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lynch
[lin(t)SH]
VERB
(of a mob) kill (someone), especially by hanging, for an alleged offense with or without a legal trial.
"her father had been lynched for a crime he didn't commit" · [more]
synonyms:
hang · hang by the neck · execute · put to death · kill · murder · string up · do in · bump off · knock off · slay · gibbet

If someone murdered a person by hanging them, they lynched that person.

It always amazes--no, stuns me to see the lengths you will go to in order to avoid considering that maybe some people have it out for other people because they're black.

Toni, I agree with you that the odds of these 5 hanging deaths being coincidental and unrelated to the racial tensions are essentially zero. Not only is it extremely rare in the last century (never even heard of a case in my life) for people to hang themselves from a tree in a public place, but black men are 1/4 as likely as white men to kill themselves in general. Five such suicides in a week has a random chance probability of less than 1 in a million.

However, there are at least alternative possibilities to simple random chance. One is that they are suicides, but they are non-random and triggered by the racial unrest, using a "lynching" technique in order to make a statement. Another is they are non-racially motivated killings (which could include gang killings) that used the "lynching" technique either as a cover-up/misdirect or to make political statement on top of the real reasons for the killings. Finally, there is the possibility that they are actual racially motivated lynchings. And of course, they could be a mixture of these. Either way, they certainly warrant additional Federal investigation, especially the proven general incompetence and bias of local police departments who have ruled the "suicides".
 
From George Washington thread:

Especially suspicious given that there have been reports of nooses left lying around various communities.
It's worth noting that there are plenty of whites who detest blacks with the same level of disgust that the Nazis demonized Jews. It would not surprise me one bit to find that they are killing blacks.

While there are people of all races that have that kind of hatred for the other, "plenty" is quite an exaggeration. And it is pretty racist to single out white people for that kind of accusation. If you look at FBI data, more than twice as many black people kill white people than white people who kill black people. And yet the media only focuses on the latter, even if they have to sensationalize.

I can appreciate your apologetics because I lived in the south for many years.
 
“And nothing else to put it into correct perspective” is the missing component to your repeated use of this idiotic apologetic.
What perspective? What is idiotic here is continuous deliberate dismissal of facts to perpetuate the narrative about "racist" whites killing "oppressed" blacks. This narrative has become an article of faith for fauxgressives and whoever challenges it is labeled a heretic.
 
Toni, I agree with you that the odds of these 5 hanging deaths being coincidental and unrelated to the racial tensions are essentially zero.
I disagree.

Not only is it extremely rare in the last century (never even heard of a case in my life) for people to hang themselves from a tree in a public place,
Not really that rare as to make six cases very improbable.
Just a few years ago we had a black man who hanged himself inside Piedmont Park (the main park in Atlanta). There were claims (with zero evidence) that it was lynching, but it turned out to be a suicide.
And one of the six recent cases, Marcel Harsch, has been confirmed to have hanged himself - there is video of him hanging himself.

So much for the fairy tale that black men don't hang themselves in public ...

As to the remaining five, there is no video evidence showing them committing suicide, but there is no evidence of foul play either. To categorically state that these cases are all "lynchings" is very presumptuous.

but black men are 1/4 as likely as white men to kill themselves in general.
[citation needed]

Five such suicides in a week has a random chance probability of less than 1 in a million.
Can you show your math?

However, there are at least alternative possibilities to simple random chance. One is that they are suicides, but they are non-random and triggered by the racial unrest, using a "lynching" technique in order to make a statement.
Certainly possible.

Another is they are non-racially motivated killings (which could include gang killings) that used the "lynching" technique either as a cover-up/misdirect or to make political statement on top of the real reasons for the killings.
Yes, that is something I mentioned to Toni.

Finally, there is the possibility that they are actual racially motivated lynchings. And of course, they could be a mixture of these. Either way, they certainly warrant additional Federal investigation, especially the proven general incompetence and bias of local police departments who have ruled the "suicides".
What is your evidence of "general incompetence and bias" of these particular local police departments?
Not that I think additional investigation would hurt. But I doubt even FBI concluding that they were suicides would placate the race-warriors.

