Iraqi man dies after Trump administration deports him

[ZiprHead]

What's the issue with this guy dying? He committed crimes while in a foreign country, so was kicked out of that country. At that point, the foreign country was done with him.

I assume that there are other diabetics in Iraq and some of them have survived,so this seems to be an Iraqi issue and not an American one.

I suspect the language difference played a large role in him not being able to obtain insulin and supplies.

Why? I don't think it would be even a slight problem to get insulin in this country without speaking English, or even speaking at all.

A diabetic dying from lack of insulin would take weeks. There is plenty of time, and the signs are obvious.

Argument from incredulity?

He's sleeping in the streets, has no money, no food.

 

[Artemus]

Why not Greece?

He may not have been a citizen Greek_nationality_law#Naturalization:

A child of a Greek citizen acquires Greek nationality automatically at birth. The same applies to children born in Greece whose parents have lived legally and permanently in Greece for five years.

 

[Derec]

Why not Greece?

He may not have been a citizen Greek_nationality_law#Naturalization:

A child of a Greek citizen acquires Greek nationality automatically at birth. The same applies to children born in Greece whose parents have lived legally and permanently in Greece for five years.

Certainly a much more sensible citizenship rule than our "children of tourists and illegals, even those who traveled to US specifically for the purpose, get automatic citizenship".

 

[dismal]

Why? I don't think it would be even a slight problem to get insulin in this country without speaking English, or even speaking at all.

A diabetic dying from lack of insulin would take weeks. There is plenty of time, and the signs are obvious.

Argument from incredulity?

He's sleeping in the streets, has no money, no food.

That does not seem particularly relevant to the question of whether not speaking Arabic would prevent him from getting insulin.

BTW, anyone with a smart phone can type "insulin" into it get the Arabic translation: it's "al-ansulin". Millions of people have smart phones in Iraq.

But mainly, I would think any doctor there would know a diabetic needed insulin.

It is simply not plausible he could not get insulin because he could not communicate.

And, as far as "argument from incredulity" goes, it's not my fault you made a ridiculously implausible argument.

 

[ZiprHead]

Why? I don't think it would be even a slight problem to get insulin in this country without speaking English, or even speaking at all.

A diabetic dying from lack of insulin would take weeks. There is plenty of time, and the signs are obvious.

Argument from incredulity?

He's sleeping in the streets, has no money, no food.

That does not seem particularly relevant to the question of whether not speaking Arabic would prevent him from getting insulin.

BTW, anyone with a smart phone can type "insulin" into it get the Arabic translation: it's "al-ansulin". Millions of people have smart phones in Iraq.

But mainly, I would think any doctor there would know a diabetic needed insulin.

It is simply not plausible he could not get insulin because he could not communicate.

And, as far as "argument from incredulity" goes, it's not my fault you made a ridiculously implausible argument.

He himself cited the language difference in the video. He's in a foreign land he's never been to before in his life, doesn't speak the native language, has no food or shelter or money to obtain those necessities. He also suffers from mental illness. He's schizophrenic, which has caused most of his legal issues here. The mental illness doesn't stop at the border.

The bottom line, sending this man to Iraq was stupid and cruel. You seem to have no problem with the cruelty.

 

[dismal]

He himself cited the language difference in the video.

You need to develop some critical thinking skills. Sometimes people say things no reasonable person who thought for two seconds would accept.

The guy taking that video, for example, appears to a) speak English and b) have a cell phone. If he couldn't help him get insulin it's not because of a language barrier.

If a guy showing obvious symptoms of diabetic insulin withdrawal sat there pantomiming giving himself a shot and saying "insulin, insulin, insulin" I think any doctor and most school children could manage to figure out he needed al-ansulin.

 

[dismal]

The bottom line, sending this man to Iraq was stupid and cruel. You seem to have no problem with the cruelty.

Sending this convicted violent felon to Iraq appears to have been reasonable immigration policy.

