Who Agrees Fourth Wave Feminism is Toxic Femininity And Should Be Abolished?

[Derec]

A man should be able to go to court and say, "Your honor, I did not want to have this child. The woman said, "Screw you! It's my decision!" and she had the baby anyway. I don't want to pay for a baby I never wanted in the first place. The woman can do it. She chose to have the baby."

That's a very good point, even though it will earn you a LOT of derision by the usual suspects.

A man should be able to choose not to have responsibility for a child, and the woman can make her decision (keep the baby, give it up, or abort) informed by his. A sit is right now, the man has zero choice but has to shoulder (at least) half the responsibility. That's not just.

The current system even goes as far as to say that a man has to pay as long it's his DNA even if he is specifically a sperm donor or if he is a victim of a crime (sperm theft or sexual assault for example). As long as it was his sperm that was used to conceive a child, nothing else matters. That is a very unjust state of affairs that greatly benefits women.

For example, a woman has sex with a NBA or NFL player. He is not as dumb as he looks and used a condom. She however, steals the used condom and turkey bastes the contents into her vagina when she knows she is "obulatin'", so she can collect $100,000 or so in child support, because it scales with income. That is theft and fraud but under current matriarchal laws she gets rewarded for her toxic feminine behavior.

 

[Derec]

Ah yes, the infamous welfare queen myth.

It's not a myth. Having a lot of children can get you a lot of government benefits. Federal and state exemptions, EITC, child tax credit, food stamps, housing subsidies, Medicaid etc. are all either only available or are much more generous if you have children, and the amount of benefit scales with number of children (but marginal cost for each subsequent child is less, making it more profitable to have more children).

Why else do you think poor women end up with multiple children from multiple fathers? Do you really think she is not having all these kids on purpose?

 

[Derec]

The big distinction of the "fourth wave" is the widespread use of social media. First and second wave (stupid terminology) feminists have been fighting against assault, harassment,

And they defined both "assault" and "harassment" very, very broadly. Not dissimilar to what 4th wave #metoo feminists are doing, when even naked paintings in museums are seen as "problematic".

equal pay and

They are certainly not for equal pay for equal work. The oft cited 73 cents on the dollar does not account for type of work done, education, experience or hours worked. What feminists really want is equal pay for unequal work, like paying cashiers who don't have to lift heavy boxes the same as warehouse workers who do. Note, these women don't want to work at the warehouse; they just want to be paid as if they worked at the warehouse. "Equal pay" as used by feminists is a scam!

bodily autonomy for decades.

Second wave feminists were against things like sex work and porn. I.e. they were against bodily autonomy of people (men and women) they disagreed with.
Second wave feminists even worked with religious conservatives like AG Ed Meese to fight the "scourge" of porn. Similar to today when left-wing anti-porn feminists like Gail Dines make common cause with right-wing religious conservatives to pass anti-porn legislation.

No "wave" of feminism has to by definition be toxic, and toxic feminism isn't restricted to any "wave" either.

Correct. While definitions of "waves" may be muddled, 2nd wave feminism (Dworkin, Steinem, Brownmiller, MacKinnon, French et al) is as bad as any of the radfems active today calling themselves "4th wave". The only difference is social media.

 

[Derec]

Generally, the person asking the other person out is offering to pay. It's always been my and my dates' understanding.

How convenient for the women that men are expected (by the supposedly patriarchal but really more matriarchal than anything) society to be the ones asking AND paying.

If you violate this convention, and do not make that intention clear up front, then you are just using feminism as an excuse to be selfish.

Expecting to split the check is not "selfish". What is selfish is women going on dates for the sole purpose of eating free food.
A third of women only date men because of the free food: study
The headline is a bit inaccurate - a third of women ADMIT to such duplicitous behavior, but many others are no doubt doing it without admitting it.
I would say that counts as toxic female behavior. Would you?

Men will pay a lot if they think dinner counts as foreplay.

If you have to pay for her company, she's a ho.

 

[Arctish]

Men will pay a lot if they think dinner counts as foreplay.

If you have to pay for her company, she's a ho.

If you're paying because you think it will lead to sex, you're a slut.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You don't agree that if poor people stopped getting benefits, they would spend their money on the basic needs for the family instead of booze and drugs?

If the families basic needs are taken care of because of the government, now they have extra money to party! Why do you think poor people are the most likely to do drugs and smoke cigarettes? Because whenever they have extra money, they run to the liquor store.

No. What you are actually seeing is addictions are often more powerful than caring for family. It's not that they spend any extra at the liquor store, it's that an addict is likely to spend money at the liquor store before they spend money on their children.

 

[Derec]

If you're paying because you think it will lead to sex, you're a slut.

Why are you paying though?

 

[Arctish]

If you're paying because you think it will lead to sex, you're a slut.

Why are you paying though?

Sometimes I treat people to a meal because I like them and I like doing it. Not because I think I will lead to sex, because that would be slutty.

"Oh, look, Arctish is picking up the tab. She must be feeling horny".

 

[Keith&Co.]

Men will pay a lot if they think dinner counts as foreplay.

If you have to pay for her company, she's a ho.

If you're paying because you think it will lead to sex, you're a slut.

