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Want to Dismantle Capitalism? Abolish the Family

Sophie Lewis, a feminist theorist and geographer, takes up this forgotten struggle in her work. Her new book, Full Surrogacy Now: Feminism Against Family (Verso, 2019) specifically links family abolition to a radical reconceptualization of pregnancy itself. The act of carrying a child to term, she insists, is work—labor that has long been exploited and overlooked by the academy—and so is mothering.

By thinking through the logic of commercial surrogacy arrangements, Lewis lays bare the ways motherhood has been weaponized as an ideological construct. She gives us an account of the material conditions—the biological and societal violence—that gestators, or people who are carrying fetuses, have to bear. Her book shows us that the ostensibly feminist objection to surrogacy arrangements underwrites the ossified and alienated familial relations that make capitalism possible.

This isn't about socialism. The Soviet Union (post-Stalin) was not anti-family. The Khmer Rouge, well . . . It seems that, particularly for female journalists, these exhortations that society should change is really all about me. How women wear their hair. Please stop the cat calling ('cause no one does it to me!). I know nothing about this lady, but I suspect the probabilities weigh that she is single, no prospects, and may at one point have had a guy who lost interest in her. Just a guess. Viva la revolución.
 
Formula One grid girls are evil because nobody asked me to be one.
Sex work is evil because if there is legal and stigma free way for men to get casual sex from willing professionals, I can't use my pussy as a weapon.

And so on.

But yeah, her "arguments" are as ridiculous as 90% of the trash that appears in "The Nation".
 
I could not read the article because of the pay block, but it looks interesting. So is she against surrogacy? Or is she against traditional family relationships? I am a little confused.
 
I could not read the article because of the pay block, but it looks interesting. So is she against surrogacy? Or is she against traditional family relationships? I am a little confused.

I don't have a pay block on it, but I can't say it's "interesting". It seems her main view is babies should belong to the state(?). At least that they shouldn't belong to anyone.

RH: But to be more specific, how does surrogacy as a praxis generate space for a revolutionary politics? What does it mean to demand “full surrogacy now”?

SL: Currently, the whole logic of surrogacy is to excise the surrogate from the family picture; the whole point of being a surrogate is that you are never really there. That’s something I want to challenge, the idea that babies belong to anyone—the idea that the product of gestational labor gets transferred as property to a set of people. That is actually one of the revolutionary horizons that the Sisterhood of Black Single Mothers advocated for: how children should belong to no one but themselves.

There’s a wonderful theorist, Indiana Seresin, who very helpfully gave me the phrase “impossible concept” to describe how surrogacy functions in my book. If everything is surrogacy, the whole question of original or “natural” relationships falls by the wayside. In that sense, what surrogacy means is standing in for one another, caring for one another, making one another. It’s a word to describe the very actual but also utopian fact that we are the makers of one another, and we can learn to act like it. Full surrogacy in that sense is a demand for real surrogacy: a commune, a proliferation of relations rather than a continuation of a logic, Surrogacy™, that is about propping up the propertarian, biogenetic, nuclear private household that is our main kinship model.

I'm not sure she's thought through the practical applications.

Maybe she's better at geography.
 
Want to Dismantle Capitalism? Abolish the Family

Sophie Lewis, a feminist theorist and geographer, takes up this forgotten struggle in her work. Her new book, Full Surrogacy Now: Feminism Against Family (Verso, 2019) specifically links family abolition to a radical reconceptualization of pregnancy itself. The act of carrying a child to term, she insists, is work—labor that has long been exploited and overlooked by the academy—and so is mothering.

By thinking through the logic of commercial surrogacy arrangements, Lewis lays bare the ways motherhood has been weaponized as an ideological construct. She gives us an account of the material conditions—the biological and societal violence—that gestators, or people who are carrying fetuses, have to bear. Her book shows us that the ostensibly feminist objection to surrogacy arrangements underwrites the ossified and alienated familial relations that make capitalism possible.

This isn't about socialism. The Soviet Union (post-Stalin) was not anti-family. The Khmer Rouge, well . . . It seems that, particularly for female journalists, these exhortations that society should change is really all about me.

Gee, what a shock. You didn't actually read what you were told to promulgate and rely exclusively on ad hominem and insults rather than actually addressing her point because feminism bad/feminism smash.

If you had simply read the piece without feigned defensiveness you would have noted the central thrust of her argument:

Currently, the whole logic of surrogacy is to excise the surrogate from the family picture; the whole point of being a surrogate is that you are never really there. That’s something I want to challenge, the idea that babies belong to anyone—the idea that the product of gestational labor gets transferred as property to a set of people. That is actually one of the revolutionary horizons that the Sisterhood of Black Single Mothers advocated for: how children should belong to no one but themselves.

