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Multiple arrests made, Seattle Police declare Capitol Hill protest a riot

KOMO said:
A group of more than 1,000 protesters gathered on the campus of Seattle Central College in Capitol Hill around 1 p.m. Saturday in support of Portland protesters.[...]A demonstrator threw some sort of incendiary device into a window of a construction trailer at the youth jail on East Jefferson Street and 12th Avenue, causing the trailer to catch on fire.
Seattle Fire says a total of five trailers caught on fire. Police say they have received reports of groups breaking out windows at businesses along 12th avenue as well as windows of vehicles and a King County court facility.
Arson and looting. Not good for the future of Seattle. Would you want to start a business in a city where radicals routinely break windows of businesses just because they are upset about something or other?

Police needs to be arresting a lot more people, and even more importantly, prosecutors need to actually prosecute them instead of letting them go. Also, Seattle's ban on tear gas is hamstringing police ability for riot control.
Mayor Jenny is a weak mayor not willing to stand up to these left-wing bullies!
 
I was very close to the action and did not see any destruction by protestors THIS time.

Lots of rubber bullets fired but no line of injured people. Lots of flashbangs and mildish tear gas.

Seems like the protestors/rioters play tag and being the assholes. When not enough cops the rioters vandalize, when a lot of cops then the cops are brutal.
 
I was very close to the action and did not see any destruction by protestors THIS time.

You did not see the fires they set?
By the way, they injured a police officer with an explosive device.
Seattle police declare riot after crowds injure officers, cause 'explosive' damage to Capitol Hill precinct
Q13 said:
One officer was hospitalized with a leg injury caused by an explosive. Two other officers were treated and returned to duty, Seattle Police said on Twitter.[...]Police reported multiple explosions in the area and multiple fires, including one inside the East Precinct, where rioters breached a security fence to vandalize the building. Police are investigating "possible explosive damage" to the walls of the East Precinct and more explosives being thrown at police.
This is getting way out of control! At the very least Insley should send in the national guard. If both him and Mayor Jenny continue to be as passive as they have been, they are just making a case for Trump that Federales need to be sent in.

Lots of rubber bullets fired but no line of injured people. Lots of flashbangs and mildish tear gas.
Seems like the protestors/rioters play tag and being the assholes. When not enough cops the rioters vandalize, when a lot of cops then the cops are brutal.

Really? I have not seen any evidence of it. If anything, the cops are too passive and are not (allowed to be?) forceful enough toward the rioters.
 
I do think that looting random businesses is bad.

A trailer at a construction site for a youth jail? Loot away.
 
I'd be interested in who these violent rioters were. Why are they being associated with the non-violent protestors?
 
I would say that probably at least 30% of these protestors would vandalize property and 70% would be fine with it.

Why is everyone tying themselves in pretzels denying this? Also the same people denying it now would rationalize it if it were true.

From wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(psychology) I like these two examples
Collective rationalizations are regularly constructed for acts of aggression, Based on exaltation of the in-group and demonization of the opposite side: as Fritz Perls put it, "Our own soldiers take care of the poor families; the enemy rapes them".
Celebrity culture can be seen as rationalizing the gap between rich and poor, powerful and powerless, by offering participation to both dominant and subaltern views of reality.

The cops and society in general are bad enough (smash the state) to justify these acts of righteous vandalism.

This is dependent on each event of course. But this far out from the Floyd. Killing means that only the hardcore contingent is protesting..

The looters at the peak seemed to be a connected organized petty crime gang.thst drove in with cars and rolling luggage carts. It saw them load up a truck from my window.

The current ideological group are vandals and not looters.
 
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Multiple arrests made, Seattle Police declare Capitol Hill protest a riot

KOMO said:
A group of more than 1,000 protesters gathered on the campus of Seattle Central College in Capitol Hill around 1 p.m. Saturday in support of Portland protesters.[...]A demonstrator threw some sort of incendiary device into a window of a construction trailer at the youth jail on East Jefferson Street and 12th Avenue, causing the trailer to catch on fire.
Seattle Fire says a total of five trailers caught on fire. Police say they have received reports of groups breaking out windows at businesses along 12th avenue as well as windows of vehicles and a King County court facility.
Arson and looting. Not good for the future of Seattle. Would you want to start a business in a city where radicals routinely break windows of businesses just because they are upset about something or other?

Police needs to be arresting a lot more people, and even more importantly, prosecutors need to actually prosecute them instead of letting them go. Also, Seattle's ban on tear gas is hamstringing police ability for riot control.
Mayor Jenny is a weak mayor not willing to stand up to these left-wing bullies!

