They aren't actually "trick" questions, you know.

[Keith&Co.]

Q: What is the Bible?
A: The Bible is the infallible word of God.
Q: And you believe the Flood occurred because it is described in the Bible?
A: Correct.
Q: In general terms, can you give an estimate of when the Flood occurred?
A: HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE INFALLIBLE WORD OF GOD!
Q: uh...gotcha?

I wonder if this is a 'takes one to know one' sort of situation?
Maybe they're overly sensitive to the possibility of a 'gotcha' because that's in their arsenal?

Because that really does sound like a creationist argument, if reversed.

What is evolution?
The study of how life changes, and has changed, over time since the start of life on Earth.
So, what's the evolutionary explanation for where the universe came from?
There isn't one, that's not part of evolutionary theory.
Ha! You don't know! GOTCHA!
Um... no.

 

[Rhea]

Says the guy who thinks he can accurately devine intentions across the internet, using neither tone nor inflection nor facial cures nor boddy language.


Do you use an Ouiji board?

I've not tried the above yet. Facial cures , nice one.

LOL. Cues. Some typos are better laughed at than fixed! But if I ever come up with a facial cure for misunderstandings, I will be sure to let you know!

 

[skepticalbip]

And how do you decide that you have enough information to accurately conclude that? Is it actually possible that to misconstrue intent? That you aren’t “fluent” in Scientist, or Autist or Atheist? That perhaps you aren’t all-knowing? Is it so damaging to your religion to just answer the questions in good fairh?

If your answers are sound, it is never a trick, is it?

If your answers are sound yes, but IF the question was intended as a trick ,and the reply is "its not written in the bible" then the trick has failed.
"
Basically anyone can have the ability to know, scrutinizing whats being said, if they're being "lead on" by how the discussion continues on or where it leads to. (Is what I "meant" previously)

Avoiding a gotcha isn't so much a matter of the answers being sound as it is having a consistent and coherent story. A gotcha is when answering a question about one part of the story requires the contradiction of another part of the story or a contradiction of known reality outside the story. Someone should only fear a gotcha if they know the story is bullshit.

 

[Kharakov]

I took a comparative religions class in my public high school. 10th grade.

Where, when (doesn't have to be exact, just curious)? Was this part of the normal curriculum? Is this nationwide?

I don't remember that class, but I only made it to 7th grade before the corrupt sent one of their kids to beat the shit out of me every day until I had to have surgery. Of course, the goal was to get me to reject school so I'd be a competent wage slave for you pieces of shit, and it worked. Yeah for you corrupt pieces of shit!! You win! Less work, more goods for you!

 

[Keith&Co.]

Of course, the goal was to get me to reject school so I'd be a competent wage slave for you pieces of shit, and it worked.

Yeah, no one gets beat up in 7th grade just because bullies are fuckwits, must have been an evil agenda involved...

 

[Lion IRC]

Says the guy who thinks he can accurately devine intentions across the internet, using neither tone nor inflection nor facial [cues] nor body language.


Do you use an Ouiji board?

I've not tried the above yet. Facial [cues] , nice one.

You don't need to second guess intent or read body language. Emojis not required.

If a person starts off with either a sincere question or an actual trolling bait and switch, and THEN they finish with an off topic dummy spit, knocking over all the chess pieces, declaring that;
*The bible is all lies
*There's no God
*Thats not evidence
*Theres only one allowable definition of [insert abstract metaphysical/theological concept here]

…then we are reasonably allowed to conclude that such a person isn't/wasn't ever really committed to a sincere arguendo dialogue in good faith. We are entitled to question why they bothered asking in the first place. Why raise the topic of how many animals Moses took on the Ark if your debating checkmate argument is - the Flood never happened / miracles are impossible?

And there are several posters who have already admitted that they are doing it basically for shits and giggles. Scratch and sniff. Bored atheist wants a chew toy.

 

[Sarpedon]

I can't believe that you are accusing us of being dishonest when you are apparently declaring that we must accept as evidence anything that you say is evidence.

 

[Kharakov]

Of course, the goal was to get me to reject school so I'd be a competent wage slave for you pieces of shit, and it worked.

Yeah, no one gets beat up in 7th grade just because bullies are fuckwits, must have been an evil agenda involved...

