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Steve Scalise: I may have attended white supremacists event

It’s probably like that time I may have accidentally attended a gay orgy. By the fifth time I anal fisted some strange guy, I was starting to suspect that I made a wrong turn when going to the Home Depot.

Who can say, though? Home Depot can be weird.
 
It’s probably like that time I may have accidentally attended a gay orgy. By the fifth time I anal fisted some strange guy, I was starting to suspect that I made a wrong turn when going to the Home Depot.

Who can say, though? Home Depot can be weird.

Maybe they accidentally attend NAMBLA meetings, and that's why so many of them turn out to be pedophiles?
 
I reject the premise. You don't have to be a white supremacist to attend a white supremacist event any more than you have to be Bronie to wander into My Little Pony convention or be a feminist to attend a feminist speech. He has nothing to apologize or make excuses for.
 
I reject the premise. You don't have to be a white supremacist to attend a white supremacist event any more than you have to be Bronie to wander into My Little Pony convention or be a feminist to attend a feminist speech. He has nothing to apologize or make excuses for.

If you attend a My Little Pony convention as a speaker talking about how you like makeup on pink ponies, then you fucking outed yourself.
 
It’s probably like that time I may have accidentally attended a gay orgy. By the fifth time I anal fisted some strange guy, I was starting to suspect that I made a wrong turn when going to the Home Depot.

Who can say, though? Home Depot can be weird.

That same thing happened to me but it was a Drag Ball. I thought I was walking into Target last Saturday and the next thing I'm in heels and a boa.

Lets give Scalise a break already. Shit happens.
 
I once wondered into WW2 recreation with real german WW2 veteran. I don't know if he was a nazi.
 
I reject the premise. You don't have to be a white supremacist to attend a white supremacist event any more than you have to be Bronie to wander into My Little Pony convention or be a feminist to attend a feminist speech. He has nothing to apologize or make excuses for.

Agreed. The part where it is complete bullshit is he was one of the fucking speakers for the rally. A bit hard to plead ignorance if you say into a microphone that you support the rally and its values.
 
I reject the premise. You don't have to be a white supremacist to attend a white supremacist event any more than you have to be Bronie to wander into My Little Pony convention or be a feminist to attend a feminist speech. He has nothing to apologize or make excuses for.

Agreed. The part where it is complete bullshit is he was one of the fucking speakers for the rally. A bit hard to plead ignorance if you say into a microphone that you support the rally and its values.

Yes, but anti-white supremacists are exactly as bad because I saw this one anti-fa guy tap someone with an umbrella! It was vicious!
 
I reject the premise. You don't have to be a white supremacist to attend a white supremacist event any more than you have to be Bronie to wander into My Little Pony convention or be a feminist to attend a feminist speech. He has nothing to apologize or make excuses for.

Agreed. The part where it is complete bullshit is he was one of the fucking speakers for the rally. A bit hard to plead ignorance if you say into a microphone that you support the rally and its values.
That depends on the invitation and the actual speech he made.
They may have underplayed the nature of the event, and their values. "Our civic group is holding a convention, we expect 2000 people. Could you come and talk for 20 minutes about immigration (or whatever)."

The car picks him up at the airport, delivers him to the rally at 7:10, he's on stage at 7:15, back to the airport by 8:00. MAYBE no idea what he just endorsed with generic "Glad to be hear" noises made while promoting his own agenda to an audience.

Maybe. I mean, it's a possibility.

If he was the keynote speaker, or had anything to do with organizing it, of course, then this scenario is completely impossible.

On the other hand, if he's TRYING to distance himself from the Alt-Right, then he really DOES need to apologize. If he did not mean to be at such an event, he needs to make a distinct statement that it was a mistake, that he or his people need to vet events more stringently, that he does not condone, etc. It's not enough to say his presence was passive, not if he's trying to take a specific stance.

Looks, though, like he's trying to have it both ways. Appeal to the non-alt-right without offending the alt-right.
 
