Trump Tests Positive For Covid-19

[blastula]

So based on this info; which is better? 482 out of 2104 (with dexamethasone ) dead or 1110 out of 4321 (without dexamethasone) dead? Unless I'm reading this wrong it's all the same to me.

With: 23%, without: 26%

Here is a rough guide to sampling error, the result of using an incomplete sample. For sample size N, its relative value is roughly 1/sqrt(N).

Here, this means a relative error of 1.5% - 2.1%. So that result is not very strong.

To get a better number, one will have to be more careful and use the appropriate statistical distribution.

You missed, "the incidence of death was lower than that in the usual care group among patients receiving invasive mechanical ventilation (29.3% vs. 41.4%; rate ratio, 0.64; 95% CI, 0.51 to 0.81)."

It's indicated for patients on ventilators.

 

[Gospel]

Probably. Based on his still known condition, he is already re-spreading the untruth that C19 is not dangerous.

President Trump just tweeted that he will be leaving Walter Reed medical center at 6:30 p.m. ET today.

"Felling really good!" he tweeted moments ago. "Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life."

Here's his full message:

I will be leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6:30 P.M. Feeling really good! Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 5, 2020

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n...tes-monday/h_93b46e07a41c65f3020320270644f3c7

Now now, that's just the dexamethasone talking. Don't be ridiculous.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So the doctors are in full on poli-sci mode.

"Though he may not be entirely out of the woods yet, the team and I agree that all his evaluations, and most importantly, his clinical status support his return home where he'll be surrounded by world class medical care 24/7," he said.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Technically speaking, if the Dems wanted to go there, as a tit for tat with Garland, they could take it to court, the legality of voting via Zoom.

And this is also assuming they are healthy enough to be involved via a Zoom.

ACA could have passed earlier than it did, but Republicans did not allow Ted Kennedy to vote from hospital.

I don't think a majority decision can be taken to court. The Senate makes its own rules. In the absence of 50 votes, Moscow Mitch rules anyway.

Maybe, God is voting. Not for Trump.

The Court of Final Judgment
I-Am-That-I-Am Presiding

Here comes Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Petitioning that Punishment of a certain Spawn of Satan begin before schedule.
Welcome Dear Ruth! We look forward to seeing much more of you. I've already given him hemorrhoids and shriveled
his penis. But you're right; we can and should do much more. In appreciation of your service, Ruth, it is so ordered ...​

But won't he need 50 votes to change the rules to allow remote voting?

 

[southernhybrid]

The fact that Donny is going home today is insane. He's still taking a weird cocktail of drugs, which have potential side effects. He's still contagious and there are many people who work inside the WH, who may be exposed. He is still in the early stages of the disease and it's not fully known if he will recover or relapse. His mind may be even more nutter than usual due to that large dosage of steroids he has taken.

Any competent doctor would insist that he leave against medical advice, considering that he remains at risk for complications. It's hard to believe this is really happening. It's like watching a reality tv show. Oh wait. The entire country has been a reality tv show for at least the last 4 or 5 years. Why don't some people see what's happening? Idiocracy is here!

So, assuming he doesn't relapse, how many days will it be before he's back having super spreader rallies, infecting more deluded Americans who have become victims of his cult? Some of them will die or suffer miserably.

 

[Gospel]

So based on this info; which is better? 482 out of 2104 (with dexamethasone ) dead or 1110 out of 4321 (without dexamethasone) dead? Unless I'm reading this wrong it's all the same to me.

With: 23%, without: 26%

Here is a rough guide to sampling error, the result of using an incomplete sample. For sample size N, its relative value is roughly 1/sqrt(N).

Here, this means a relative error of 1.5% - 2.1%. So that result is not very strong.

To get a better number, one will have to be more careful and use the appropriate statistical distribution.

Thanks for the input. Yes, my understanding is it is a preliminary report and thus not complete. I was just wondering if my take on what they've found so far is correct in thinking there is no substantial difference right now. As you put it "that result is not very strong" so is it safe to presume you agree?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Just saw this.
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When i had a Top Secret SIOP-ESI security clearance, i could get dropped from the program for taking illicit drugs. Licit drugs got me temporary bounces, like pain-killers associated with surgery. If i was on the Good Shit, i could not touch nuclesr weapons or their programming.
In off crew, i could not even attend the simulator and pretend to touch nuclear weapons, or practice targeting the simulated missiles. I couldn't be in the room where others played nuclear reindeer games.

This part surprises me. I can see not actually playing the games because it could mess the game up for others (however, in my limited experience with the hard stuff it didn't seem to mess with me), but not even being in the room makes no sense.

I have to believe if he's under the influence of something that disorienting, they turned off his football, and Pence has the nuclear launch authority.
But if they told the nation this, while some might be reassured, the Trumpers would go nuts, and scream about the unconstitutional power grab by the deep state actors.

I'm sure they wouldn't accept a launch order but they might be keeping the peace and pretending normality. Things are reasonably peaceful, not having a finger on the nuclear button for a bit isn't going to be a problem. (On the other hand, we very well might not have had a finger on the nuclear button for years now. He certainly shouldn't be allowed to launch.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Telling everyone he could be released today was a boneheaded move. If they don't release him, that will just make it look he's gotten worse. If they do release him, there's a decent chance he will have to come back and perhaps on a stretcher this time.