Says a (an ex?) member of the corrupt US military. Totally trustworthy. You people band together to create workers like me on the bottom so you can live the easy life later, and pretend that you didn't so that you can feel good about yourselves.

If the US military wasn't comprised of completely exploitative pieces of shit, they'd have arranged for me to die LONG ago. They aren't good, so I'm alive, which is proof that they are pieces of shit.

Well, and the fact that they protect the corrupt pieces of shit who deliberately cultivate the existence of beaten down servants like me. I mean, they wouldn't do it if they weren't corrupt pieces of shit themselves.

Go bullshit someone else. Or be good and kill me. Only 2 fucking possibilities in this scenario. My death= good military. My life= deliberate exploitation by the military and their cohorts of the beaten down.

If you try and gaslight me, you're a fucking corrupt piece of shit. And you will. Or you'll ignore what I say because your only other recourse is gaslighting me into working for you corrupt pieces of shit. Sheesh.

Or you'll just, like a lazy marine ex-friend of mine, say (paraphrased) "yeah, why do you think I joined, for other people? I wanted to be comfortable."

 

[Kharakov]

If a person starts off with either a sincere question or an actual trolling bait and switch, and THEN they finish with an off topic dummy spit, knocking over all the chess pieces, declaring that;
*The bible is all lies

It might be. It would be quite impressive if they somehow managed not to say anything true in the entire bible. I'd be impressed.

If the bible was an attempt to write out a narrative that was both completely untrue, and completely true at the same time? That would be a masterpiece. I would be impressed with its creator if they somehow managed to liar's paradox the whole book.

*Thats not evidence

Since anyone can write or say anything (at least in non religion controlled countries), the bible isn't evidence. I just wrote that it isn't. I can write this in a bible.

Everyone knows that.

The only "evidence of a creator" would be a message encoded in fundamental natural constants that could not be disputed (it can't be something that "humans" select by defining the meter or gram, it has to be something like average human body temperature is 37% of the way between water's freezing and boiling points at sea level on Earth). But if would have to be a bit more precise than that, and it would have to be meaningful to anyone who found it, in any culture, at any time. And indisputable. But I said that.

Where is the indisputable evidence of this creator of the universe? All powerful and all knowing, but can't set constants in such a way that people can discover a message that they hid in the fundamental constants?

Answer this: Why don't the fundamental constants have Genesis encoded in them, and if they do, why didn't the creator of the universe give us a key to decode it?

That would be a very easy way to prove one's self to the universe. Ohh, yeah. God is largely the construct of con men. Forgot about that for a second. No bible in the constants

 

[Rhea]

If a person starts off with either a sincere question or an actual trolling bait and switch, and THEN they finish with an off topic dummy spit, knocking over all the chess pieces, declaring that;
*The bible is all lies

It might be. It would be quite impressive if they somehow managed not to say anything true in the entire bible. I'd be impressed.

If the bible was an attempt to write out a narrative that was both completely untrue, and completely true at the same time? That would be a masterpiece. I would be impressed with its creator if they somehow managed to liar's paradox the whole book.

*Thats not evidence

Since anyone can write or say anything (at least in non religion controlled countries), the bible isn't evidence. I just wrote that it isn't. I can write this in a bible.

Everyone knows that.

The only "evidence of a creator" would be a message encoded in fundamental natural constants that could not be disputed (it can't be something that "humans" select by defining the meter or gram, it has to be something like average human body temperature is 37% of the way between water's freezing and boiling points at sea level on Earth). But if would have to be a bit more precise than that, and it would have to be meaningful to anyone who found it, in any culture, at any time. And indisputable. But I said that.

Where is the indisputable evidence of this creator of the universe? All powerful and all knowing, but can't set constants in such a way that people can discover a message that they hid in the fundamental constants?

Answer this: Why don't the fundamental constants have Genesis encoded in them, and if they do, why didn't the creator of the universe give us a key to decode it?

That would be a very easy way to prove one's self to the universe. Ohh, yeah. God is largely the construct of con men. Forgot about that for a second. No bible in the constants

I don’t think the only evidence would be a code.
Why not just show up like it supposedly did for Abraham and Moses and Mary and all the others? Just stop playing hide n seek.