By the way, have you heard that the half brother of one of those six men got himself killed by LA County deputies.
Man fatally shot by deputies in Rosamond had allegedly held woman captive for days
ABC7 said:
The half-brother of a black man recently found hanged in a Southern California park was fatally shot by police after opening fire on deputies about to arrest him on charges he beat his girlfriend and held her captive for nearly a week, according to authorities and court documents.
 
lynch
[lin(t)SH]
VERB
(of a mob) kill (someone), especially by hanging, for an alleged offense with or without a legal trial.
"her father had been lynched for a crime he didn't commit" · [more]
synonyms:
hang · hang by the neck · execute · put to death · kill · murder · string up · do in · bump off · knock off · slay · gibbet

If someone murdered a person by hanging them, they lynched that person.

Read the definition again. Lynching is not a real synonym for "murder by hanging" - dictionary lists of synonyms have to be used carefully and with consideration of usage and context as otherwise you are liable to end up with phrases such as "8' profound pool".
Lynching requires a mob and a killing for an alleged offense without a legal trial. In US race context, it also includes racially motivated mob killings.
If you went and murdered somebody because of a personal grievance or for monetary gain and made it look like a suicide by hanging, that would not be a lynching.

It always amazes--no, stuns me to see the lengths you will go to in order to avoid considering that maybe some people have it out for other people because they're black.
Then be un-amazed, because I never said anything like that.

Of course maybe one or more of these six were killed because they are black. But there is, as of now, no evidence that it was homicide, much less about motive or culprits. Therefore, you can't assume it was a lynching like Politesse was claiming.
 
So, white killers have to really go out of their way if they want to target blacks, in fact, six times more out of their way than blacks who want to target whites. Therefore, if both races were acting similarly in terms of how often they go out of their proximity to target the other race, then the white:black ratio of victims killed by whites should be about 6 times higher than the black:white ratio killed by blacks. ...

What? What would it mean to go out of your way to target another race for killing? Do you think interracial murders are random?
 
IOW, independent of overall crime rates, when you account for the differences in random probability that are determined by the 6 fold greater proportion of potential random victims who are white versus black, then whites are 3 times more likely to go out of their proximity and target blacks than the reverse.
Not buying that at all. Sure, the pool of potential white killers is 6 times bigger than the pool of potential black killers, but same goes for potential victims. It washes out. What remains is the 2:1 ratio and the persistence of the myth (fed by media, agenda-driven academia and activists) that the situation is the opposite of what it really is.
 
Read the definition again. Lynching is not a real synonym for "murder by hanging" - dictionary lists of synonyms have to be used carefully and with consideration of usage and context as otherwise you are liable to end up with phrases such as "8' profound pool".
Lynching requires a mob and a killing for an alleged offense without a legal trial.

Lynching does not require a mob, although mobs are commonly involved.

A single person can lynch someone, although it might be hard to distinguish it from plain murder. Two or three people can lynch someone, and have done so within my lifetime. The lynching of James Byrd Jr. was carried out by three men, no mob involved.

Of course maybe one or more of these six were killed because they are black. But there is, as of now, no evidence that it was homicide, much less about motive or culprits. Therefore, you can't assume it was a lynching like Politesse was claiming.

I agree.

You can't assume lynching although, given how rare it is to find a cluster of death-by-hanging suicides in public places in such a short span of time, it is entirely reasonable to suspect some of those deaths might have been.
 
Lynching does not require a mob, although mobs are commonly involved.
Well, the definition Toni posted used the word "mob".
My point was that just because a person is murdered via hanging does not make it a lynching.


I agree.

You can't assume lynching although, given how rare it is to find a cluster of death-by-hanging suicides in public places in such a short span of time, it is entirely reasonable to suspect some of those deaths might have been.

Yes, I am glad we agree on something.
One thing to know about random processes is that random clustering is perfectly normal. If an event x occurs on average 10 times per unit of time say, you would not expect it to occur exactly 10 times in every time period. Sometimes it would be 7, sometimes 14, and less frequently you would get bigger fluctuations like 2 and 20. There is a distribution, called Poisson distribution, that describes these kinds of probabilities.

That said, I think it is still more likely than not that at least one of these cases is not suicide. But it is nowhere close to one in million chance that it was all suicides.
 
False flag for the left, false flag by the right, actual effigying done by the right, actual effigying done by the left

Speaking of effigying - in Florida a police officer was hanged in effigy.

