Left wing extremists raging in Portlandia again

[Derec]

OK derec. RE: stolen land. The RW gang was 'protecting' their property rights to graze their property on the people's property in Nevada and Eastern Oregon because they believed that government stole the land from the enterprise, 'take it if is not occupied' set in the 1800s.

Have I ever defended them? No, I have not!
As I said before, pox on both their houses. However there is a definite bias on this forum defending left-wing extremism and violence.

What now makes that attitude a leftist attitude?

The "stolen land" slogan here refers not to grazing in Nevada but to American Indians, a favorite subject of the far left. Note that this particular violence was perpetrated on Columbus Day.
Portland protesters topple statues of Theodore Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln in ‘Day of Rage’; police declare riot

A group of protesters toppled statues of former presidents Theodore Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln and shattered the entrance to the Oregon Historical Society in Portland’s South Park Blocks late Sunday before moving into other areas of downtown, smashing storefronts and engaging in other acts of destruction.

Police declared the event a riot and ordered people rampaging through the city’s streets to disperse but did not directly intervene until nearly an hour after the first statue fell. The crowd scattered when police cruisers flooded the area, and officers in tactical gear appeared to make several arrests. Protest organizers had promoted the event on social media as an “Indigenous Peoples Day of Rage.” Monday is the federally observed holiday of Columbus Day, but many states and cities now recognize the day instead as Indigenous Peoples Day over concerns that Christopher Columbus' arrival in the Americas helped launch centuries of violence against indigenous populations.

Looks very much to me as if rightists were protesting those who tampered with white rights again in Oregon, the home of Posse Comitatus. Reedies are more in to poetry, music, painting, eating and removable body art and, oh yeah, corporate and judicial leadership.

You could not be more wrong. Why is it so hard for leftists to acknowledge violence by the Left? And you can't really be serious about that naïve with that description of the "reedies"[sic], can you?

IOW you're argument reasoning is about as original and believable as - I know this is going to hurt your impartial claim - a Trump rant.

That applies more to you and your repeated unwillingness to acknowledge reality finding refuge in increasingly outrageous audacity like "It had nothing to do with Indians , it's about Nevada grazers".

By the way, Democrats better acknowledge leftist violence and do something about it. Biden needs a clear "Sista Souljah" moment here.
I am convinced that Trump could never have won without people being fearful over the widespread riots that started in 2014. Even with Dems nominating a horrible candidate. Hell, he probably would not even have won the nomination without #BLMers burning down buildings, looting, rioting - and occasionally murdering police officers - being on the evening news for the previous two years.

And what do #BLMers and their allies do in 2020? They start rioting even harder, ostensibly over some felonious (robbery of a pregnant woman) junkie dying from a fentanyl overdose.
I still think Biden is very likely to win, but Trump ekes out a victory again, he has #BLMers and Antifas to thank!

 

[Derec]

I have to wonder if that might have anything to do with the THOUSANDS of blacks killed by police over the same period, at over twice the rate of whites.

Vast majority of police shootings are justified. And it is to be expected that blacks get shot/killed by police at a higher rate since they commit violent crimes at a higher rate too (5x for homicide according to FBI uniform crime report).

, Derec - how many windows are worth a life?

That's a nonsensical question, as it has nothing to do with breaking windows being a crime and not a legitimate protest. Same goes for vandalizing and toppling statues of American presidents and vandalizing a historical society. Are you defending these actions too like you are defending breaking windows as a form of "protest"?

So... how many black lives are worth one blue one?

It's not about race. It's about whether a shooting is justified. #BLMers are protesting/rioting even when armed thugs get shot by police, just because they happen to be black.
And murder is not justified even if you believe your political cause is just. Otherwise, the Michigan militia would be justified as well. You can't have a civilized society that way.

Bear in mind that I spent well over a decade trying to save blue lives

What have you been doing?

- so please, no projection about my bias

Even if you have no other bias (questionable), you have shown yourself to be a raging fenestraphobe in this thread.

 

[Derec]

Conquered Land

That's a good point. Conquering territory has been part of human history since there has been human history. Including among the Indian tribes.
So why is European conquest of Americas the only one called "stealing" by activists and academics? Why is for example Asia Minor not called "stolen land"?
Lydia for Lydians. Send Turks back to Turkmenistan! Make Istanbul Constantinople again!

 

[Trausti]

Conquered Land

That's a good point. Conquering territory has been part of human history since there has been human history. Including among the Indian tribes.
So why is European conquest of Americas the only one called "stealing" by activists and academics? Why is for example Asia Minor not called "stolen land"?
Lydia for Lydians. Send Turks back to Turkmenistan! Make Istanbul Constantinople again!

The colonizing Europeans treated the Amerindian population much more kindly than they treated each other. Not for nothing did the Tlaxcalans back Cortez against the Aztecs.