For a being capable of writing DNA and placing dinosaur bones at just the right depth to simulate geologic time consistent with evolution, showing up and having every human simultaneously think the same thought would be child’s play.

So tricky, the trickster god.

 

[Copernicus]

Says the guy who thinks he can accurately devine intentions across the internet, using neither tone nor inflection nor facial [cues] nor body language.


Do you use an Ouiji board?

I've not tried the above yet. Facial [cues] , nice one.

You don't need to second guess intent or read body language. Emojis not required.

If a person starts off with either a sincere question or an actual trolling bait and switch, and THEN they finish with an off topic dummy spit, knocking over all the chess pieces, declaring that;
*The bible is all lies
*There's no God
*Thats not evidence
*Theres only one allowable definition of [insert abstract metaphysical/theological concept here]

…then we are reasonably allowed to conclude that such a person isn't/wasn't ever really committed to a sincere arguendo dialogue in good faith. We are entitled to question why they bothered asking in the first place. Why raise the topic of how many animals Moses took on the Ark if your debating checkmate argument is - the Flood never happened / miracles are impossible?

And there are several posters who have already admitted that they are doing it basically for shits and giggles. Scratch and sniff. Bored atheist wants a chew toy.

Well there is one biblical detail in your argument that I would question. When did Moses get to be captain of the Ark? Personally, I don't even like Noah for the job. My favorite Ark captain was Utnapishtim. He predated Noah and had a much more solidly constructed Ark.

 

[Kharakov]

It might be. It would be quite impressive if they somehow managed not to say anything true in the entire bible. I'd be impressed.

If the bible was an attempt to write out a narrative that was both completely untrue, and completely true at the same time? That would be a masterpiece. I would be impressed with its creator if they somehow managed to liar's paradox the whole book.


Since anyone can write or say anything (at least in non religion controlled countries), the bible isn't evidence. I just wrote that it isn't. I can write this in a bible.

Everyone knows that.

The only "evidence of a creator" would be a message encoded in fundamental natural constants that could not be disputed (it can't be something that "humans" select by defining the meter or gram, it has to be something like average human body temperature is 37% of the way between water's freezing and boiling points at sea level on Earth). But if would have to be a bit more precise than that, and it would have to be meaningful to anyone who found it, in any culture, at any time. And indisputable. But I said that.

Where is the indisputable evidence of this creator of the universe? All powerful and all knowing, but can't set constants in such a way that people can discover a message that they hid in the fundamental constants?

Answer this: Why don't the fundamental constants have Genesis encoded in them, and if they do, why didn't the creator of the universe give us a key to decode it?

That would be a very easy way to prove one's self to the universe. Ohh, yeah. God is largely the construct of con men. Forgot about that for a second. No bible in the constants

I don’t think the only evidence would be a code.
Why not just show up like it supposedly did for Abraham and Moses and Mary and all the others? Just stop playing hide n seek.

For a being capable of writing DNA and placing dinosaur bones at just the right depth to simulate geologic time consistent with evolution, showing up and having every human simultaneously think the same thought would be child’s play.

So tricky, the trickster god.

disagree. A dinosaur bone or fossil is static. Planting them over time would be something that humanity could do carefully- it doesn't even require a God. So...

integrate brain tech? Possible, in the future. So so what.

The only creator of the universe revealing thing would be something hidden in the fundamental constants of the universe. A message. And it would have to be one that any deliberately created life form would be able to find and understand, and pass on to others.


Not Jesus bullshit. Something real, that can be tested. And it's not there. Nobody is talking about it. Apparently 1000s of years have passed since people created a God in their brain, and it still hasn't revealed itself to anyone who hasn't heard of it through another person. Which is why these fantasy mongers love the bible and say it's God's word. Dumb fucking douchebags.

Anyway.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Says a (an ex?) member of the corrupt US military. Totally trustworthy. You people band together to create workers like me on the bottom so you can live the easy life later, and pretend that you didn't so that you can feel good about yourselves.

yeah, except for the fdact i was the bullied one. All thru school, half my service.
But, sure, maintain your self-serving narrative. Facts are for losers.

