I'm a Fascist. Am I welcome here?

[Keith&Co.]

No, that's bullshit.

So, if 90% of the people want pedophilia and crystal meth to be legal, it should be?

If 90% of society, or, you know, "society" wants something, why in the name of Saint Quetzacoatl would one man be right in telling them, "No." How's that work?
If 90% want a vote, one wants a dictatorship, how do you justify a dictatorship?

 

[DrZoidberg]

However, Islam has been at war with the world since it was founded. Yeah yeah , there is stupid shit and violence in Scripture, but Jesus was nothing like Muhammad. Jesus forgave those who crucified him and rebuked his Apostles for taking up swords to defend him.

Muhammad cut off heads and hands and was a terrorist.

Muslims have been trying to rape and pillage Europe as the Moors and Ottoman Empire for many Centuries, and almost succeeded were it not for the Turkish fleet getting sunk at Lepanto.

I don't think religion is the whole story. Sure, a lot of horrendous things were made in the name of God/gods. But that doesn't mean it's the cause. It's power politics. Whatever religion a ruler has who is given the opportunity to conquer their enemies, will be a religion of war. The Brits were Christian and created the biggest empire the world has ever seen. Yet, they're somehow from the religion of peace.

You absolutely correct that if it wasn't for Lepanto we'd probably all be wearing fezes all over Europe today.

I also agree that Jesus is a different character than Mohammed. But if you look at the behaviour of the two groups followers, it's hard to pick out the worst asshole. Christians too have a lot of blood on their hands. It's also good to mention that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's a common problem for religion everywhere.

Many Muslim immigrants going into Europe have never seen an unveiled woman before, and where they come from it is okay to gang rape unveiled women. I'm 100% convinced this is the primary cause of the rape epidemic in Sweden and Europe.

It's not Islam. It's something else. Most Muslim immigrants to Sweden have been well behaved. It's the Afghani immigrants after 2015 that have caused most of the trouble. But I think PTSD is a more likely explanation than Islam. And it's not all the Afghani refugees. They are twice as likely to commit violent crime than the rest in Sweden. But Swedes aren't typically violent. It's still a rare event. A violent Afghani still isn't representative of the group. Even though they are a lot more likely to be violent than Swedes. Interestingly enough Syrian refugees have been just fine. They've settled in nicely in Sweden, in spite coming to Sweden at the same time as the Afghanis.

But it's interesting you are 100% sure that there's a rape epidemic in Sweden, even though there isn't one.

Here's an article on it by the social anthropologist Laura Augustin.

https://www.lauraagustin.com/is-rape-rampant-in-gender-equal-sweden

She's an interesting character. She's devoted her research career in reading other researchers results and poke holes in their conclusions. Rather than doing basic research on her own. She's awesome. Her main focus is on bad science done on sex work.

So, you live in Sweden? I'm part Swedish.

I'm a Swede living in Denmark/Copenhagen.

Also, have you ever read this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Fátima

I could never be a Marxist after studying that, going there as a child, and experiencing the power of Marian devotion and the Rosary. Our Lady of Fatima said the errors of Russia would spread throughout the world , and worked a miracle that many atheists said they witnessed.

Now, nothing happened to the sun. It was a vision, A sign promised to all who showed up at that time and that location. The prophecy of the coming of World War 2 and the Spread of Communism throughout the world was contained in the message to illiterate Shepherd children who should have never known about or been thinking about such matters.

I'm an atheist. I don't believe prophesies come from God. I believe prophecies come from the imagination of the prophet. It's the equivalent of making stock market predictions. There's a lot of prophecies being made all the time. Of course somebody is going to be correct. We just have a tendency to ignore all those who got it wrong. So I'd say that her accuracy is a coincidence.

I agree that Marx has an awful fan club. I also don't think that Marx was a genius in all regards. He was super wrong about lots of stuff. It's also important to keep in mind the time of when he was writing. It was very long ago. He's very much a product of his time. All he did was to combine Hegelian dialectics with Adam Smith's theories about market forces.

He was living in the age of market liberalism and when we thought all regulation of markets was evil. Which had some pretty extreme effects on the poor. He predicted that there's no way the rich elites would ever let go of power. He thought the only way was violent revolution. He was proven wrong on that. Social reforms happened all over the west directly disproving him. Today we have all manner of laws intended to protect the poor from abuse of those more powerful. So Marxists aren't needed anymore. The social innovations and the world has moved on so much that Marx today is irrelevant. Just like today nobody today calls themselves a Beccarian even though everybody is.