I reject the premise. You don't have to be a white supremacist to attend a white supremacist event any more than you have to be Bronie to wander into My Little Pony convention or be a feminist to attend a feminist speech. He has nothing to apologize or make excuses for.

Agreed. The part where it is complete bullshit is he was one of the fucking speakers for the rally. A bit hard to plead ignorance if you say into a microphone that you support the rally and its values.
That depends on the invitation and the actual speech he made.
They may have underplayed the nature of the event, and their values. "Our civic group is holding a convention, we expect 2000 people. Could you come and talk for 20 minutes about immigration (or whatever)."

The car picks him up at the airport, delivers him to the rally at 7:10, he's on stage at 7:15, back to the airport by 8:00. MAYBE no idea what he just endorsed with generic "Glad to be hear" noises made while promoting his own agenda to an audience.

Maybe. I mean, it's a possibility.

If he was the keynote speaker, or had anything to do with organizing it, of course, then this scenario is completely impossible.

On the other hand, if he's TRYING to distance himself from the Alt-Right, then he really DOES need to apologize. If he did not mean to be at such an event, he needs to make a distinct statement that it was a mistake, that he or his people need to vet events more stringently, that he does not condone, etc. It's not enough to say his presence was passive, not if he's trying to take a specific stance.

Looks, though, like he's trying to have it both ways. Appeal to the non-alt-right without offending the alt-right.

It's a possibility if and only if his rhetoric already sounds similar to the rhetoric of white supremacists, which is true of most Republican politicians and voters.
 
I reject the premise. You don't have to be a white supremacist to attend a white supremacist event any more than you have to be Bronie to wander into My Little Pony convention or be a feminist to attend a feminist speech. He has nothing to apologize or make excuses for.
He spoke at it.
 
I reject the premise. You don't have to be a white supremacist to attend a white supremacist event any more than you have to be Bronie to wander into My Little Pony convention or be a feminist to attend a feminist speech. He has nothing to apologize or make excuses for.
He spoke at it.

AH. I was only going by the thread title.
 
I reject the premise. You don't have to be a white supremacist to attend a white supremacist event any more than you have to be Bronie to wander into My Little Pony convention or be a feminist to attend a feminist speech. He has nothing to apologize or make excuses for.
He spoke at it.

AH. I was only going by the thread title.
Understood. It is easy to make mistakes when you don't read beyond a Thread Title.
 
Context: for a long time, Scalise claimed that he definitely did not attend this event in 2002.

Saying that he "might have" been at that event is all but an admission.
 
I reject the premise. You don't have to be a white supremacist to attend a white supremacist event any more than you have to be Bronie to wander into My Little Pony convention or be a feminist to attend a feminist speech. He has nothing to apologize or make excuses for.
He spoke at it.

AH. I was only going by the thread title.

Even if you were just going from the thread title your argument was not reasonable, but it does demonstrate that you're willing to use bad logic to defend this kind of thing.
 
AH. I was only going by the thread title.

Even if you were just going from the thread title your argument was not reasonable

Why? Are you saying that attending an event makes you a supporter of the people who organized it? People could go for all sorts of reasons. They could go to protest it, to see how people who support it think, to report on it, or they may just wander in not knowing what it is about. I once walked into and watched an anti-Jordan Peterson feminist/trans protest event at McMaster University near where I live, back when he was first gaining his fame/notoriety for opposing what he called "force speech". The protesters against him got quite ridiculous with their chants and blind hate. I was standing among them. Does that make me one of them? I've also spent a few hours in what turned out to be a gay bar. Does that make me gay? No.
 
I agree with Underseer. Even if you believe the thread title, it merely stated the fact that a politician said X. You can't seem to separate the validity of a statement about a statement from the validity of the internally nested claim.
 
I went to an event where Antifa and Alt-Right were both scheduled to have rally/counter-rally. I went there and sold baseball bats. I sold to both sides. Which side does that mean I support?

Immoral capitalism as usual.

Btw, the point about attending something was refuted on page#1. If you don't understand the thread, don't reply to it.
 
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