I'm a Fascist. Am I welcome here?

[TomC]

But this isn't just referring to scripture, he's using holy writings as his evidence. "Islam is violent, i know because SCRIPTURE."

Humans are violent. Most are religious.

Religionists in general are violent. Especially Abrahamic religionists. And they justify their behavior with Scripture.

Islam is violent. That's not the same as saying all Muslims are violent because they're not. Plenty of Muslims are peaceful folk. Similarly, plenty of Christians are peaceful folk, despite Scripture.

But you can't really avoid Scripture entirely in the Western world.
Tom

 

[Keith&Co.]

But you can't really avoid Scripture entirely in the Western world.
Tom

i would agree. But that's completely apart from what he's literally claiming.

Not sure if MM does not use a standard definition of 'scripture' or of 'reject.'

 

[Ford]

The Doctrine of Fascism is the essence of Fascism and is without violence or racism, therefore Fascism in it's intrinsic nature is peaceful.

Democracy is racist and violent by your logic, because look at all the racist laws we had in America, genocide of Indians, and the terrorist attacks on civilians when we dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

No, that was not a reflection of Democracy. Neither is behavior of Fascists a reflection of the intrinsic nature and essence of Fascism.

The Doctrine of Fascism has no violence, so...

So how come all fascist dictatorships ended up being incredibly violent, constantly searching for anything weak to attack. Italy wasn't the only fascist state. Argentina under Peron. Chile under Pinochet. Syria under Assad. Iraq under Saddam. Turkey under Atatürk. Spain under Franco. Japan under Kunoye. Hungary under Horthy. While Germany under Hitler technically isn't fascism. It certainly comes pretty damn close. Not to mention the large group of fascist dictators in banana republics and in Africa.

All very similar. All a complete shit show of corrupt governments committing gross acts of violence upon it's own population and most often others.

If the doctrine of fascism doesn't preach violence, how come that's always how it's ended up being? They're ALL the same. There's no example of a fascist state that hasn't turned into an orgy of violence upon it's own population. And the degree of violence is another point. They're unsurpassed in the grotesqueness of the violence. Their torture methods are the cruelest humanity has ever devised. And they didn't hesitate to use it. They would execute people for the mildest of transgressions.

Your point of fascism being a peaceful ideology is a hard sell. You'd might as well convince me that Stalin was the friend of the working class.

For the same reason Democracies can be so violent.

In the 20th century, I'm guessing atheist regimes killed five times as many people as Fascists. Does that make Atheism violent?

So that's your excuse for fascism?

"Yeah, Hitler slaughtered millions in the camps, and started a war that killed tens of millions, but hey...that Stalin was really bad, so fascism is a puppy dog!"

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[Matthew Mussolini]

How far did you go with English Classes?
You did not say you reject some scripture. You say you're Shinto exactly because you reject scripture, and Shinto doesn't have any.
But you reject Islam because of the scripture in the Koran, for example. That's not rejecting scripture....

Some of what people call Scripture is historical accounts. If I find wisdom or proverbs that don't go against my conscience, I choose to reflect on it or practice it. But I almost never read the Bible. Even atheists should know the Bible to know how to debate theists.

Just because I think some of the Bible is true, doesn't mean I believe in Scripture. I believe in some of the world book encyclopedia too, that doesn't make it Scripture.

And yes, I am Shinto, and I do reject Scripture.

Except the scripture of fascism.

if I thought it were Scripture, that would mean I thought it was without error. I haven't taken such a leap of faith. But I sometimes refer to it as Fascist Scripture, just the context of how I'm using the word Scripture just means "sacred text".

In Shinto, you have the liberty to believe whatever you essentially want to believe. The only thing you are required to believe is the dead become Kami. In Shinto, you are allowed to believe in the Bible, it just is discouraged for fear that it will lead to division, arguments, and distract from devotion to Kami.

I believe the Doctrine of Fascism was inspired by sentient Spirit beings. That doesn't mean it is without error or Scripture as the word is traditionally understood.

 

[Matthew Mussolini]

But you can't really avoid Scripture entirely in the Western world.
Tom

i would agree. But that's completely apart from what he's literally claiming.

Not sure if MM does not use a standard definition of 'scripture' or of 'reject.'

I reject traditional claims about Scripture being the inerrant word of God

 

[Matthew Mussolini]

For the same reason Democracies can be so violent.

In the 20th century, I'm guessing atheist regimes killed five times as many people as Fascists. Does that make Atheism violent?

So that's your excuse for fascism?

"Yeah, Hitler slaughtered millions in the camps, and started a war that killed tens of millions, but hey...that Stalin was really bad, so fascism is a puppy dog!"

This trolling is getting really bad, "Matt."

Hitler wasn't arguably a Fascist, he was a National Socialist, and he was retaliating over Germany's loss of World war 1 and the treaty of Versailles.

Mussolini did more than Chamberlain to try to prevent world war 2. Fascism was not the reason for Hitler retaliating over World War 1 or Hitler's racism.

 

[Keith&Co.]

But you can't really avoid Scripture entirely in the Western world.
Tom

i would agree. But that's completely apart from what he's literally claiming.