 

[Jarhyn]

Like, I don't get how he doesn't understand that the primary point of contention we have is with their desire to enforce their (theocratic) model of propriety on society, and to invalidate the goals and identities of people who are merely just living their lives harmlessly and joyfully.

Further, perhaps, is his worship of a form of government that makes itself pointedly vulnerable to all the flaws any single ruler may have, and the instabilities over time arising from a turnstile of such flawed humans. It looks great on paper the same way communism does, but in reality it has too many points of failure, either be it in the points of failure exposed and leveraged out of the singular dictator or the points of failure as control slips to oligarchy, with fascism and communism respectively. When you mix the two you end up with something like Russia: a broken economy owned by oligarchs where the bearings will continue until morale improves.

In reality, a combination of self-rule and socialism based on a more reasonable schema of ownership (where the leverage of personal gain against "I own it" means that ownership transfers, commensurate with the force of leverage applied, to those leveraged against): the use of leverage for personal gain ought be an act of implicit sale.

I don't believe anything should be forced unless we have a leader who knows what is best for society. Some things are best to enforce. If it improves the economy, improves unity, creates sound minds, protects innocence, and speaks the truth about violent hate groups like Islam, then enforcing certain laws and rules can save and enhance lives.

Back when America had a censorship on the media and entertainment industry and prayer in schools, there was far fewer suicides, mental illness, and crime. Apparently life wasn't so bad afterall when filth that teaches us to be selfish wasn't promoted in the media and entertainment industry.

"Who knows what is best for society". Well that's sure a loaded fucking gun in your mouth!

The fact is, there weren't less or fewer of any of those things per capita. We just didn't hear about it because, well, there WASN'T FREE AND EASY INFORMATION EXCHANGE. The best people had was television (centralized distribution), newspapers (also central distribution), telephones (which corrupted information in transit) and church (which corrupts information based on biases, including the "facebook effect"*). What you propose is living life in ignorance, and denying self determination.

The fact is that the "filth" that teach selfishness are the christians in this country. I've been watching them do it for years. Socialism is literally the ism of "society before self". I wonder who has been preaching against that lately. Hint: it's the fascists.

Edit: "the facebook effect" is, here, intended to refer to the effect where, in an attempt to socially posture, someone only relates the most positive things in their life.

 

[Jarhyn]

No, that's bullshit.

So, if 90% of the people want pedophilia and crystal meth to be legal, it should be?

If 90% of society, or, you know, "society" wants something, why in the name of Saint Quetzacoatl would one man be right in telling them, "No." How's that work?
If 90% want a vote, one wants a dictatorship, how do you justify a dictatorship?

"And what if all your friends were jumping off a cliff, and the sky was purple, and pigs could fly, and the world was about to end, and everyone decided to murder each other?!??"

The fact is, we don't have to consider ridiculous proposals. If 90% of the population are ethically ignorant enough to wish to injure children, you have worse problems, like a complete failure of the public education system several generations back. That or some really effective propaganda. The kind you can only produce if you are, you know, a fascist fucking nation already.

I will pose that most people are mostly right most of the time, and it is a symptom of personal mythology and abject narcissism to think that you know better than everyone all the time. Hell, it's abject narcissism to think that you know better than ANY given person all the time, thinking you know better than EVERYONE is narcissism taken to it's upper limit.

 

[ZiprHead]

When America had censorship laws we weren't the serial killer capitol of earth. In fact, back in Bob Hope's younger days, when you didn't even hear "fuck" on TV or the radio, I don't recall serial killers in America, which is remarkable because I used to read an encyclopedia of Serial killers. I can't think of one back then but I'm probably wrong.

Why did I read an encyclopedia of Serial killers?

Apparently you didn't read an encyclopedia of serial killers or it was a very poor one.

The list of serial killers in the US dares back to the 1700s.

 List of serial killers in the United States

 

[Matthew Mussolini]

That type of violence was much more common in the past. Knifings was a huge problem. What changed was access to guns. USA has a high degree of teens having access to guns. So the results of that is predictable. If we'd have the same access to guns 150 years ago, we'd be seeing much more school shooting back then than what we have today. Life was incredibly cheap back then. People were murdered left and right for the most trivial reasons.