Well, that's what men tell each other. There is a ritual to show a girl you are worth spending time with. You can be spontaneous, caring, original, entertaining, and listen to her.
Or, (B), you can spend money on her. (B) is very popular as it involves less taxing thought.

 

[Half-Life]

You don't agree that if poor people stopped getting benefits, they would spend their money on the basic needs for the family instead of booze and drugs?

If the families basic needs are taken care of because of the government, now they have extra money to party! Why do you think poor people are the most likely to do drugs and smoke cigarettes? Because whenever they have extra money, they run to the liquor store.

No. What you are actually seeing is addictions are often more powerful than caring for family. It's not that they spend any extra at the liquor store, it's that an addict is likely to spend money at the liquor store before they spend money on their children.

Why do you think in poor areas there's a liquor store on every corner? Because a lot of poor people DO spend their money on booze. They also spend it on lottery tickets. Lottery tickets are also referred to as a "poor people's tax" because they buy them so often. Don't act like you guys have never walked into a convenience store and never seen poor people scratching lottery tickets away like their lives depended on it. I seen tons of people wearing shirts and pants with ripped holes in them as they throw $40 at the cashier for lottery tickets.

You don't think that's a problem?!?!?!

 

[Half-Life]

Also, if we live in a society that caters to men, why is it "women and children first" on lifeboats if a ship is sinking? If society was all about treating men better than women, why isn't it, "Men and children first" on the lifeboats?

Did this slip by the patriarchy?

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Also, if we live in a society that caters to men, why is it "women and children first" on lifeboats if a ship is sinking? If society was all about treating men better than women, why isn't it, "Men and children first" on the lifeboats?

Did this slip by the patriarchy?

Men, not women or children design the ships and the number of life boats available. This then is an incentive to make sure there are enough life boats for all. The moral of this story is, don't hire stupid men to make such decisions. And, a stupid captain goes down with his ship. Now, was that hard?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Also, if we live in a society that caters to men, why is it "women and children first" on lifeboats if a ship is sinking? If society was all about treating men better than women, why isn't it, "Men and children first" on the lifeboats?

Did this slip by the patriarchy?

Wehave adopted the self-image of honorable and chivalric behavior, which includes being the protectors if the weak.
Which gives us more patriarchal authority, and allows us to pretend to superiority over women, as they will never have to ho down with the ship. And we define them as the weaker sex. Which gies right out the window if jen ever gad to go thru childbirth...

 

[Patooka]

Also, if we live in a society that caters to men, why is it "women and children first" on lifeboats if a ship is sinking? If society was all about treating men better than women, why isn't it, "Men and children first" on the lifeboats?

Did this slip by the patriarchy?

Noblesse oblige look it up. Also, I can't think of a situation in my life recently where "women and children first" protocol would be required, but I can think of several instances at work where women are held to a higher standard than men in terms of attitude and appearance. This is particularly true when the judgement calls are being made by men who are, to put it politely, "men's rights activist". Or cunts, if you prefer a simpler description.

Simply put, use virtue signalling in very rare atypical circumstances (eg "women and children first") whilst perpetuating prejudices on the mundane and people like yourself are easily confused.

 

[Metaphor]

Men will pay a lot if they think dinner counts as foreplay.

If you have to pay for her company, she's a ho.

If you're paying because you think it will lead to sex, you're a slut.

No: a slut is somebody who is promiscuous. Paying for sex makes you a 'john' or 'client'.

 

[fromderinside]

AW. It's been hours. Can't someone squeeze a bit more chauvinism out of this OP.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

If you're paying because you think it will lead to sex, you're a slut.

No: a slut is somebody who is promiscuous. Paying for sex makes you a 'john' or 'client'.

I suppose you could be both at the same time. Somebody who pays for lots of sex with different people.

I think it's about time both of those stop being looked down on.

 

[Half-Life]

AW. It's been hours. Can't someone squeeze a bit more chauvinism out of this OP.

How is this chauvinism? There was certainly a point where women were not equal. That was true. But now, women have more rights than men. They went right past equality and into superiority. If you point this out, you get labeled a chauvinist. It's the last refuge of the debunked. It's a way to silence all opinions. Women have everything in this society.

Just like pointing out that blacks tend to kill other blacks at a WAY HIGHER RATE than any whites kill blacks. Gangsta rap glorifies blacks killing blacks over money and drugs. You get called "racist!" for this despite just saying the facts.

 

[Keith&Co.]

AW. It's been hours. Can't someone squeeze a bit more chauvinism out of this OP.

How is this chauvinism? There was certainly a point where women were not equal. That was true. But now, women have more rights than men. They went right past equality and into superiority. If you point this out, you get labeled a chauvinist. It's the last refuge of the debunked. It's a way to silence all opinions. Women have everything in this society.

Just like pointing out that blacks tend to kill other blacks at a WAY HIGHER RATE than any whites kill blacks. Gangsta rap glorifies blacks killing blacks over money and drugs. You get called "racist!" for this despite just saying the facts.

What constitutionsl rights do women have that men do not, Halfie? Should be easy to list them if thus is simply pointing out the facts....

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

AW. It's been hours. Can't someone squeeze a bit more chauvinism out of this OP.

Exactly. Half the posts are derogatory about women and most of the rest are micro-outrages about anecdotes about feminists.