 

[Arctish]

The colonizing Europeans treated the Amerindian population much more kindly than they treated each other. Not for nothing did the Tlaxcalans back Cortez against the Aztecs.

Lol.

I thought the word 'they' in the first sentence referred to the colonizing Europeans until I read your second sentence.

You should check out the history of the Pilgrims sometime, how they came to the New World to escape religious persecution and immediately began persecuting people who held different religious views. Fair warning, though. Reading about the mutilations and torture isn't for the squeamish.

 

[Trausti]

The colonizing Europeans treated the Amerindian population much more kindly than they treated each other. Not for nothing did the Tlaxcalans back Cortez against the Aztecs.

Lol.

I thought the word 'they' in the first sentence referred to the colonizing Europeans until I read your second sentence.

You should check out the history of the Pilgrims sometime, how they came to the New World to escape religious persecution and immediately began persecuting people who held different religious views. Fair warning, though. Reading about the mutilations and torture isn't for the squeamish.

You mean the pilgrims sacrificed them to their gods by cutting out their hearts and eating their limbs?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I rather suspect this was a false flag attack.

Come on, it is exactly one of their goals.

The thing is the targets seem wrong--people who don't understand what's actually going on and just picked historical targets at random.

 

[Trausti]

I rather suspect this was a false flag attack.

Come on, it is exactly one of their goals.

The thing is the targets seem wrong--people who don't understand what's actually going on and just picked historical targets at random.

Dude, these are antifa/Marxists. All aspects of Western society are fair game. Plus, they’re stupid.

 

[repoman]

I wonder if there was a political reason this young black guy knocked over a portapotty in DC when a young white woman wasa inside of it



https://twitter.com/UltraBlackEnt/status/1315286359591002113



Isn't gentrification seen as a form of theft?

 

[Arctish]

The colonizing Europeans treated the Amerindian population much more kindly than they treated each other. Not for nothing did the Tlaxcalans back Cortez against the Aztecs.

Lol.

I thought the word 'they' in the first sentence referred to the colonizing Europeans until I read your second sentence.

You should check out the history of the Pilgrims sometime, how they came to the New World to escape religious persecution and immediately began persecuting people who held different religious views. Fair warning, though. Reading about the mutilations and torture isn't for the squeamish.

You mean the pilgrims sacrificed them to their gods by cutting out their hearts and eating their limbs?

Oh, no, they were very European Christian about it.

They burned people with red hot irons, cut off body parts, slowly crushed them using planks and boulders, tied them to wagons and dragged them half naked from to town to town for multiple floggings, flogged them twice a week for months on end, that sort of thing.

You should check it out. It will give you a new perspective on kids portraying Pilgrims in Thanksgiving plays at school.

 

[funinspace]

Well as you seem to think you know so much about the Multnomah County DA, maybe I should point out that Atlanta Georgia has over 4 times the murder rate. Maybe they are doing something better than the Atlanta Fulton County DA...

FIFY. Paul Howard sucks too, and I am glad to see the back of his corrupt ass.

And it's silly to think that the DA plays predominant role in the murder rate in a city. Many factors play a role, chiefly probably demographics. We know from FBI data that blacks commit homicides at 5-6 times the rate of whites. Atlanta is just over 50% black. Portland is about 6% black. That alone could explain most if not all of the murder rate difference.

Sure there are many factors relative to homicide rates...

And my criticism of the DA was specific to his vow not to prosecute many of the rioters, at least not the left-wing ones. He even said that that was because he understood how they felt.
Portland DA Declines to Prosecute Host of Riot-Related Offenses, Citing ‘Depth of Emotion’ Surrounding Racial Justice

Ah, ok. Not sure how much I'd take the views of NR on their own, but I don't have a problem in general with prosecuting rioters.

But yeah, this is stupid shit by rioters...to add to a huge basket of stupid shit that happens in, and by, the US. Never mind the alt-reality rednecks in Michigan trying to kidnap a governor...

Pox on both their houses of course. The plot against Whitmer was more serious, but it was nowhere near close to succeeding. On the other hand, the plot of left-wing Portland to wantonly destroy and vandalize property and disrupt the normal functioning of the city for months on end, while less serious, is succeeding fabulously.

LOL...Downtown Portland is functioning mostly as normal considering Covid-19. There are a few blocks that are problematic in the evening, and that is about it, other than costs to the city. Overall, this 'leftist' city works pretty well...for being so out of control and under the thumbs of anarchists thugs...

 

[Derec]

The thing is the targets seem wrong--people who don't understand what's actually going on and just picked historical targets at random.

