When the presuppositional atheist asks for evidence that God has acted in the world (immanence) having already decided that there is NO such evidence - thats DISHONEST.
Not dishonest.
It is intellectually dishonest.
Note - I dont think of
you as intellectually dishonest because you dont strike me as a presuppositional atheist.
Simply noting that this God thing never shows up when needed.
No. You dont get to
note that. Firstly, you cant state that no other human in history has ever had God show up when needed. Secondly,
you dont get to define what constitutes necessity. How would
you know when it is needed for God to show up and do what you personally believe is necessary for human kind?
Cheerful Charlie's will be done on earth as it is in heaven?
In the Bible, God shows himself numerous times to the Israelites. Leading them to Canaan as a pillar of fire by night, a pillar of fire by day. God appears to 73 elders of Israel, and twerks for Moses. His voices booms down from the heavens when John the Baptist baptizes Jesus. But now, no more of this calibre of appearances for modern man.
So if a 'modern man' heard God talking, you
would believe God is real?
God never halted massive epidemics, like small pox, the plague, or covid-19.
Do we still have an ongoing epidemic of the bubonic plague? Somebody stopped it.
God, supposedly perfectly good demands massacres, murders.
President Obama ordered the murder of Usama Bin Laden. Is Obama a good man or an evil man?
When as an atheist, I look hard at claims about God, and not just the mythological claims, but the deeper theological claims, God simply fails as a viable proposition.
Contesting a deep theological proposition and arguing from incredulity as to historical claims is not an atheist slam dunk.
I can make exactly the same argument against your atheology.
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I find it impossible to believe the universe has always existed. I find non-theistic moral epistemology meaningless.
In the thread The God Zoo, I listed a few atheological arguments that demonstrated this God concept is not viable. Nobody demonstrated that I was wrong in any meaningful manner.
WOW. You won an argument on the internet? Here's your gold medal.
The Moral Nature Of Man Argument for example. If God creates all and is essentially omniscient, we lack free will and all moral evil that has existed, exists, and will exist is God's creation.
Sigh...you do NOT require God to be ignorant of the future in order to freely decide whether to have a coke or a pepsi.
You do not even need to be aware that God
exists before making such a choice.
Look. Think about this argument for free will.
God is theoretically all powerful, yes? God could force you to do something if He wanted you to do it, yes?
Such a scenario - God exerting His coercive power over you would be the opposite of free will, right?
Therefore, when God is NOT forcing you do a certain thing, that is free will. And God can allow you such freedom without turning off His omniscient abilities.
We can observe the Universe, material, natural world, but not a sign of any supernatural world with thinking entities that are capable or being proven to exist.
..no sign of God apart from that great big universe which suddenly appeared 13.9 billion years ago?
A God out of time, or the old Simple God without parts has too many problems with the basic claims about God to give it any credence.
Competing descriptions of God are not a credence issue for me. Every single theist who claims God is an elephant trunk, or a tusk, or a flapping ear, or a tail - all unanimously agree that God IS a
something real.
Revelation? Which revelation? So many revelations, that must be wrong we know mankind makes up supposed revelation by the boat load. So is it possible all revelations are nonsense?
Imagine if I said the scientific method should be rejected because not all scientists agree on 'stuff'.
Yes. What evidence is their for Christianity and not say, Islam?
Islam says Noah, Job, Adam, Abraham, Moses etc etc all said and did the same things as the Christian bible.
Islam corroborates Christianity in more ways that it competes with Christianity.
And ALL forms of theism corroborate the sensory experienced existence of a Higher Power(s).
What argumentum ad populam do you have in support of atheism.
The Bible has been demonstrated to be a pack of faux histories that archaeology has debunked...
Nope.