Considering the Trump Crime Family's determination to incite and if necessary, initiate violence including property destruction, and the naked unevidenced assertion that it is "demonstrators" throwing incendiary devices, I strongly suspect that no such thing is occurring.

The link says: "The protests were largely peaceful for much of the day before a group started hurling rocks and explosives".
So ... was "a group" arrested, or did "a group" somehow conveniently escape?
I'd sure like to see "a group" brought to account, and hear the whole story of why "a group" would set off a violent confrontation.

Here's a report from someone on the front lines of Trump's manufactured battle:

"I joined the wall of moms at the protests at the Portland justice center and the federal courthouse last night. I made sure to talk with some Black and brown organizers before I went, to check that they didn’t feel that us middle-aged, mostly-white ladies were taking away from the activists who have literally been there every night for 53 nights (many of whom are moms themselves, it’s worth noting). Everyone assured me there was nothing but love for the moms.

Except from law enforcement. The feds tear gassed us without warning, while they hid inside the comfort of their federal property. Once we got gassed and were trying to leave, they threw flash bangs, pepper balls, and tear gas cannisters at us (including expired ones- a friend kept the empty. In case you don’t know— I didn’t—expired tear gas can convert to cyanide). I could barely see the lines of unidentifiable men in camouflaged army fatigues approaching the crowd through a thick layer of smoke.
Each corner we tried to calmly exit by, there were more hazy goons throwing more tear gas, pepper spray and flash bangs. A friend I was with shouted, “I don’t like this way!” as we waded through a cloud of gas. But when we turned around, we saw every other way out only had more.

These are not your everyday cops in riot gear, holding a line, whose faces you can see and whose humanity you can at least imagine. I know that PPB has done all the same messed up shit and is working with the feds, but being attacked by nameless, faceless, camo-clad agents of war who only appear in a cloud of smoke and gas feels different.
They were not dispersing the crowd, they were punishing us.

I am proud to say that last night’s protest was one of the biggest since George Floyd’s murder. PPB and now federal agents try to quell the protests, to punish the protestors into submission. But the people only come back stronger, in larger groups.

Please don’t buy the media and right-wing hype trying to cast protestors in a negative light. The worst that protestors have done is vandalize some property— primarily property that represents systemic injustices against Black and brown folks. And please don’t buy into the good protestor/bad protestor trope, or throw your respectability politics at the activists who are in the struggle. When people are literally fighting for Black lives, don’t police how exactly they do it. They get enough of that from the police and now the feds. Those are the only people who are being violent; those are the only people who deserve your scorn.

Being a respectable middle-aged mom did not keep me from being tear-gassed. Being respectable does not save Black lives. In the words of Assata Shakur, “Nobody in the world, nobody in history, has ever gotten their freedom by appealing to the moral sense of the people who were oppressing them.”​
 
At least you are not tying yourself in a pretzel, seems you are saying that vandalism of mostly corporate stores like Starbucks and Amazon Go is justified and are not denying that in the main the protestors are the vandals now.
 
At least you are not tying yourself in a pretzel, seems you are saying that vandalism of mostly corporate stores like Starbucks and Amazon Go is justified and are not denying that in the main the protestors are the vandals now.

At least you are no longer asserting that the "federal" (Secret Police) response is symmetrical or proportional.
That's progress. When are you going to admit that the goons' purpose and intent is to inflame and incite, not to diminish or prevent destruction and violence?
 
I'd be interested in who these violent rioters were. Why are they being associated with the non-violent protestors?

Does it really matter if the violent rioters hiding among the protestors are right-wing extremists, left-wing extremists, anarchists, marxists, everyday thugs, etc.? Would you agree that the police should be stopping and arresting them (protecting the citizens from them) while still protecting the protestor's rights rather than allowing them free reign?
 
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I'd be interested in who these violent rioters were. Why are they being associated with the non-violent protestors?

Does it really matter if the violent rioters hiding among the protestors are right-wing extremists, left-wing extremists, anarchists, marxists, everyday thugs, etc.? Would you agree that the police should be stopping and arresting them (protecting the citizens from them) while still protecting the protestor's rights rather than allowing them free reign?
I do agree. I just wish the police would spend more time going after the rioters and less time attacking and arresting the non-violent protesters.
 
The worry I have is that if leniency is taken too far teens may be used by criminal gangs to do violent acts because they will be nearly unpunishable. Sort of like Brasil.