Not sure if MM does not use a standard definition of 'scripture' or of 'reject.'

I reject traditional claims about Scripture being the inerrant word of God

So, what is it you reject, exactly? What's written in scripture, or the claim it's divinely inspired?

 

[Ford]

For the same reason Democracies can be so violent.

In the 20th century, I'm guessing atheist regimes killed five times as many people as Fascists. Does that make Atheism violent?

So that's your excuse for fascism?

"Yeah, Hitler slaughtered millions in the camps, and started a war that killed tens of millions, but hey...that Stalin was really bad, so fascism is a puppy dog!"

This trolling is getting really bad, "Matt."

Hitler wasn't arguably a Fascist, he was a National Socialist, and he was retaliating over Germany's loss of World war 1 and the treaty of Versailles.

Mussolini did more than Chamberlain to try to prevent world war 2. Fascism was not the reason for Hitler retaliating over World War 1 or Hitler's racism.

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It is true that nationalism and socialism were (as Friedrich Meinecke wrote in "The German Catastrophe") the "two great waves of the age," but Hitler was not even remotely a socialist. Anyone who has cracked open a book on German history of the era can tell you that the name "National Socialist" was disingenuous, and that one of the first of many groups the Nazis began rounding up were the socialists.

And you've got that last bit spectacularly wrong.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Hitler wasn't arguably a Fascist, he was a National Socialist, and he was retaliating over Germany's loss of World war 1 and the treaty of Versailles.

Mussolini did more than Chamberlain to try to prevent world war 2. Fascism was not the reason for Hitler retaliating over World War 1 or Hitler's racism.

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It is true that nationalism and socialism were (as Friedrich Meinecke wrote in "The German Catastrophe") the "two great waves of the age," but Hitler was not even remotely a socialist. Anyone who has cracked open a book on German history of the era can tell you that the name "National Socialist" was disingenuous, and that one of the first of many groups the Nazis began rounding up were the socialists.

And you've got that last bit spectacularly wrong.

You missed Rule #1 of Fascism: Thou shalt not contradict a fascist.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

By age 12 I was a sociopath with a criminal record (though I have never committed a sexual offense, in my heart I was a mass murderer. I am without a doubt pornography was what fucked me up because of how quickly I became perverted right after exposure to it, and how innocent I was prior to that.)

Note what else happened at that time: puberty.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I like the post , I just highly doubt it's accurate. For instance, if there was a single school shooting in the 19 30-40's we obviously would know about it.

I never saw a reply to my previous point about school shootings being mostly a product of mass media--without the publicity the incentive to do it isn't there. And the first mass shooting at a school in the US was in 1764.

Also , suicide and mental illness has gone up a lot just in my lifetime.

Of course mental illness has "increased"--we have gotten a lot better at diagnosing it and treating it, thus more people seek treatment. As for suicide, the oldest data I can find is back to 1960--and the US suicide rate has been pretty much flat over that interval.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Matthew Janes is my full name. I asked God in the Kingdom of heaven to change my name to " Matthew Mussolini".

In most states, that's a $150 filing court filing, plus a small fee for notarizing. Or you could marry an olive oil importer. God probably doesn't give a particular damn.

Around here the required public advertisement actually costs more than the filing fee. The RealID crap caused my wife to have to legally "change" her name to correct a trivial error at naturalization. We had gone through life for many years before an eagle eye in social security noticed the problem and even then we simply lived with social security having it wrong--no sensible human would have a problem with the difference. RealID removes "sensible" from the picture.

 

[Ford]

By age 12 I was a sociopath with a criminal record (though I have never committed a sexual offense, in my heart I was a mass murderer. I am without a doubt pornography was what fucked me up because of how quickly I became perverted right after exposure to it, and how innocent I was prior to that.)

Note what else happened at that time: puberty.

The "I'm a sociopath but don't get me wrong I'm not a sex offender" is also a bit weird. I mean, "hi, my name's Matt, and just to let you know I'm not a sex offender" is an odd conversation starter. Especially coming from someone who leads with "I'm a fascist, are you okay with that?"

 

[Keith&Co.]

to 1960--and the US suicide rate has been pretty much flat over that interval.

Which probably means it's gone down. Such a stigma to suicide over so many years, a lot of authorities would rule it an accident to spare the family, if they possibly could.
Read a british doctor/historian account of Beachy Head. They once cut their suicide rate in half. Not by policing the cliffs people kept jumping off of, but by hiring a new coroner.
If there was no suicide note, or a witness to a statement of intent to kill themself, he would put 'misadventure' on the death certificate.

So, rates of such things are hard yo nail down...

 

[laughing dog]

You missed Rule #1 of Fascism: Thou shalt not contradict a fascist and live.

FIFY

 

[Matthew Mussolini]

Hitler wasn't arguably a Fascist, he was a National Socialist, and he was retaliating over Germany's loss of World war 1 and the treaty of Versailles.

Mussolini did more than Chamberlain to try to prevent world war 2. Fascism was not the reason for Hitler retaliating over World War 1 or Hitler's racism.