Released to the morgue perhaps?

 

[TV and credit cards]

Trump's campaign rallies which have largely flaunted best public health practices,

FLAUTED! Not flaunted! ...

Flauting is showing disdain for. Like, the article flauted the basics of grammar for the goddamned English fucking language, or Trump's campaign flauted CDC directives.

While I agree with your stance on "Flaunt," the word for 'to show disdain' is "Flout."

"Flaut," if it means anything, is presumably 'to play a flute'; cf. flautist.

I made that mistake with utang and utong. Boy, that was embarrassing.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Trump wants to participate in the next debate.

President Trump is planning to participate in the next presidential debate scheduled for Oct. 15, Trump Campaign Communications Director Tim Murtaugh tells CNN.

Asked by CNN on debate plans, Murtaugh said, “It is the President’s intention to debate.

Are you fucking kidding me?!

 

[blastula]

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[starwater]

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[Playball40]

Steroids, I understand, are designed to suppress (or modulate) immune system response and inflammation it causes. That particular steroids is prescribed when things are really bad. When things are not that bad, suppressing immune system is a sure way to help virus.
So, either things are really bad, or doctors are trying to kill POTUS.

Or the whole thing is bullshit.

 

[Keith&Co.]

This part surprises me. I can see not actually playing the games because it could mess the game up for others (however, in my limited experience with the hard stuff it didn't seem to mess with me), but not even being in the room makes no sense.

I was a security risk. Not so much that i couldn't reliably play my part in the script, but i might forgetfully walk out of the room with classified in my pocket.

Things are reasonably peaceful, not having a finger on the nuclear button for a bit isn't going to be a problem.

No. An interruption in continuity is a grave problem.
We never skip a day or two of someone being THE nuclear command authority becase no one has the authority to decide we can skip a day or two.
It does sound like a decision this administration would try yo make, but there's an Air Force general whose job it would be to never leave the prez or vice prez alone until someone is designated as the authority.
Thus would be like taking a nap while driving becsuse the road's straight and the car's going straight. You can't do that.

Or, as you say, maybe the decision was made a while ago. Maybe Esper has two scuffed briefcases in his office at all times, mum's the word.

 

[Brian63]

Doctors on MSNBC noted that it is a mistake to think of this as having Trump go "home" since his home consists of very advanced quality care as well. It is more analogous to being transferred to another hospital. Doctors are reluctant to criticize other doctors and how they are caring for individual patients (when the ones doing the commentary do not have the same on-hand data), but in general they would not advise a patient to leave as such. Mitigating factors are that he was administered several of his medications relatively early and he will receive 24/7 care back at the White House.

 

[crazyfingers]

i am far less concerned about the relative medical care capabilities at the WH vs the hospital than I am how many more people the bumbling fool will infect for refusal to quarantine and isolate at the WH. They are already talking about him going out to campaign in just 10 days from now while he more than likely will still be contagious.

 

[Swammerdami]

But they have painted themselves into a corner, here. Trump has no plan. So no one can take the reins and claim to be babysitting IAW The Plan.
Everything the govt. does is in reaction to Bonespurs' whims. So if his whims are hamstrung, the govt just sits in a holding pattern...waiting.

Keith's conclusion, especially what I've underlined, really rings the bell. Other would-be dictators had plans, but Trump lacks even that. He's just an Epstein party-goer who ran for Prez as a publicity stunt. The closest to a strategist he's ever had in his corner was Steve Bannon. Trump made his bones intimidating Manhattan subcontractors with his lawyers, and then thought he could use that experience to best Kim, Xi, MBS or Putin. What a joke.

Trump never had any sort of plan, except the child brat's urge to make a little graft each day and put on a show. His Presidency is more a farce than an act of evil (and other GOPsters have outed themselves as worse) — that is the bitter irony of these tragic four years.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So Trump gets off Marine One, walks up the stairs, takes off his mask, thumbs up.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/519731-trump-removes-mask-upon-arrival-at-white-house

This man is a psychopath!

 

[starwater]

But they have painted themselves into a corner, here. Trump has no plan. So no one can take the reins and claim to be babysitting IAW The Plan.
Everything the govt. does is in reaction to Bonespurs' whims. So if his whims are hamstrung, the govt just sits in a holding pattern...waiting.

Keith's conclusion, especially what I've underlined, really rings the bell. Other would-be dictators had plans, but Trump lacks even that. He's just an Epstein party-goer who ran for Prez as a publicity stunt. The closest to a strategist he's ever had in his corner was Steve Bannon. Trump made his bones intimidating Manhattan subcontractors with his lawyers, and then thought he could use that experience to best Kim, Xi, MBS or Putin. What a joke.

Trump never had any sort of plan, except the child brat's urge to make a little graft each day and put on a show. His Presidency is more a farce than an act of evil (and other GOPsters have outed themselves as worse) — that is the bitter irony of these tragic four years.

And to add to that

He is deeply in debt and being president props up the house of cards for awhile and supports the trump crime family.

 

[Trausti]

So Trump gets off Marine One, walks up the stairs, takes off his mask, thumbs up.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/519731-trump-removes-mask-upon-arrival-at-white-house

This man is a psychopath!

You know who else went back to work after three days of isolation?