Not accurate. Most of the mentally ill 100 years ago were sufferers of syphilis. We have a cure for syphilis now.

A lot of mental illness diagnosises were first diagnosed not that long ago. When I was young ADHD wasn't a thing. Autism was only diagnosed when it was quite extreme. We are much better at identifying mental illness now. Which explain the increase. Or to put it in simple terms. We have no idea how common mental illness useed to be.

Suicide statistics are complete bullshit. We have no idea how common suicides are. In cultures where it's shameful to commit suicide doctors are kind enough to interpret suicides as accidents. And this is most cultures. Japan is a famous outliar, with a culture that thinks suicides is an honorable way to go. Unsurprisingly they top the charts. I'm assuming that they don't really have more suicides there than elsewhere.



This has been explained a million times now. Sweden collects rape statistics differently than other countries. That's why the high number. Before 2010 we had comparatibly low rape rates. After 2010 they shot up. Which is when we started to collect the statistics differently. People who write articles about the high rape prevalence in Sweden are always disingenuous and have a habit of comparing statistics 1:1 as if they are collected in the same way.



It's hard to answer, since that man has shaped our modern world. We live in a Marxist society now, all the west. But we take it for granted now that we have forgotten where the ideas come from. The idea that technical innovation is the driver of historical events (rather than genius great men showing up) is a Marxist idea. And is seen as so obvious today that we assume that's just the natural way of interpreting history. This is known as a Materialistic reading of history.

Marx and Marxism is so intrinsic to modern society that it's today hard to say what is Marxism and what isn't. The fact that USSR redefined Marx to suit their own needs doesn't help in understanding him. They treated him as a patron saint, which hasn't been helpful in understanding his work or it's relevance.

But I don't identify as a Marxist necessarily. He's just one in a long row of thinkers that have changed the world for the better (and sometimes for the worse). I'm a bigger fan of Nietzsche for instance. And identify more with being a liberal than with being Marxist. Yes, there is a difference.

I believe there is some truth to all of what you say. I don't accept it as Gospel truth. I don't accept anything as Gospel truth.

However, Islam has been at war with the world since it was founded. Yeah yeah , there is stupid shit and violence in Scripture, but Jesus was nothing like Muhammad. Jesus forgave those who crucified him and rebuked his Apostles for taking up swords to defend him.

Muhammad cut off heads and hands and was a terrorist.

Muslims have been trying to rape and pillage Europe as the Moors and Ottoman Empire for many Centuries, and almost succeeded were it not for the Turkish fleet getting sunk at Lepanto.

Many Muslim immigrants going into Europe have never seen an unveiled woman before, and where they come from it is okay to gang rape unveiled women. I'm 100% convinced this is the primary cause of the rape epidemic in Sweden and Europe.

So, you live in Sweden? I'm part Swedish.

Also, have you ever read this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Fátima

I could never be a Marxist after studying that, going there as a child, and experiencing the power of Marian devotion and the Rosary. Our Lady of Fatima said the errors of Russia would spread throughout the world , and worked a miracle that many atheists said they witnessed.

Now, nothing happened to the sun. It was a vision, A sign promised to all who showed up at that time and that location. The prophecy of the coming of World War 2 and the Spread of Communism throughout the world was contained in the message to illiterate Shepherd children who should have never known about or been thinking about such matters.

I think you missed the Jesus being son of god part. Jesus forgiving people doesn't erase all the abortions his father performed prior to his arrival. Ya know great flood, fireballing cities, pillaging and taking woman & children as property. That wonderful stuff that makes one take Jesus and his forgiveness seriously.

I don't agree with God on almost anything. I think he's A jerk. That's why I contend with him.

Mussolini means Jacob, the first Jew. Jacob became Israel after he fought with God all night and won. Israel means "contender with God, one who wrestles with God".

You can fight with God and win and get God to change his mind. That is all in the Bible.

But I'm a Shinto, the state Religion of Japan, which means I don't believe in Scripture, Doctrine, or have a founder of my religion (no one knows who founded Shinto. There are no Scriptures or Doctrine in Shinto other than the dead become Kami (Spirits/divinities) and can be contacted and benefit from our prayers and offerings. So, there is no Doctrine or Scriptures in Shinto to argue and fight over.