Okay, "Matt," this trolling sure is fun, but before you go down the "Hitler was a socialist!" route, consider that there are people who have studied the rise of fascism in Germany and understand the topic far better than you.

It is true that nationalism and socialism were (as Friedrich Meinecke wrote in "The German Catastrophe") the "two great waves of the age," but Hitler was not even remotely a socialist. Anyone who has cracked open a book on German history of the era can tell you that the name "National Socialist" was disingenuous, and that one of the first of many groups the Nazis began rounding up were the socialists.

And you've got that last bit spectacularly wrong.

I said Hitler was a National Socialist.

The Nazi party was such a deformed hybrid of Fascism, it simply contained toxic stuff that isn't fascist.

Mussolini put troops on the border with Austria, stalling Hitler's annexation of Austria, Mussolini told Hitler to avoid invading Poland because it was a Catholic country, Mussolini stalled Hitler's invasion of Czechoslovakia. He didn't want that war.

With the fall of France Hitler was threatening to I invade Italy for being unfaithful to the pact of steel. German propaganda was also promising to create a antibolshivek anti communist block of Europe that defends Religion against the attacks of militant secularists and atheists.

Mussolini didn't like Hitler anymore than Patton liked his ally Joseph Stalin.

Patton and Stalin were allies but they hated each other. Likewise, Hitler and Benito didn't have much in common.

 

[Matthew Mussolini]

By age 12 I was a sociopath with a criminal record (though I have never committed a sexual offense, in my heart I was a mass murderer. I am without a doubt pornography was what fucked me up because of how quickly I became perverted right after exposure to it, and how innocent I was prior to that.)

Note what else happened at that time: puberty.

The "I'm a sociopath but don't get me wrong I'm not a sex offender" is also a bit weird. I mean, "hi, my name's Matt, and just to let you know I'm not a sex offender" is an odd conversation starter. Especially coming from someone who leads with "I'm a fascist, are you okay with that?"

Because I mentioned having serial killer fantasies and being perverted shortly after exposure to porn. Yeah, it made me creepy. I could have been a serial killer age twelve when I had no morals and was an atheist. Fortunately, I have developed a moral code.

 

[Ford]

Fortunately, I have developed a moral code.

Um..."Benito Mussolini was a great guy and fascism is awesome" isn't exactly a "moral code."

 

[laughing dog]

Hitler wasn't arguably a Fascist, he was a National Socialist, and he was retaliating over Germany's loss of World war 1 and the treaty of Versailles.

Mussolini did more than Chamberlain to try to prevent world war 2. Fascism was not the reason for Hitler retaliating over World War 1 or Hitler's racism.

Okay, "Matt," this trolling sure is fun, but before you go down the "Hitler was a socialist!" route, consider that there are people who have studied the rise of fascism in Germany and understand the topic far better than you.

It is true that nationalism and socialism were (as Friedrich Meinecke wrote in "The German Catastrophe") the "two great waves of the age," but Hitler was not even remotely a socialist. Anyone who has cracked open a book on German history of the era can tell you that the name "National Socialist" was disingenuous, and that one of the first of many groups the Nazis began rounding up were the socialists.

And you've got that last bit spectacularly wrong.

I said Hitler was a National Socialist.

The Nazi party was such a deformed hybrid of Fascism, it simply contained toxic stuff that isn't fascist.

Mussolini put troops on the border with Austria, stalling Hitler's annexation of Austria, Mussolini told Hitler to avoid invading Poland because it was a Catholic country, Mussolini stalled Hitler's invasion of Czechoslovakia. He didn't want that war.

With the fall of France Hitler was threatening to I invade Italy for being unfaithful to the pact of steel. German propaganda was also promising to create a antibolshivek anti communist block of Europe that defends Religion against the attacks of militant secularists and atheists.

Mussolini didn't like Hitler anymore than Patton liked his ally Joseph Stalin.

Patton and Stalin were allies but they hated each other. Likewise, Hitler and Benito didn't have much in common.

Patton made no pacts with the USSR - FDR did. Patton did not choose Stalin as an ally - Mussolini choose Hitler as an ally. So, your response is based on misinformation.

 

[Matthew Mussolini]

Fortunately, I have developed a moral code.

Um..."Benito Mussolini was a great guy and fascism is awesome" isn't exactly a "moral code."

I think he is a great guy now.

I believe he has been purified through purgatory and been perfected and repented of his errors.

I don't think he was " A great guy".

I don't think any politician battling the errors of Communism at that time could be a great guy. They had to viciously attack wolves who were seeking to harm the flock.

A nice sheep dog wont make a very good sheep dog.

I believe Mussolini accomplished the greatest achievements of any single 20th or 21st century politician, but I don't think he was "A great guy".

He had his Demons and his Angels.

I feel he is the most misunderstood person in history I know of.

Like, Fascism has become the ugliest word these days. Islam has done more to deserve that title. The sacred Islamic text and life of the Prophet was barbaric.

The Doctrine of Fascism is Spiritual, wise, and non violent.

Fascism is not always awesome. I don't like the way it was practiced in the Bible.

I don't think there are many good guys out there. Benito was far better than the average, and the most gifted politician I know of, despite not always using those gifts well.