Pro-Lifer says, "Let them die if it costs me money"

[Patooka]

But, you guys insult Trump all the time! He gets insulted all the time

Incidentally, this is how you quote people properly to highlight how completely full of shit they are. Just saying...

I'm talking about publicly in a debate. When Trump insulted Hilary, Hilary just stood there and smiled.

That's not what you said though, was it? I'm not a mind reader, I can only go by what you say. Maybe you need to think some more before you post. The has been pointed out to you before.

Also, using Hillary showing some decorum in a debate four years ago as "proof" that people are afraid of publicly insulting Trump is a fucking piss-weak argument. People have publicly called Trump's mouth "Putin's cock holster" Trump gets into a hissy fit daily because people ask him "nasty" questions (sensible people describe it as journalists doing their jobs). Seriously, the only people afraid of insulting Trump are FOX News and Republican politicians. Everyone else is struggling to find new and inventive ways to call the thin skinned cunt out, because it's all been said to him before.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Ah, found it.

Joint replacement, bariatric surgery and cosmetic surgery, “except for emergency or trauma-related surgery where postponement would significantly impact the health, safety, and welfare of the patient,” are among the medical procedures listed in the order.

So, not all of it's illegal. The dictors will have to judge how critical it is to do RIGHT NOW. If it's something you can live with, better off not plaguing the doc with it....

 

[ZiprHead]

Tucker was explaining that in Michigan it's still legal to buy lottery and alcohol! Abortion is still legal! Guess what's baned? Joint replacement surgery. That's right. If you can't walk due to your joints grinding down to bone on bone, she says that is not essential.

What a boneheaded governor, seriously. Lottery and alcohol and abortion are essential though! Who voted for that moron?

Yes, grocery stores sell lottery and alcohol. Grocery stores are considered essential businesses. Abortion is not something you can put off and wait for later like a hip surgery can.

Keeping people out of hospitals full of CV 19 patients is a good thing, no?

That excuse doesn't work. She opened up some stores but said certain sections of the store can't be used, such as the carpet section. She could say, "grocery stores are open but lottery and alcohol sections are closed."

Very hypocritical, isn't it? She can close the carpet section of an opened store so you can't buy carpet, but she won't close the lottery and alcohol sections? Very braindead, huh?

And hip surgery is essential. People can't move without the surgery. She's telling those people to essentially f off. I bet if she needed a replacement, she'd get it right away though.

As I told you guys before, I have a friend who works at 711 and he said people come in at 2am for a bag of doritors and soda. That is not essential. People are abusing it. Just like going into a grocery store for a lottery ticket and a 6 pack is not essential. They shouldn't allow people to do that if it's such a pandemic.

I don't know what grocery stores you shop at but the alcohol is sold in the grocery section and the lottery is sold at the service desk. As you said, both need to remain open.

And I've never seen a grocery store that sells carpeting.

Hospitals stopped doing elective surgery all on their own way before any lockdown occured. There is no order by the governor to stop elective surgery. If Tucker told you there was, he unsurprisingly lied to you.

 

[Half-Life]

That excuse doesn't work. She opened up some stores but said certain sections of the store can't be used, such as the carpet section. She could say, "grocery stores are open but lottery and alcohol sections are closed."

Very hypocritical, isn't it? She can close the carpet section of an opened store so you can't buy carpet, but she won't close the lottery and alcohol sections? Very braindead, huh?

And hip surgery is essential. People can't move without the surgery. She's telling those people to essentially f off. I bet if she needed a replacement, she'd get it right away though.

As I told you guys before, I have a friend who works at 711 and he said people come in at 2am for a bag of doritors and soda. That is not essential. People are abusing it. Just like going into a grocery store for a lottery ticket and a 6 pack is not essential. They shouldn't allow people to do that if it's such a pandemic.

I don't know what grocery stores you shop at but the alcohol is sold in the grocery section and the lottery is sold at the service desk. As you said, both need to remain open.

And I've never seen a grocery store that sells carpeting.

Hospitals stopped doing elective surgery all on their own way before any lockdown occured. There is no order by the governor to stop elective surgery. If Tucker told you there was, he unsurprisingly lied to you.

The governer herself was talking about it!! She admitted joint replacement surgery is illegal and if a doctor performs it, it's a criminal offense.

C'mon guys. Her own words can not be propaganda.

 

[Half-Life]

Ah, found it.

Joint replacement, bariatric surgery and cosmetic surgery, “except for emergency or trauma-related surgery where postponement would significantly impact the health, safety, and welfare of the patient,” are among the medical procedures listed in the order.

So, not all of it's illegal. The dictors will have to judge how critical it is to do RIGHT NOW. If it's something you can live with, better off not plaguing the doc with it....

Sure, just like people can live with sciatica, extreme back pain, bone grinding on bone, but it's not practical. Who wants to be in pain every day because the government told you that you don't need surgery?

There wouldn't be pain medication, then. "Oh, you can technically live with a migraine. You won't die from one. No need for pain meds."

