Jarhyn said:
Yes. You have a "revenge boner". A lot of people do. In this case "revenge boner" is a pejorative description of the desire to consummate revenge and experience a drive relief. It is a pejorative for any aroused emotional drive. You get "horny" but instead of that horniness to rub your dick, it's horniness to see someone else suffer during an act of revenge. It is a base instinct and one that rational humans should learn to either overcome or redirect.
It is a pejorative description of a significant portion of
human morality, and since you do that deliberately, it is unethical on your part to do that. It is also epistemically irrational on your part to fail to realize that this is part of human morality. Humans who are being epistemically rational will realize just retribution is, well, just.
And no, of course, it is not the case that rational humans
should learn to overcome or redirect something that is part of morality. Nor will they, regardless of the power of the Woke.
Jarhyn said:
It doesn't matter where in the brain this conceptual revenge penis lives. It is an evolved drive. It is an evolved drive to serve a purpose, perhaps badly, but "good enough for the Paleolithic". Lots of things were good enough for the Paleolithic. They just aren't good enough for now. No amount of hand waving and wishing will get you past is-/>ought.
The 'oughts' do not come from the commands of God. They are part of our mental architechture - which, as it happened, evolved. And I was not trying to get from an is to ought - though I can do that too: it
is immoral for you to condemn just retribution, so you
ought not to do it. Rather, I was saying that just retribution is an evolved part of the human
moral faculty - and a very significant one at that. You can make it go away if you manage massive genetic engineering and replace humans with something else. You can suppress it if you manage to make some AGI-dictator. But short of that, you are not in luck.
Jarhyn said:
You need a goal to get there, and then select the path from (situation) to (goal) that has the best outcome.
The just punishment of the guilty is the
best outcome, all other things equal (though not always they are, so sometimes it's a lesser evil to let them get away with evil).
Jarhyn said:
There are better models now, more time, more security. The only question is, do you think you can be more reasonable and rational than cave men. I joined these boards when it was still "freethought and rationalism discussion boards". "Letting my revenge boner steer me into revenge" is not a rational process, it is an emotional one.
Instead of "revenge boner", you should perhaps call it your 'retributive justice moral faculty'. And no, attempting to destroy one of your moral faculties is a bad idea. It's not rational. Or morally acceptable.