.. arranged for me to die LONG ago. They aren't good, so I'm alive, which is proof that they are pieces of shit.

Amazing how them doing fuck all about you means they actually care...

Kinda like the Faithful that call it a miracle when their god apparently does jack and shit for them.

Go bullshit someone else.

Heh. There i was, agreeing with you, and you call it bullshit to agree with you.

Or be good and kill me. Only 2 fucking possibilities in this scenario. My death= good military. My life= deliberate exploitation by the military and their cohorts of the beaten down.

Unless i am out, and absolutely nothing i do reflects upon the military in any way. So, maybe you just cannot count fucking possibilities.

If you try and gaslight me, you're a fucking corrupt piece of shit. And you will. Or you'll ignore what I say because your only other recourse is gaslighting me into working for you corrupt pieces of shit. Sheesh.

How do i turn on English subtitles, here? Or any translation?

Or you'll just, like a lazy marine ex-friend of mine, say (paraphrased) "yeah, why do you think I joined, for other people? I wanted to be comfortable."

Oh! You have an anecdote! That's just LIKE evidence. And one lazy Marine is certainly a representative of the entire military!
Gosh, golly, what a logical juggernaut you are.
I am impressed!

Toodles!

 

[steve_bank]

Sounds like Kharokov is a communist holdover who can't deal with the reality of working for a living. A true believer in the secular communist myth of an ideal society where nobody is unhappy or ever exploited. As mythical as the Christian heaven and eternal happiness.

I have met immigrants who grew up in the Soviet Union who think that way. Religion is probably a better escape from reality.

 

[Rhea]

Kharokov, are you okay? That sounded pretty agonized. Can I offer

 

[Learner]

Says the guy who thinks he can accurately devine intentions across the internet, using neither tone nor inflection nor facial cures nor boddy language.


Do you use an Ouiji board?

I've not tried the above yet. Facial cures , nice one.

LOL. Cues. Some typos are better laughed at than fixed! But if I ever come up with a facial cure for misunderstandings, I will be sure to let you know!

I thought it humorous ,thinking it was a deliberate jest of irony ( nice one) lol. But it's a "minischule" typo compared to many of mine, I'll say admittedly. (cheers for the offer anyway )

 

[Kharakov]

yeah, except for the fdact i was the bullied one. All thru school, half my service.
But, sure, maintain your self-serving narrative. Facts are for losers.

I'm well aware that all the corrupt have back stories to fuck with those they exploit. Stories designed to make it "easier" for fools to work for their interests. It's like the Republican narrative about being the party that freed the slaves.

The original corrupt Republican bullshit: convince workers they have a chance, and they will work twice as hard, and you give them 10% more... the fools will think they won. Well, they will think they got enough, and can gradually push for a more equal share, a share they will never get.

Use the fools, set free the slaves. Hell, kill a lot of useless people in a war first, and make the slaves think that the side that won "set them free". They'll work harder, and we'll have even better lives, and we don't have to let them have too much of what they make, because they're used to getting so little.
/end conservative hidden truth

Kinda like the Faithful that call it a miracle when their god apparently does jack and shit for them.

Ehh... no. If the government was good, they'd have free death booths set up. Less mouths to feed= less resources consumed. It's the right thing to do if someone wants out. Instant death.

However, you're greedy. It's easier to feed someone and have them around when you want them for some work, when you're part of a corrupt majority, than it is to kill them (killing them means more work for you lazy pieces of shit).

Or be good and kill me. Only 2 fucking possibilities in this scenario. My death= good military. My life= deliberate exploitation by the military and their cohorts of the beaten down.

Unless i am out, and absolutely nothing i do reflects upon the military in any way. So, maybe you just cannot count fucking possibilities.

I suck at counting.

But not the military and their greedy fucking actions, how the corrupt douchebags set everything up for after they were out, so they could be lazy douchebags, sacrificing the actual good fools that joined (who weren't on board with ripping everyone off) after their service (homeless vets are those they crushed for disagreeing with the US military's policy of exploiting civilians).

If you try and gaslight me, you're a fucking corrupt piece of shit. And you will. Or you'll ignore what I say because your only other recourse is gaslighting me into working for you corrupt pieces of shit. Sheesh.