 

[ZiprHead]

Oh, by the way, Halfie. Do you know why 7-11s are called 7-11?

Because they were open from 7 am to 11 pm. There's no requirement they be open all night long.

Also, here in our little city, a 9 pm to 6 am curfew has just been imposed because people were joy-riding and going house to house to party. Travel during that time is restricted to those going to and from essential work.

 

[Half-Life]

Oh, by the way, Halfie. Do you know why 7-11s are called 7-11?

Because they were open from 7 am to 11 pm. There's no requirement they be open all night long.

Also, here in our little city, a 9 pm to 6 am curfew has just been imposed because people were joy-riding and going house to house to party. Travel during that time is restricted to those going to and from essential work.

which is dumb on its own. When you're driving in your car, you are protected and way farther than the 6 foot rule. People in grocery stores are closer to each other. Yet, driving is a problem? This is why government is dumb. They ban the stuff that makes no difference but permit the stuff that would make a difference.

Oh no! I'm driving down a road all by myself at midnight! I'm really spreading the disease!

As I also said, the McDonald's in my town is still open 24 hours. I guess that 2am big mac with large fries and a coke is essential! And at the 711 my friend works at he was saying that 65-70 year old men come in at 2-3am for cigarettes and nothing else. Guess that is essential, too! The most vulnerable demographic to the disease is given permission to get cigarettes at 2--3am! Yippee!

 

[ZiprHead]

Oh, by the way, Halfie. Do you know why 7-11s are called 7-11?

Because they were open from 7 am to 11 pm. There's no requirement they be open all night long.

Also, here in our little city, a 9 pm to 6 am curfew has just been imposed because people were joy-riding and going house to house to party. Travel during that time is restricted to those going to and from essential work.

which is dumb on its own. When you're driving in your car, you are protected and way farther than the 6 foot rule. People in grocery stores are closer to each other. Yet, driving is a problem? This is why government is dumb. They ban the stuff that makes no difference but permit the stuff that would make a difference.

Oh no! I'm driving down a road all by myself at midnight! I'm really spreading the disease!

As I also said, the McDonald's in my town is still open 24 hours. I guess that 2am big mac with large fries and a coke is essential!

I told you why the curfew was imposed. You glossed over like it was never said. I don't give a shit what is happening in your backwater hickville. If your state governor wants to get people killed, I guess that's his or her prerogative.

 

[Half-Life]

Oh, by the way, Halfie. Do you know why 7-11s are called 7-11?

Because they were open from 7 am to 11 pm. There's no requirement they be open all night long.

Also, here in our little city, a 9 pm to 6 am curfew has just been imposed because people were joy-riding and going house to house to party. Travel during that time is restricted to those going to and from essential work.

which is dumb on its own. When you're driving in your car, you are protected and way farther than the 6 foot rule. People in grocery stores are closer to each other. Yet, driving is a problem? This is why government is dumb. They ban the stuff that makes no difference but permit the stuff that would make a difference.

Oh no! I'm driving down a road all by myself at midnight! I'm really spreading the disease!

As I also said, the McDonald's in my town is still open 24 hours. I guess that 2am big mac with large fries and a coke is essential!

I told you why the curfew was imposed. You glossed over like it was never said. I don't give a shit what is happening in your backwater hickville. If your state governor wants to get people killed, I guess that's his or her prerogative.

How is driving in a car with the windows up with no cars in sight getting people killed? You're more likely to get killed by 70 year old men getting cigarettes at 2am because "essential" or something.

 

[ZiprHead]

I told you why the curfew was imposed. Either address that or STFU with your strawmen.

 

[TSwizzle]

Also, here in our little city, a 9 pm to 6 am curfew has just been imposed because people were joy-riding and going house to house to party.

*gasp, clutches pearls* The MONSTERS !!! Were there any casualties?

 

[atrib]

Except that many conservatives are also heavily driven by greed and/or fealty to free market dogma. So, the economic impact of the shutdown is unacceptable.

That's one way of looking at it I suppose. Another way of looking at it would be that there are hundreds of thousands of small business owners that are facing the absolute destruction of their livelihoods because of the irrational extension of the shutdown. They are not driven by greed, they are driven by survival and they are not necessarily conservative. So yeah, the economic impact of the shutdown is unacceptable.

You are presenting a false dichotomy, either we keep the lockdowns in place and our economy suffers, or we open everything up and the economy comes back to life while some people die. The choice is not as black and white as you make it out to be. Opening up the country today and lifting all stay-home restrictions would mean the unrestricted growth of covid-19, with deaths potentially numbering in the millions and the number of people needing urgent medical attention in the tens of millions. These are speculations, but given how rapidly the virus spreads, and how many people infected by the virus require urgent medical care, not out of the realm of reasonable possibility. Do you imagine that in this scenario where 10,000 people die each day and another 50,000 need hospital care that they cannot get, the economy would continue to function as if nothing were going on? How many people would be eating at restaurants, taking a vacation or a cruise, going to the mall or to the movies, and making large investments in new cars and homes? What would we do as more and more doctors and nurses fall sick and/or die from infection? Do you really see the economy bouncing back under such conditions?