I accept that Jesus died to atone for my sins and rose from the dead, but I don't believe you have to believe that in this life to be saved. I believe everyone will be enlightened after death to know the truth, and they can choose what they want to do with it.

 

[Matthew Mussolini]

When America had censorship laws we weren't the serial killer capitol of earth. In fact, back in Bob Hope's younger days, when you didn't even hear "fuck" on TV or the radio, I don't recall serial killers in America, which is remarkable because I used to read an encyclopedia of Serial killers. I can't think of one back then but I'm probably wrong.

Why did I read an encyclopedia of Serial killers?

Apparently you didn't read an encyclopedia of serial killers or it was a very poor one.

The list of serial killers in the US dares back to the 1700s.

 List of serial killers in the United States

If you read the text you quoted, I said "I'm probably wrong".

 

[Matthew Mussolini]

No, that's bullshit.

So, if 90% of the people want pedophilia and crystal meth to be legal, it should be?

If 90% of society, or, you know, "society" wants something, why in the name of Saint Quetzacoatl would one man be right in telling them, "No." How's that work?
If 90% want a vote, one wants a dictatorship, how do you justify a dictatorship?

It's A topic for another thread I planned on starting. Not all fascist Dictatorships are good obviously.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Try to have a little empathy. Matt lives with demons you can't imagine.
Tom

Nope. Personally I'm fucking tired of being told to have empathy for fascists. Fuck that.

Pretty much this.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Try to have a little empathy. Matt lives with demons you can't imagine.
Tom

Nope. Personally I'm fucking tired of being told to have empathy for fascists. Fuck that.

Yeah, I get it.
Personally, I'm tired of being told to have empathy for people like Andrea Constand and George Floyd.

But there you have it.
Tom

Really? Ok, well, I guess MM isn't the biggest asshole in this thread then.

 

[Worldtraveller]

No, read the Doctrine of Fascism and find one single example.

Assigning other people homework to prove your point is a jerk thing to do, Matt. Besides, even if the book is jerk-free, doesn't demonstrate you follow it entirely.

Also, islam is a religion of peace.

 

[Keith&Co.]

No, that's bullshit.

So, if 90% of the people want pedophilia and crystal meth to be legal, it should be?

If 90% of society, or, you know, "society" wants something, why in the name of Saint Quetzacoatl would one man be right in telling them, "No." How's that work?
If 90% want a vote, one wants a dictatorship, how do you justify a dictatorship?

It's A topic for another thread I planned on starting. Not all fascist Dictatorships are good obviously.

Then why have a dictatorship? The nature of a dictatorship resists change if we find that it's not a 'good' dictatorship.
But as we just saw, there are avenues for change if, say, a democracy finds itself with a piece of shit at the helm,

 

[Keith&Co.]

There are no Scriptures or Doctrine in Shinto other than

You keep saying 'no doctrines... except...'
Maybe you should find a better way of saying that? Since 'no doctrine' isn't accurate?
"Where the only doctrine is,...", maybe?

 

[Matthew Mussolini]

Like, I don't get how he doesn't understand that the primary point of contention we have is with their desire to enforce their (theocratic) model of propriety on society, and to invalidate the goals and identities of people who are merely just living their lives harmlessly and joyfully.

Further, perhaps, is his worship of a form of government that makes itself pointedly vulnerable to all the flaws any single ruler may have, and the instabilities over time arising from a turnstile of such flawed humans. It looks great on paper the same way communism does, but in reality it has too many points of failure, either be it in the points of failure exposed and leveraged out of the singular dictator or the points of failure as control slips to oligarchy, with fascism and communism respectively. When you mix the two you end up with something like Russia: a broken economy owned by oligarchs where the bearings will continue until morale improves.

In reality, a combination of self-rule and socialism based on a more reasonable schema of ownership (where the leverage of personal gain against "I own it" means that ownership transfers, commensurate with the force of leverage applied, to those leveraged against): the use of leverage for personal gain ought be an act of implicit sale.

I don't believe anything should be forced unless we have a leader who knows what is best for society. Some things are best to enforce. If it improves the economy, improves unity, creates sound minds, protects innocence, and speaks the truth about violent hate groups like Islam, then enforcing certain laws and rules can save and enhance lives.