There’s a wonderful theorist, Indiana Seresin, who very helpfully gave me the phrase “impossible concept” to describe how surrogacy functions in my book. If everything is surrogacy, the whole question of original or “natural” relationships falls by the wayside. In that sense, what surrogacy means is standing in for one another, caring for one another, making one another. It’s a word to describe the very actual but also utopian fact that we are the makers of one another, and we can learn to act like it. Full surrogacy in that sense is a demand for real surrogacy: a commune, a proliferation of relations rather than a continuation of a logic, Surrogacy™, that is about propping up the propertarian, biogenetic, nuclear private household that is our main kinship model.

She's questioning the idea that your parents own you, like property or a thing. It's literally the exact same argument every single one of you have made a thousand times throughout your childhoods any time your parents forced you to get a haircut or wear particular clothing or go to that thing you didn't want to go to or date that person they didn't want you to date or basically rebelled in any way proclaiming that it's your life and your parents responding with "while you're in my house you follow my rules" etc., etc., etc.

She's also challenging the comparatively more recent idea (read: 1950s) of a "nuclear family" (mom, dad, two kids) instead of the way we used to do it; everyone in the tribe looks out for everyone else.

But of course, this will steal your penis and make you all slaves to the feminazis so you'd best ridicule it into submission or else face armageddon because ideas are bad for people to have and if you don't ironically rebel against it, then you won't remain isolated and separated and therefore easily manipulated and turned further into consumers and nothing else.
 
feminism bad/feminism smash.

If you're arguing for turning babies over to the state

Do you never tire of strawmen? Read the damn source:

[W]hen we say we want to abolish the family, we’re not talking about taking away the few relationships and infrastructures of love that we have in this world. Of course the private household and the family are where so many of us get the vast majority of nourishment and solace. The question that family abolition is interested in is whether that’s good enough, whether that’s a good thing—that there is such a scarcity involved. We know that the nuclear private household is where the overwhelming majority of abuse can happen. And then there’s the whole question of what it is for: training us up to be workers, training us to be inhabitants of a binary-gendered and racially stratified system, training us not to be queer.

The crucial thing to understand is that motherhood is a very powerful ideological edifice. It’s not that there isn’t a massive hormonal kick that comes about after [conception], particularly during postpartum. There are endocrinal factors that make us high from the experience of caring for our neonates. But there is also a hell of a lot of ideology that makes us unable to comprehend that someone might not actually like mothering, and makes us unable to speak in slightly moderate terms about figures like Yoselyn Ortega, the nanny who killed the two babies in her care in Manhattan; that is the same case that inspired Leila Slimani’s book The Perfect Nanny. Even just talking about that excess, that monstrosity at the edge of maternal life, is surprisingly uncomfortable for our culture.
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The immediate-term prescriptions that my book implies are things to support in the here and now, such as the fact that gestational surrogates in India ought to be in charge of their own industry and seize the means of their (re)production. States should immediately meet gestational workers’ demands for more control over their obstetrics, higher pay, and the right to remain involved, if they wish, with client families. But I want to move beyond the state ultimately; to that end, it would be useful to implement a sense that it is normal for us to think about babies as made by many people. I would support policies that expand the number of people who are socially and legally recognized as central, fundamental players in the constitution of a person. Obviously this speaks to things like expanding hospital visitation rights, and so on and so forth.

One of the big political issues right now is one of family separation at the border. I’m curious about what it would change, and what it would take away, to talk about it as people being separated from one another at the border. We don’t necessarily have to reinstate the sanctity of the family as the response to why it’s a problem to put babies in cages. Like, it’s a bad idea to put people in cages! It’s a bad idea to separate young people from older people who are caring for them. When we are trying to extend direct care and solidarity to people who are crossing the border, sometimes it is necessary to articulate their right to be here, and to be together, in a language that is about the inherent worth and deservingness of the family. There are immediate consequences to choices like that, such as throwing under the bus people trying to come on their own. I’m not into these kinds of calculuses particularly, even as I see the need to do them sometimes.
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My new intellectual project has to do with care. I think the term “care” needs quite a bit of refining; I see it used in academia and social production theory as just a thing that will solve everything. I don’t disagree; for example, I think the solution to the climate crisis, in a way, is to reorient the world to privilege care over types of productive industry and consumption. But I also think that we need to stay with the violence, and grapple with the fact that currently existing care is full of abuse. I’d like to talk more about different striations of care—good, less good, bad forms of care.