We have no choice in the matter. We are at war with an unthinking, unfeeling enemy that can replicate itself trillions of times in a single day within a single host, and jump from one host to another with little effort. We have no defense against this enemy. No treatment, no vaccine. The only way to fight this enemy is to stop its spread, until we are able to build up our defenses. Lifting stay-home restrictions would simply kill many, many more people, cause untold misery, and reduce our healthcare system to tatters. And do nothing to bring the economy back. We are in deep shit and we need to put up with the stench until we have stopped it. We have no other choice.

 

[TSwizzle]

The hysteria is a bit over the top fella. Hyperbolic in fact.

 

[Ford]

The hysteria is a bit over the top fella. Hyperbolic in fact.

Not really, no.

There's a counter keeping track of the human cost of this pandemic that's updated hourly:

https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en

As of this moment, the number of cases in the US has passed 700,000 and the death toll is at 32,000.

That's ten 9/11's worth. Or in pandemic terms, 14 grand more than died from H1N1 in the US over the course of almost 18 months. More than half the US deaths from the entire Vietnam War. After just three months.

If the infection rate matches that of H1N1 (61 million Americans) and the mortality rate is held to a modest 1 percent (it is currently 3 times that, but whatever), more people would die over the course of a year than from cancer, or heart disease, or the entire American Civil War. If the mortality rate continues at it's current pace, the death toll could be in the millions.

This is a serious problem, and people like yourself who are poo-pooing it as little more than "hysteria" are both wrong and dangerous to public health. Anyone (like the idiot referenced in the OP) who insists the economy must be saved at the cost of human lives is downright homicidal. I fall into the "high risk" category, being older, with diabetes and some cardiovascular issues. I also work for a grocery chain, and while I don't work in the main store, I interact with the public daily. I'm taking a chance of being infected and if that happens, I've got a better than average chance of living out my last few weeks hooked up to a ventilator.

Am I hysterical? I don't think so, but you're basically right there with the guy in the OP and Halfie saying "fuck you, get back to work."

 

[bigfield]

Except that many conservatives are also heavily driven by greed and/or fealty to free market dogma. So, the economic impact of the shutdown is unacceptable.

That's one way of looking at it I suppose. Another way of looking at it would be that there are hundreds of thousands of small business owners that are facing the absolute destruction of their livelihoods because of the irrational extension of the shutdown. They are not driven by greed, they are driven by survival and they are not necessarily conservative. So yeah, the economic impact of the shutdown is unacceptable.

Many small businesses are screwed either way.

Open up the economy and the pandemic will ruin them.
Keep the economy locked down and the lockdown will ruin them.

Of course, there's another option: pay them to go into hibernation. Legislate moratoriums on commercial rents and business loan repayments. Pay their employees' wages. Then once it is safe to open up the economy, there will still be businesses around to actually have an economy.

You don't have to choose between business survival and pandemic prevention. You can have both.

 

[TSwizzle]

When you start trotting out “ten 9/11s worth” then yes, you really are hysterical. You need to calm down.

 

[TSwizzle]

Open up the economy and the pandemic will ruin them..

How exactly will the pandemic ruin them ? Everyone drops dead in three, four weeks ? The vast, vast majority of people recover from the virus. In fact, it turns out there are many people that had it and never knew it.

 

[Ford]

When you start trotting out “ten 9/11s worth” then yes, you really are hysterical. You need to calm down.

So 30,000 dead in a few months doesn't bother you at all. At what point will you begin to be slightly concerned? A hundred thousand? A million?

 

[TSwizzle]

When you start trotting out “ten 9/11s worth” then yes, you really are hysterical. You need to calm down.

So 30,000 dead in a few months doesn't bother you at all. At what point will you begin to be slightly concerned? A hundred thousand? A million?

I am very concerned. But not to the point that society should come to a standstill. This virus is going to have to run its course. We tolerate tens of thousands of deaths from flu every year with barely a murmur. This is just going to be part of life now.

 

[bigfield]

Open up the economy and the pandemic will ruin them..

How exactly will the pandemic ruin them ? Everyone drops dead in three, four weeks ? The vast, vast majority of people recover from the virus. In fact, it turns out there are many people that had it and never knew it.

It wouldn't be over in three, four weeks.

Firstly, some people don't want to die from COVID-19, or get other people killed through their negligence. So even in the absence of a government shutdown, much of the economy will remain in a self-imposed shutdown.

Secondly, some other people are idiots. They'll go to the the re-opened nightclubs, restaurants, parties and other social gatherings and they'll act as super-spreaders. They'll keep the pandemic long after it should have been squashed, and they'll keep everyone else in isolation for longer.

So instead of a relatively quick lockdown, or as you suggest, a relatively quick die-off, there would be a protracted period of economic stagnation and uncertainty. Many businesses would go broke because they can neither plan for a relatively short hibernation nor a relatively quick return to business as usual.