How can Derek Chauvin expect a fair trial in Minneapolis?

[Derec]

A judge denied a motion for change of venue.
How is that legally justified? Sure, the case is known in the rest of the state to some extent too, but not nearly to the extent that people know about it in Minneapolis. You have a city that suffered months of rioting because of George Floyd. You have the city that is right now tolerating an armed occupation of a part of the city, dubbed "George Floyd Autonomous Zone".
FBI to monitor Minneapolis 'autonomous zone' in George Floyd Square amid Derek Chauvin trial

The FBI is now helping Minneapolis police monitor an intersection renamed George Floyd Square that has since devolved into an "autonomous zone" that’s brought record levels of violent crime and gun violence to the neighborhood since last May, as local residents and businesses pleaded for help.
The intersection of E. 38th Street and Chicago Avenue -- where a bystander recorded the viral video that showed ex-Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin pressing his knee into on Floyd’s neck on May 25, 2020 -- was first converted into a memorial and renamed George Floyd Square after his death. But concrete barricades set up by the city last year to protect demonstrators from traffic now act as the barriers to an "autonomous zone" co-opted by armed individuals declaring law enforcement are unwelcome, as gang activity, drug dealing and gun violence disrupt local business operations.

The mayor and the city council are derelict in their duties for allowing a bunch of extremists to occupy territory in their city.


So how is this anything but a show trial? A conviction is a foregone conclusion in Minneapolis, as the jurors know that an acquittal will mean a resumption of deadly rioting.

 

[Trausti]

So how is this anything but a show trial? A conviction is a foregone conclusion

Is it, though? Sure the media has done it’s bit to inflame and misinform. But methinks when the truth comes out the verdict will be surprising to some.

 

[Derec]

Is it, though? Sure the media has done it’s bit to inflame and misinform. But methinks when the truth comes out the verdict will be surprising to some.

Then the city will burn. Again.

 

[Trausti]

Is it, though? Sure the media has done it’s bit to inflame and misinform. But methinks when the truth comes out the verdict will be surprising to some.

Then the city will burn. Again.

People get the government they deserve.

 

[untermensche]

It is what happens when you abuse your authority and kill people in broad daylight.

Easy to avoid.

Let the man begging to breathe breathe.

 

[laughing dog]

First, if you think Mr. Chauvin cannot get a fair trial in Minneapolis, where do you think he could get one?

Second, whatever trial Mr. Chauvin receives, it will be fairer than the treatment Mr. Floyd received.

 

[Trausti]

It is what happens when you abuse your authority and kill people in broad daylight.

Easy to avoid.

Let the man begging to breathe breathe.

And there ya go. He said he couldn’t breath while he was sitting in the police vehicle and asked to lay on the ground. How often did the media report that? Not much.

 

[Derec]

It is what happens when you abuse your authority and kill people in broad daylight.

Easy to avoid.

Let the man begging to breathe breathe.

His difficulties breathing stemmed from the fentanyl and meth he swallowed. His lungs filled with liquid because of those drugs. His airway wasn't blocked - he would not be able to speak if it was.

Note that George Floyd swallowed drugs during a past arrest too, but he got away with it that time.

 

[TomC]

First, if you think Mr. Chauvin cannot get a fair trial in Minneapolis, where do you think he could get one?

Second, whatever trial Mr. Chauvin receives, it will be fairer than the treatment Mr. Floyd received.

Will it?
I'm not so sure.
Tom

 

[Derec]

First, if you think Mr. Chauvin cannot get a fair trial in Minneapolis, where do you think he could get one?

A place outside the Twin Cities metro area given the amount of coverage - and rioting - that George Floyd received there.

Second, whatever trial Mr. Chauvin receives, it will be fairer than the treatment Mr. Floyd received.

Is that the criminal justice standard now or only when the defendant is a cop?

 

[Elixir]

It is what happens when you abuse your authority and kill people in broad daylight.

Easy to avoid.

Let the man begging to breathe breathe.

And there ya go. He said he couldn’t breath while he was sitting in the police vehicle and asked to lay on the ground. How often did the media report that? Not much.