The treatment he got from the Iraqis may have been cruel, but that's on the Iraqis.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Sending this convicted violent felon to Iraq appears to have been reasonable immigration policy.

Why is it way more reasonable than sending him somewhere else, such as Greece?

If Derec got into legal problems many times before becoming a citizen, and they sent him to Iraq, would you also think more reasonable than Germany?

 

[dismal]

Sending this convicted violent felon to Iraq appears to have been reasonable immigration policy.

Why is it way more reasonable than sending him somewhere else, such as Greece?

If Derec got into legal problems many times before becoming a citizen, and they sent him to Iraq, would you also think more reasonable than Germany?

I believe I read that Iraq had signed a treaty where they had agreed to take people in these circumstances who were born in Iraq.

Maybe that would explain it. I doubt Greece or Germany would agree to take a violent felon.

 

[Gun Nut]

He was brought here at age 6 months. It's way fucking harsh to have deported him. If his crimes are the justification, then we might as well expel all convicted criminals.

OK. To where? The country they were born in? The country their parents were born in? My great, great, great, great, great, great uncle moved here from Germany in the late 1700's. On the other side of my family, it was from Russia in the early 1900's. If I cross the street against a red light, to which country should I be deported?

 

[blastula]

In that hypothetical, I'm cruel so I don't care where you go, the most I'll do is put you on a raft and let you decide.

 

[blastula]

More info on this here. Iraqi Chaldeans supported Trump. Now one of their own died after being deported - Los Angeles Times

Dumbasses.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Sending this convicted violent felon to Iraq appears to have been reasonable immigration policy.

Why is it way more reasonable than sending him somewhere else, such as Greece?

If Derec got into legal problems many times before becoming a citizen, and they sent him to Iraq, would you also think more reasonable than Germany?

I believe I read that Iraq had signed a treaty where they had agreed to take people in these circumstances who were born in Iraq.

But he was born in Greece.

 

[dismal]

I believe I read that Iraq had signed a treaty where they had agreed to take people in these circumstances who were born in Iraq.

But he was born in Greece.

OK, so what? Most countries in Europe don't have birthright citizenship. The OP article says he was an Iraqi national and Iraq took him to comply with international law.

If you need a better answer than that you're going to have to research yourself.

 

[Derec]

But he was born in Greece.

Other countries do not give automatic birthright citizenship to everybody. He was still an Iraqi.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I believe I read that Iraq had signed a treaty where they had agreed to take people in these circumstances who were born in Iraq.

But he was born in Greece.

OK, so what? Most countries in Europe don't have birthright citizenship. The OP article says he was an Iraqi national and Iraq took him to comply with international law.

If you need a better answer than that you're going to have to research yourself.

Okay great so what you originally wrote wasn't relevant but what you are writing now is relevant. Thanks for fixing your description of why it happened.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

But he was born in Greece.

Other countries do not give automatic birthright citizenship to everybody. He was still an Iraqi.

Thank you for clarifying why dismal was wrong but he already fixed his mistake.

 

[Derec]

Why is it way more reasonable than sending him somewhere else, such as Greece?

He is not Greek.

If Derec got into legal problems many times before becoming a citizen, and they sent him to Iraq,

Unlike Jimmy no-insulin, I am not an Iraqi. You make it sound like US government just thew a dart at a world map and it landed on Iraq. No, the convicted felon was an Iraqi, so they sent him there.

 

[Half-Life]

Does anyone have the statistics of "Nobel Peace Prize winner" Nazi Obama's deaths by deportation? Considering that Nazi set a record for deportations and used tears gas on families and children at the border, Nazibama must have quite a bit of blood on his hands, right?

 

[Gun Nut]

The alternative to birthright citizenship (jus soli) is called jus sanguinis (who you were born from)
Instead of "sliding into third" to get US citizenship, citizenship is granted by being born of either parent being a US citizen.

This would eliminate so-called "visitors" from getting "anchor children".

This would not eliminate almost any baby becoming citizens as they are born, just as they are today, from at least one American citizen (parent).

What's the downside?