Mannequin wearing pig mask, police uniform discovered hanging from Florida interstate
Yes, but don’t you agree it’s understandable, in the circumstances, that that is happening?

Are you asking us Boomers?

Because we're old enough to remember the protests against police brutality in the 1960s.

And the 1970s.

And the 1980s.

And the 1990s.

And the early 2000s.

And the past 10 years.

And we remember why there were protests.
 
IOW, independent of overall crime rates, when you account for the differences in random probability that are determined by the 6 fold greater proportion of potential random victims who are white versus black, then whites are 3 times more likely to go out of their proximity and target blacks than the reverse.
Not buying that at all. Sure, the pool of potential white killers is 6 times bigger than the pool of potential black killers, but same goes for potential victims. It washes out. What remains is the 2:1 ratio and the persistence of the myth (fed by media, agenda-driven academia and activists) that the situation is the opposite of what it really is.

Your not buying it and you don't understand at all. My whole point is that, as you say, the pool of potential white victims is 6 times larger. Which means that any killer of any race who goes out and randomly kills someone is 6 times more likely to kill a white person. Black people constantly travel through, shop in, work in areas with a large % of whites who are the majority in every random direction from their home. Whites rarely travel trough, shop in or work in areas that are a large % blacks. They would need to make a deliberate effort to find the usually one area miles away that is majority black. And many white live in areas where finding a single black person for 20 miles is difficult. No black person in the US lives in an area where it would take more than 5 minutes to find a white person or more than 15 to be surrounded mostly by whites. Thus, just by random probability, the % of victims killed by blacks who are white should be 6 times greater than the percentage of people killed by whites who are black. But it isn't, it's only double which is 1/3 of what is should be. Thus, victims of whites are 3 times more likely to be black than they would be if they were only targeting blacks at the same rate as blacks were targeting whites.
 
Your not buying it and you don't understand at all.
No, you do not understand why your approach is wrong.

My whole point is that, as you say, the pool of potential white victims is 6 times larger. Which means that any killer of any race who goes out and randomly kills someone is 6 times more likely to kill a white person.
Yes, but a random person from a pool of potential killers is also 6 times more likely to be white. So it's a wash.

Black people constantly travel through, shop in, work in areas with a large % of whites who are the majority in every random direction from their home. Whites rarely travel trough, shop in or work in areas that are a large % blacks.
I don't agree that white people rarely "travel trough, shop in or work in areas that are a large % blacks" because most, if not all, major cities have "a large % [of] blacks".
Even if it were true, this succumbs to the same problem as the other claim - both perpetrators and victims can travel, so it's a wash.

And many white live in areas where finding a single black person for 20 miles is difficult.
20 mile radius is ~1250 sq. miles. Even in Vermont, you are liable to find some black people in such a big area.
And relatively few white people live in areas such as Vermont. Most white people live in cities and suburban areas that are at least somewhat diverse. Even Burlington, VT is 5% black.

No black person in the US lives in an area where it would take more than 5 minutes to find a white person or more than 15 to be surrounded mostly by whites. Thus, just by random probability, the % of victims killed by blacks who are white should be 6 times greater than the percentage of people killed by whites who are black. But it isn't, it's only double which is 1/3 of what is should be. Thus, victims of whites are 3 times more likely to be black than they would be if they were only targeting blacks at the same rate as blacks were targeting whites.

Again, even if all that were true (and it is not) you keep hitting the same problem that it applies both to the pool of potential victims and of the perpetrators. Therefore, it cancels out and what remains, and cannot be conjured away, is the fact that twice as many black people kill white people than vice versa. Which makes racist propaganda that black people are somehow endangered by violence perpetrated by white people all the more ridiculous.
 
No, you do not understand why your approach is wrong.


Yes, but a random person from a pool of potential killers is also 6 times more likely to be white. So it's a wash.