There ya go. Absolutely. Even as he was laying face down on the ground begging for someone to kneel on neck, he was still resisting arrest. In fact after he was finally dead, he said "ah, that's much better, thank you!". Those were his last words, but how often does the media report that? Not much. And there ya go.

 

[Elixir]

First, if you think Mr. Chauvin cannot get a fair trial in Minneapolis, where do you think he could get one?

Second, whatever trial Mr. Chauvin receives, it will be fairer than the treatment Mr. Floyd received.

Will it?
I'm not so sure.
Tom

Huh? You think they will actually sentence him to having someone kneel on his neck and take 8:46 to kill him? Or something worse?

 

[Elixir]

So how is this anything but a show trial? A conviction is a foregone conclusion

Is it, though? Sure the media has done it’s bit to inflame and misinform. But methinks when the truth comes out the verdict will be surprising to some.

Yeah, kinda like when Trump won that election and the media misinformed everyone that Biden won. After that debacle it's amazing that anyone would any attention to sources like the mainstream media - sources that don't even agree that Trump won the election except for massive invisible voter fraud. Sheesh.


ETA: The possessive form of "it" is "its", not "it's". </GN>

 

[untermensche]

It is what happens when you abuse your authority and kill people in broad daylight.

Easy to avoid.

Let the man begging to breathe breathe.

His difficulties breathing stemmed from the fentanyl and meth he swallowed. His lungs filled with liquid because of those drugs. His airway wasn't blocked - he would not be able to speak if it was.

Note that George Floyd swallowed drugs during a past arrest too, but he got away with it that time.

Your lungs don't fill with fluid when you have fentanyl and meth in your system. They counteract one another.

He died because he had respiratory suppression because of fentanyl and because a murdering cop would not let him take a deep breath.

 

[Derec]

Your lungs don't fill with fluid when you have fentanyl and meth in your system. They counteract one another.

Pulmonary edema is very common with fentanyl overdoses.

Please cite a source that says that mixing fentanyl with meth is protective of pulmonary edemas.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I am hearing, "that poor white man. It's not fair!" I mean, there's an obvious Western liberal ideal that a person should have a fair trial before their peers and you want those peers to be unbiased, but the offender in this case created a situation where the public has received tons of information about his immoral actions because he murderied someone on camera. The dilemma is a consequence of his own actions. The state ought to try to give him a fair trial, but if it cannot result in completely ignorant peers in a jury, it should still move forward. It isn't a coincidence that regardless of what is workable in the real world, conservative identity politics is going to play a role in completely focusing on the wrong thing about this trial. It's up to everyone else to be consistent, calm, and practical.

 

[TSwizzle]

So how is this anything but a show trial? A conviction is a foregone conclusion

Is it, though? Sure the media has done it’s bit to inflame and misinform. But methinks when the truth comes out the verdict will be surprising to some.

It is going to be very interesting to see how this goes. The media have pulled out all the stops this morning, airing interviews with tearful relatives banging on about getting justice, covering the rallies demanding justice, Sharpton sticking his nose in etc. But a conviction for murder/manslaughter is by no means a foregone conclusion. I don't know that there is any evidence that Chauvin's actions caused the death of Floyd.

 

[Patooka]

Considering this case is known throughout the fucking world, what exactly is a change of venue going to accomplish? You could house this trial in the middle of the fucking Amazon and indigenous people would have heard of it.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Is there some information the good people of Minneapolis possess the rest of the nation does not? No. Emotions may be running higher. Jurors are not to let emotions influence their decision. I see no reason not to hold the trial there.

Is there precedent for what Chauvin did and was there a guilty verdict? That’s your hurdle.

 

[laughing dog]

First, if you think Mr. Chauvin cannot get a fair trial in Minneapolis, where do you think he could get one?

Second, whatever trial Mr. Chauvin receives, it will be fairer than the treatment Mr. Floyd received.

Will it?
I'm not so sure.
Tom

You think Mr. Chauvin will not get a reasoned judgment from 12 jurors and then be immediately killed?