Brazil seems to have 16-17 year old on 16-17 year old murders.

https://igarape.org.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2017-12-04-Homicide-Dispatch_4_EN.pdf

Criminal gangs murdering over... What, exactly?

I keep pointing this out, that the origins of criminal gangs are exactly the enforcement of racially biased laws.

If you don't want to see organized gangs, you have to eliminate black market leverage. That only happens when Prohibition ends.

You are focusing on the problem from the wrong end trying to keep teens in "con college", rather than giving them opportunity and acceptance.

The fastest way to create disenfranchised teens and adults who rely on criminal enterprises is to declare them criminals and pariahs in the above-board economy and then giving them an activity that, while illegal, is highly profitable when they organize around it's sale.
 
I like how a lot of these posts get written as "Seattle is burning to the ground and has no future" or "Portland extremists have destroyed the city". These Seattle protests are in Capital Hill. If I showed you a map of Seattle how many could point to that neighborhood? Or how many could point to the TWO BLOCKS that made up CHAZ/CHOP? The "riots" are happening in a very small part of the city.

I agree that the "protests" in the PNW are no longer about BLM and have transformed into something that isn't helping the original cause. However, shut the fuck up with the "Seattle is a doomed city" bullshit.
 
I like how a lot of these posts get written as "Seattle is burning to the ground and has no future" or "Portland extremists have destroyed the city". These Seattle protests are in Capital Hill. If I showed you a map of Seattle how many could point to that neighborhood? Or how many could point to the TWO BLOCKS that made up CHAZ/CHOP? The "riots" are happening in a very small part of the city.

I agree that the "protests" in the PNW are no longer about BLM and have transformed into something that isn't helping the original cause. However, shut the fuck up with the "Seattle is a doomed city" bullshit.

But is is not just Seattle and Portland. Just look at the devastation happening in Albuquerque:

[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/o6Pn7Tim7Fc[/YOUTUBE]
 
I like how a lot of these posts get written as "Seattle is burning to the ground and has no future" or "Portland extremists have destroyed the city". These Seattle protests are in Capital Hill. If I showed you a map of Seattle how many could point to that neighborhood? Or how many could point to the TWO BLOCKS that made up CHAZ/CHOP? The "riots" are happening in a very small part of the city.

I agree that the "protests" in the PNW are no longer about BLM and have transformed into something that isn't helping the original cause. However, shut the fuck up with the "Seattle is a doomed city" bullshit.

But is is not just Seattle and Portland. Just look at the devastation happening in Albuquerque:

[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/o6Pn7Tim7Fc[/YOUTUBE]

GASP! I hope everyone is safe. Too bad Albuquerque is no longer a viable city and no business will ever want to set up shop there again. Everything will now move up the road to Santa Fe.

Thoughts and prayers
 
I like how a lot of these posts get written as "Seattle is burning to the ground and has no future" or "Portland extremists have destroyed the city". These Seattle protests are in Capital Hill. If I showed you a map of Seattle how many could point to that neighborhood? Or how many could point to the TWO BLOCKS that made up CHAZ/CHOP? The "riots" are happening in a very small part of the city.

I agree that the "protests" in the PNW are no longer about BLM and have transformed into something that isn't helping the original cause. However, shut the fuck up with the "Seattle is a doomed city" bullshit.

But is is not just Seattle and Portland. Just look at the devastation happening in Albuquerque:

[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/o6Pn7Tim7Fc[/YOUTUBE]

GASP! I hope everyone is safe. Too bad Albuquerque is no longer a viable city and no business will ever want to set up shop there again. Everything will now move up the road to Santa Fe.

Thoughts and prayers

LOL Abuquerque is fine. But I bet the winter population of Santa Fe is terrified of an Albuquerqueno invaison of some sort.
 
I'd be interested in who these violent rioters were. Why are they being associated with the non-violent protestors?

Does it really matter if the violent rioters hiding among the protestors are right-wing extremists, left-wing extremists, anarchists, marxists, everyday thugs, etc.? Would you agree that the police should be stopping and arresting them (protecting the citizens from them) while still protecting the protestor's rights rather than allowing them free reign?

That depends... do they get to just round up ANY person and detain them for questioning even if there is no inkling of a reason to suspect any law being broken by that specific individual? Do you agree to be detained while sitting at a bus stop because a federal agent thinks you look like someone that was standing next to a guy that may have told you some information they want to have? If that is not OK with you then what the unidentified mass shooters were doing was certainly not ok.
 
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