religion, particularly Christianity.

So take your shortsighted <deleted> idea that religion is a universal solution to all problems, and <deleted>.

 

[Copernicus]

LINK: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...-school-shootings-happen-because-of-abortions

For a brief respite in 2015 right wing “Christian” maniac Bryan Fisher was relieved of his duties as the fire and brimstone mouthpiece of the equally abhorrent American Family Association. The AFA and Fisher get pretty hot and heavy over the apparent conspiracy to turn our country super duper gay. I mean, they are clearly deeply affected by the very thought of men kissing other men, with their mouths, and all of those muscles, and the lights … sorry, I got lost there. Damn you Queer Eye for the Straight Guy!!!! Anyhow, Fisher’s hate-filled radio show Focal Point continues and so does his connection with the American Family Association and their Islamophobic and homophobic insanity.
Friday, Fisher explained that God isn’t too weak to stop school shootings. He has just decided to allow these children to be murdered because … abortions. Quoting Isaiah 59, Fisher explained why God hasn’t answered those prayers from millions of Christians, since Sandy Hook, to stop the bloodshed.

Fisher: So when we hold up our hands in prayer, you know what God sees when the people of our nation lift their hands to God in prayer? He sees the blood of 60 million innocent babies defiling our hands and dripping off our fingers, so He can’t hear, He can’t see, His view is blocked by the blood, the shed blood, of the innocents.
​

Yet again, xtianity is fucked-up.

Apparently, the omniscient, omnipotent sky-fairy has hearing problems because of abortions????? That may be one of the stupidest things ever written - even by a religiturd.

Fisher represents a rather extreme element of the very diverse group of people we call "Christian". Using him to tar all "xtians" is not really fair. No question that Fisher is a homophobic nutbag, however.

 

[phands]

Fisher represents a rather extreme element of the very diverse group of people we call "Christian". Using him to tar all "xtians" is not really fair. No question that Fisher is a homophobic nutbag, however.

That's the "no true xxxx" fallacy by any other name. He is, after all, a tue xtian.

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Fisher represents a rather extreme element of the very diverse group of people we call "Christian". Using him to tar all "xtians" is not really fair. No question that Fisher is a homophobic nutbag, however.

That's the "no true xxxx" fallacy by any other name. He is, after all, a true xtian.

 

[Copernicus]

Fisher represents a rather extreme element of the very diverse group of people we call "Christian". Using him to tar all "xtians" is not really fair. No question that Fisher is a homophobic nutbag, however.

That's the "no true xxxx" fallacy by any other name. He is, after all, a tue xtian.

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Fisher represents a rather extreme element of the very diverse group of people we call "Christian". Using him to tar all "xtians" is not really fair. No question that Fisher is a homophobic nutbag, however.

That's the "no true xxxx" fallacy by any other name. He is, after all, a true xtian.

If I understand your position here, you are claiming that all true Scotsmen take their porridge without sugar and that anyone who disagrees with you is engaging in a "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

You've got it exactly backwards. There is no "true" Christian doctrine, just claims that are more or less typical of people who call themselves "Christian". Being homophobic and anti-abortion are certainly popular positions with some elements of the Christian community, but they are not universal. It is far from certain that they even represent majority attitudes, especially in Europe and North America.

 

[southernhybrid]

If I gave the impression that I believe that all or most Christians are climate change deniers, I apologize. It's only the most ignorant and the most extremist groups that are saying the dumb stuff in the OP. In fact, I think politics has more to do with this than religion. In fact, those on the right have found it very easy and to their advantage to manipulate some fundamentalists.

http://climatecommunication.yale.edu/publications/climate-change-in-the-american-christian-mind/

We are pleased to release the first report, “Climate Change in the American Christian Mind,” from our most recent national survey of global warming opinion. Many Americans draw, at least in part, upon their religious beliefs to guide their understanding and interpretation of climate change causes, impacts, and solutions. This report examines the global warming beliefs, risk perceptions, policy preferences, and related moral values of three major groups of American Christians – Catholics, non-evangelical Protestants, and evangelicals. It also investigates how these groups currently view Pope Francis and the extent to which he is considered a trusted voice on the issue of global warming.
Nearly seven in ten Catholics (69%) think global warming is happening, which is a higher percentage than Americans as a whole (63%). A majority of non-evangelical Protestants also think global warming is happening (62%). Evangelicals are split between those who think it is happening (51%) and those who think it’s not (27%) or don’t know (23%).

Let's not forget that Pope Francis is a Christian has spoken out about protecting the environment. We don't have to agree with Christians on a lot of things, but there is no reason to paint them all with one brush.

A post by a Christian member that must have been removed, stated that secularists are hedonistic, which is an absurd, untrue claim to make. If we don't want Christians to make gross generalizations about us, perhaps we should try and give them the same courtesy.

Having said that, there are a good number of Christian zealots who have the potential to do a lot of damage to those who don't believe the same things that they do. Sometimes, it's hard to be civil when confronted by these people. I've had it happen to me in person. I've sometimes allowed myself to get angry at a them, but in the end, this usually doesn't help change minds or educate people. It's always a losing battle to argue with those that are limited in their ability to consider that their positions may be wrong. Sometimes we are fished in by these folks but such discussions rarely end well. I should have known better than to respond to one of them. Sometimes, I just can't help myself.