No, it isn't a wash. That has zero impact on these stats. The stats are unaffected by the probable race of any killer. They reflect the relative % of potential white and black victims that any killer of either race is likely to encounter, which is the same ratio no matter how many killers there are. The question is not who is more likely to be killed by someone of the other race, b/c that is heavily a function of simple population sizes and doesn't reflect systematic targeting of the other race. The question is, when someone of each race kills someone, are they differentially targeting the other race beyond other factors that should equally impact other race killings in both directions (random probability and proximity).
Black people constantly travel through, shop in, work in areas with a large % of whites who are the majority in every random direction from their home. Whites rarely travel trough, shop in or work in areas that are a large % blacks.
I don't agree that white people rarely "travel trough, shop in or work in areas that are a large % blacks" because most, if not all, major cities have "a large % [of] blacks".

And many white live in areas where finding a single black person for 20 miles is difficult.
20 mile radius is ~1250 sq. miles. Even in Vermont, you are liable to find some black people in such a big area.
And relatively few white people live in areas such as Vermont. Most white people live in cities and suburban areas that are at least somewhat diverse. Even Burlington, VT is 5% black.

No black person in the US lives in an area where it would take more than 5 minutes to find a white person or more than 15 to be surrounded mostly by whites. Thus, just by random probability, the % of victims killed by blacks who are white should be 6 times greater than the percentage of people killed by whites who are black. But it isn't, it's only double which is 1/3 of what is should be. Thus, victims of whites are 3 times more likely to be black than they would be if they were only targeting blacks at the same rate as blacks were targeting whites.

Again, even if all that were true (and it is not) you keep hitting the same problem that it applies both to the pool of potential victims and of the perpetrators. Therefore, it cancels out and what remains, and cannot be conjured away, is the fact that twice as many black people kill white people than vice versa.

No, it doesn't cancel. Imagine you have a black and a white killer, each moving about and you have 100 black people and 600 white people also moving about. Ignoring segregation-caused proximity, what are the random odds that each killer kills a white man? It is 6 out of 7 or 6:1 in ratio terms. Both should kill 6 times more whites than blacks if their killings are random.
If we double the # of killers to 2 of each race, the answer is the same. If we say there are 6 white killers and 1 black killer, the answer is the same.

But the observed ratios are actually 11:1 to for white killers and 1:5 for black killers. So, both group of killers are killing fewer people of the other race than predicted by random chance. And this makes sense b/c proximity is a major determinant of who a killer kills. But proximity works equally both ways, and this is where you are likely getting confused. Segregation means that more that blacks are clustered and live around mostly other blacks, the more that whites live around mostly whites and the fewer blacks they encounter. However, the data show that proximity is not an equal determinant of who is killed by each race. For black killers, this proximity is leading them to killing 30 times fewer whites than predicted by population demographics, 6/1 ÷ X = 1/5, solve for X = 30. Therefore, a similar size effect of proximity for white killers mean 6/1 * 30 = 180/1 (since the proximity works changes the chance ratios in opposite direction for each race of killer, the ratio is divided by X for blacks and multiplied for whites)

In other words, if white and black killers where equally targeting victims via a combination of random population probability and proximity, then the observed 1:5 white:black victim ratio for black killers would be mirrored by a 180:1 white:black ratio for white killers. Instead, we see a 1:5 ratio for black killers but a mere 11:1 ratio for white killers. That means that whatever factors beyond population demographics and proximity that are leading to other-race killings are 15 times stronger among white killers than black killers. And your meaningless stat you are referring to is nothing but you engaging in the base-rate fallacy.
 
Toni, I agree with you that the odds of these 5 hanging deaths being coincidental and unrelated to the racial tensions are essentially zero. Not only is it extremely rare in the last century (never even heard of a case in my life) for people to hang themselves from a tree in a public place, but black men are 1/4 as likely as white men to kill themselves in general. Five such suicides in a week has a random chance probability of less than 1 in a million.

However, there are at least alternative possibilities to simple random chance. One is that they are suicides, but they are non-random and triggered by the racial unrest, using a "lynching" technique in order to make a statement. Another is they are non-racially motivated killings (which could include gang killings) that used the "lynching" technique either as a cover-up/misdirect or to make political statement on top of the real reasons for the killings. Finally, there is the possibility that they are actual racially motivated lynchings. And of course, they could be a mixture of these. Either way, they certainly warrant additional Federal investigation, especially the proven general incompetence and bias of local police departments who have ruled the "suicides".

Another factor here--some people don't want it to be known they committed suicide. Hence you sometimes find "murders" that are really staged suicides. They have been known to make it look like a hate crime.
 
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