Nothing random about it, but very deliberate and fitting the leftist ideology. For example, Abraham Lincoln was CinC when US fought against the Dakota in 1862 and "Dakota 38" that was written on the vandalized Lincoln statue is a reference to 38 Dakota warriors who were hanged in the aftermath of that conflict. So very on brand for Antifa and other leftist extremists.

 

[Arctish]

The thing is the targets seem wrong--people who don't understand what's actually going on and just picked historical targets at random.

Nothing random about it, but very deliberate and fitting the leftist ideology. For example, Abraham Lincoln was CinC when US fought against the Dakota in 1862 and "Dakota 38" that was written on the vandalized Lincoln statue is a reference to 38 Dakota warriors who were hanged in the aftermath of that conflict. So very on brand for Antifa and other leftist extremists.

That's not on brand for Antifa. Statue toppling is on brand for the anti-whitewashing of history and anti-veneration of people who don't deserve to be honored crowd.

 

[Trausti]

The thing is the targets seem wrong--people who don't understand what's actually going on and just picked historical targets at random.

Nothing random about it, but very deliberate and fitting the leftist ideology. For example, Abraham Lincoln was CinC when US fought against the Dakota in 1862 and "Dakota 38" that was written on the vandalized Lincoln statue is a reference to 38 Dakota warriors who were hanged in the aftermath of that conflict. So very on brand for Antifa and other leftist extremists.

That's not on brand for Antifa. Statue toppling is on brand for the anti-whitewashing of history and anti-veneration of people who don't deserve to be honored crowd.

 

[Arctish]

That's not on brand for Antifa. Statue toppling is on brand for the anti-whitewashing of history and anti-veneration of people who don't deserve to be honored crowd.

Are you suggesting ^these guys are Antifa?

Or are you agreeing that statue topplers are part of the 'anti-veneration of people who don't deserve to be honored' crowd?

 

[fromderinside]

I don't see the violence as being primarily from those in a political protest movement comprising autonomous groups affiliated by their militant opposition to fascism and other forms of extreme right-wing ideology. Its more random destruction oriented.

It seems made up of destructive youthful shits following demonstrations of legitimate causes showing they're important too. They're youthful spoiled brats who have gotten away with going over the line all their lives through little supervision use destructive measures, self justified as being no different from what others do, to get a thrill.

Of course we see it at all ages. Think of somebody like a very young teen or twentysomething Trump, or a thirtysomething drunk or drugged up Trump, or an older failed life dummy Trump losing it. Can't stand all the attention previously denigrated groups are receiving. We're talking people who feel shamed for being criticized by others for trying to denigrate as they did yesteryear.

Add to that the facilitators, the stupid rich - a very large subset of those who got lucky by birth, place, act, or gamble - who actually believe they built it all themselves, have actually deluded themselves that they are Ayn Rand better than those around them.

It's getting tough to be a bigot or a bully. So they go to extremes to show the rest of us they are still important.

 

[Trausti]

That's not on brand for Antifa. Statue toppling is on brand for the anti-whitewashing of history and anti-veneration of people who don't deserve to be honored crowd.

Are you suggesting ^these guys are Antifa?

Or are you agreeing that statue topplers are part of the 'anti-veneration of people who don't deserve to be honored' crowd?

Fellow travelers.

 

[Arctish]

Are you suggesting ^these guys are Antifa?

Or are you agreeing that statue topplers are part of the 'anti-veneration of people who don't deserve to be honored' crowd?

Fellow travelers.

Fellow travelers of Antifa, or fellow travelers of the 'anti-veneration of people who don't deserve to be honored' crowd?

You do realize that those are different groups with different agendas, right?

 

[Harry Bosch]

I rather suspect this was a false flag attack.

I'm sure that some of this is going on. Obviously there are right wing agitators egging it on and making the protestors worse. Obviously right wing media and Trump are exaggerating the tenor of the protests. But there is no doubt that the protestors have some blame also. In the beginning, the Portland protests were mostly organized (believe it or not) and polite. I took my daughters to three of them. I think that it was a good experience for them. But I sense that the protestors are getting frustrated by the lack of change (the police arn't going to be disbanded!). They started getting mean and thuggish when they started targeting individual politican's homes (the mayor). I stopped supporting at that point. Then they started moving the protests to late at night. Definitely not for kids! The protests wern't moved to night because these guys were working during the day! They moved it to night to ratchet up the tension. The leaders wanted more tension; but then they lost the moderates. And now the protests are much smaller. Losing impact. It will be over sometime shortly after the election.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The thing is the targets seem wrong--people who don't understand what's actually going on and just picked historical targets at random.

Dude, these are antifa/Marxists. All aspects of Western society are fair game. Plus, they’re stupid.

Disagree--normally the statues they are objecting to are of people who did bad things. They are being selective, this doesn't fit the pattern. That makes me think false flag.