How do i turn on English subtitles, here? Or any translation?

It's probably called something else in the Navy. Gaslighting : https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...verywhere/201701/11-warning-signs-gaslighting

Or you'll just, like a lazy marine ex-friend of mine, say (paraphrased) "yeah, why do you think I joined, for other people? I wanted to be comfortable."

Oh! You have an anecdote! That's just LIKE evidence. And one lazy Marine is certainly a representative of the entire military!
Gosh, golly, what a logical juggernaut you are.

No, the world that the military props up and empowers is representative of the military. The fact that they do not defend the constitution of the US, but instead set things up so they and their cronies get the lion's share is incontrovertible evidence that they are a corrupt institution.

Yeah, anyone can join their local military. They just have to be willing to betray the rest of humanity to do so. Or they have to be foolish enough to think their service is not a betrayal of humanity. Or they just don't give a fuck, because they didn't think about it before they joined, and they betray humanity because they didn't carefully consider WTF they were doing before they did join.

I'm all for killing off every non-drafted current and past member of the US military to purify the world. That's just the right thing to do, considering they're not willing to kill off the workers they exploit for comfort. You're all pieces of shit.

 

[Kharakov]

Sounds like Kharokov is a communist holdover who can't deal with the reality of working for a living. A true believer in the secular communist myth of an ideal society where nobody is unhappy or ever exploited. I have met immigrants who grew up in the Soviet Union who think that way. Religion is probably a better escape from reality.

Ehh, no. I don't mind work. I mind exploitative douchebags taking the majority of goods. Work is good. Training is good. Education is enjoyable.

All these things are good in a society without exploitative douchebags on top. Those on top make all of these things which are good and enjoyable feel dirty and wrong. Like I'm working for people who don't deserve it. It disgusts me. And those pieces of shit in the US military pretend like they defend you while they set things up to rip you off. They disgust me. They need to be killed. All of them.

Maybe spare the fools... but they are dangerous because they can be manipulated. So.. really, death to all of them.

 

[Kharakov]

Kharokov, are you okay? That sounded pretty agonized. Can I offer

I'm happy as a fucking clam. With the exception that for whatever reason, once again, somehow a certain checkbox was unchecked which resulted in an entirely different animation than what I planned.

Maybe some checkbox is unchecked in my mind though. I think it's the "was fortunate enough to have a .38 hollow point pass through it" checkbox.

 

[steve_bank]

Sounds like Kharokov is a communist holdover who can't deal with the reality of working for a living. A true believer in the secular communist myth of an ideal society where nobody is unhappy or ever exploited. I have met immigrants who grew up in the Soviet Union who think that way. Religion is probably a better escape from reality.

Ehh, no. I don't mind work. I mind exploitative douchebags taking the majority of goods. Work is good. Training is good. Education is enjoyable.

All these things are good in a society without exploitative douchebags on top. Those on top make all of these things which are good and enjoyable feel dirty and wrong. Like I'm working for people who don't deserve it. It disgusts me. And those pieces of shit in the US military pretend like they defend you while they set things up to rip you off. They disgust me. They need to be killed. All of them.

Maybe spare the fools... but they are dangerous because they can be manipulated. So.. really, death to all of them.

This is off topic so briefly.

Yes there has been military misadventure. However post war theUS had a standing army, nuclear weapon, and a strong economy. We did not dominate, enslave, or abuse or collect tribute. Quite extraordinary in history.

We helped Europe get restarted. Today Jana, South Korea, and Germany are free and democratic and not under the military thumb of the USA as Eastern Europe ended up and Putin is trying to restore.

Our military has kept open free transit on the oceans supporting free trade. We today are countering China's move to control trade through what is considered international waters.

The list goes on. We are having a free international debate on the net due in no small part to the stability that has ben afforded by our military in conjunction with NATO. Without that there would have been chaos. Potentially WWIII in Europe with the Russians who were quite open about military dominance of the world. Poland, Hungary and the rest.

I am from a blindly ideological patriot. I look at the positives and negatives and see the balance clearly positive. If you want to continue the debate start a three on politics.

The question to ask your self is on what does post war stability and economic global growth rest on? The good will of human beings? The willingness of China and Russia to work for the common good with the west?