Back when America had a censorship on the media and entertainment industry and prayer in schools, there was far fewer suicides, mental illness, and crime. Apparently life wasn't so bad afterall when filth that teaches us to be selfish wasn't promoted in the media and entertainment industry.

"Who knows what is best for society". Well that's sure a loaded fucking gun in your mouth!

The fact is, there weren't less or fewer of any of those things per capita. We just didn't hear about it because, well, there WASN'T FREE AND EASY INFORMATION EXCHANGE. The best people had was television (centralized distribution), newspapers (also central distribution), telephones (which corrupted information in transit) and church (which corrupts information based on biases, including the "facebook effect"*). What you propose is living life in ignorance, and denying self determination.

The fact is that the "filth" that teach selfishness are the christians in this country. I've been watching them do it for years. Socialism is literally the ism of "society before self". I wonder who has been preaching against that lately. Hint: it's the fascists.

Edit: "the facebook effect" is, here, intended to refer to the effect where, in an attempt to socially posture, someone only relates the most positive things in their life.

Christians often preach stupid shit of course.

But having lived in the ghetto I got my meals, clothes, hygiene products, and sometimes free money from Christians. Christians have been far more kind than atheists in my personal experience.

I accept Jesus's death to atone for my sins , i pray to Christ, but I'm actually not a Christian by the way , because Christianity and stupid talk about hell is bad for my mental health.

I'm a Shinto, which is the state Religion of Japan. Shinto is compatible with Christianity, but there are no Doctrines, Scriptures, or founder of Shinto, so nothing to argue about other than the dead become Kami (Spirits/Divinities).


Also, take the amount of people killed by Fascists and multiply it by five , and you have almost the kill count of Socialists.

 

[Matthew Mussolini]

There are no Scriptures or Doctrine in Shinto other than

You keep saying 'no doctrines... except...'
Maybe you should find a better way of saying that? Since 'no doctrine' isn't accurate?
"Where the only doctrine is,...", maybe?

Fine...there is essentially one Doctrine

 

[ZiprHead]

When America had censorship laws we weren't the serial killer capitol of earth. In fact, back in Bob Hope's younger days, when you didn't even hear "fuck" on TV or the radio, I don't recall serial killers in America, which is remarkable because I used to read an encyclopedia of Serial killers. I can't think of one back then but I'm probably wrong.

Why did I read an encyclopedia of Serial killers?

Apparently you didn't read an encyclopedia of serial killers or it was a very poor one.

The list of serial killers in the US dares back to the 1700s.

 List of serial killers in the United States

If you read the text you quoted, I said "I'm probably wrong".

No, you are definitively wrong.

 

[Worldtraveller]

If you read the text you quoted, I said "I'm probably wrong".

No, you are definitively wrong.

And if MM weren't so damn wrong one could at least take him semi-seriously. But to claim to have 'read up' on something as trivial as this, and the bloody wikipedia page shows how wrong he is.... well, that smells of something other than intellectual honesty.

 

[Matthew Mussolini]

No, read the Doctrine of Fascism and find one single example.

Assigning other people homework to prove your point is a jerk thing to do, Matt. Besides, even if the book is jerk-free, doesn't demonstrate you follow it entirely.

Also, islam is a religion of peace.

The Qur'an is full of violence and has psychopathic tortures and mutilation, so Islam is violent in it's intrinsic nature.

The Doctrine of Fascism is the essence of Fascism and is without violence or racism, therefore Fascism in it's intrinsic nature is peaceful.

Democracy is racist and violent by your logic, because look at all the racist laws we had in America, genocide of Indians, and the terrorist attacks on civilians when we dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

No, that was not a reflection of Democracy. Neither is behavior of Fascists a reflection of the intrinsic nature and essence of Fascism.

The Doctrine of Fascism has no violence, so...

 

[Matthew Mussolini]

If you read the text you quoted, I said "I'm probably wrong".

No, you are definitively wrong.

And if MM weren't so damn wrong one could at least take him semi-seriously. But to claim to have 'read up' on something as trivial as this, and the bloody wikipedia page shows how wrong he is.... well, that smells of something other than intellectual honesty.

No, I said I read an encyclopedia of Serial killers and didn't recall any from when Bob Hope was a youngster. That wasn't A lie. I simply couldn't recall a serial killer from that time.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

The Qur'an is full of violence

So is the Bible.