Nowhere in that piece is she arguing for anything even remotely like "turning babies over to the state." It's an argument for social/philosophical awakening; or, rather, returning to/re-introducing benefits of communal care and orienting toward what could easily be called a 'Christian" mindset of loving one's neighbors and everyone taking care of each other, rather than it being what we currently have; isolationism/separatism and thinking in terms of your children being your property to do with what you want when you want and anyone who doesn't look like you or think like you is an enemy.

It's not exactly a new concept. In fact, it's centuries old. The comparatively new concept, in fact, is the "Western" (aka, "American") notion of the "nuclear family" that was literally created by Madison Ave. after WWII in order to turn everyone into consumers and consumer-oriented labor forces.
 
Yeah but the photo didn’t show her boobs so obviously she can’t even get a man!

Indeed. Weaponizing misogynist incel impotence has worked well for the alt-right alphas on their cuck betas (who, ironically, would all become alphas under the OP feminist's theories, so naturally the alphas must instruct their inferiors to denigrate it all costs without actually reading the damn thing).
 
Yeah but the photo didn’t show her boobs so obviously she can’t even get a man!
It seems odd that people just leap up front to denigrate a woman as being a barren old maid for having an opinion they haven't bothered to read. Much like others consider other women as "bimbos" if they have opinions, but are attractive.

These sorts of comments immediately indicate the dickishness in which the commentators opinions are based on, allowing for an immediate hand wave of them.
 
It's not exactly a new concept. In fact, it's centuries old. The comparatively new concept, in fact, is the "Western" (aka, "American") notion of the "nuclear family" that was literally created by Madison Ave. after WWII in order to turn everyone into consumers and consumer-oriented labor forces.
So basically you are saying that she is a reactionary who pretends to be a "progressive".
 
Nowhere in that piece is she arguing for anything even remotely like "turning babies over to the state."

She is arguing the baby does not belong to the person who births it. Regardless of who you imagine that means will make decisions regarding babies, that seems like more than enough to alienate some women.
 
Reminds me of "It Takes a Village," written by Hillary Clinton.

I recall the measured and reasonable discussion regarding that book when it was released.
 
Yeah but the photo didn’t show her boobs so obviously she can’t even get a man!
It seems odd that people just leap up front to denigrate a woman as being a barren old maid for having an opinion they haven't bothered to read. Much like others consider other women as "bimbos" if they have opinions, but are attractive.

These sorts of comments immediately indicate the dickishness in which the commentators opinions are based on, allowing for an immediate hand wave of them.

You say odd; I say predictable. Or pathetic. Tomato/tomahto.
 
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Nowhere in that piece is she arguing for anything even remotely like "turning babies over to the state."

She is arguing the baby does not belong to the person who births it. Regardless of who you imagine that means will make decisions regarding babies, that seems like more than enough to alienate some women.

But she's also right, so who cares if people are alienated by it
 
Nowhere in that piece is she arguing for anything even remotely like "turning babies over to the state."

She is arguing the baby does not belong to the person who births it.

"Belongs to" as in "property of" and she clearly and unmistakably is NOT making such an argument:

Regardless of who you imagine that means will make decisions regarding babies

She very clearly and unmistakably states it would be the parents:

[W]hen we say we want to abolish the family, we’re not talking about taking away the few relationships and infrastructures of love that we have in this world. Of course the private household and the family are where so many of us get the vast majority of nourishment and solace.

The closest she comes to anything legal is this section:

I would support policies that expand the number of people who are socially and legally recognized as central, fundamental players in the constitution of a person. Obviously this speaks to things like expanding hospital visitation rights, and so on and so forth.

That's nothing to do with making "decisions regarding babies" and instead is about changing institutional laws and arbitrary restrictions for families that want such involvement (like being able to include surrogates as part of the family unit). Obviously the exact same legality can entail opt-in or opt-out contracts, where parents who did not wish to allow any such extensions could make that clear before the birth or the like as part of the surrogacy agreement, but as it stands now, the default legality excludes such people no matter what the parents may want.

You, for example, in certain states, aren't allowed to visit the person you're dating if he or she were ever taken to the hospital, only her "immediate family." It wouldn't matter if the two of you had lived together for years (short of "common law" statutes), even if the injured party insisted and granted permission until blue in the face, you could still be denied access. It was only relatively recently (in 2011) that federal law changed and only then just in regard to Medicare/Medicaid patients.

You have missed the point entirely and are bizarrely doubling down on that fact while stuffing huge amounts of straw.
 
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