"Protester" Misconduct Catch All Thread

[Derec]

We have multiple arrests of false-flag vandalism.

I only recall one - the Autozone guy. Do you have examples of more? Even if you have a few more, they are a small minority of total incidents. Most are true believers.
You seem to be assuming that if an arrested person is white, it is a false flag. But many #BLM and Antifa activists are white.

And we have obvious patterns of protesters being followed by vandals.

That does not mean that the two groups do not belong to the same ideological bend (#BLM and Antifa supporters) or that they are not often the same persons engaging in those two activities. Somebody who protests for #BLM at 6pm can throw a Molotov cocktail at 9pm. That does not make it a "false flag" attack or that person suddenly distinct from "protesters".

 

[Derec]

False flag, Loren?
Man arrested in Indianapolis on attempted murder, other charges stemming from Portland riots

A grand jury has indicted an Indiana man on allegations that he attempted to murder two police officers during separate riots in Portland, Oregon by using explosive devices, Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt announced Monday.

Malik Muhammed was arrested at an Indianapolis residence on April 2 of 2021 and is currently at the Marion County Jail awaiting extradition to Oregon.

A more detailed article about Malik Muhammed, illustrating my point about the same person sometimes engaging in both peaceful protest and destructive/violent conduct at different times:
Controversial Indianapolis activist accused of attempted murder in Oregon protests

An Indianapolis activist who has a complicated standing among the city's protest community but gained recognition last summer in the fight for racial justice faces multiple charges, including attempted murder, in Oregon.
Malik Muhammed, 24, was arrested Friday on eight warrants out of Portland after police said he threw multiple firebombs at officers and buildings during protests last year.
Muhammed now awaits extradition to Oregon. His charges include three counts of attempted murder, unlawful manufacture of a destructive device, two counts of unlawful use of a weapon, unlawful possession of a firearm and unlawful possession of a loaded firearm in public.
Portland police said their investigation showed Muhammed allegedly lobbed a firebomb at an officer on Sept. 23, scorching the officer's uniform. Police also accused Muhammed of throwing a yellow ignitable device, which did not catch fire, at officers on Sept. 21.
[...]
In Indianapolis, Muhammed’s place in the protest community is precarious.
Portland police said Malik Muhammed threw this flammable device at officers during last year's protests. It did not ignite.
He organized peaceful marches during the height of the summer’s protests and lamented when some nights saw fatal shootings. He then told IndyStar that the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department was trigger-happy with tear gas volleys, pepper balls and intimidation in their response.
He was also the subject of criticism for hugging an officer during an organized march to the governor’s officer. He previously said the hug was an attempt to de-escalate what was looking to be another clash between police and civilians. Indy10 Black Lives Matter later tweeted the following after the embrace:
“Making this real clear. We don’t shake hands with the enemy.”
A judge Monday granted Muhammed’s waiver of an extradition hearing.

Seems like the guy had some potential as a bridge-builder, but was conflicted between peaceful protest and violence. Too bad "Indy10 Black Lives Matter" seduced him to the Dark Side ...

 

[ZiprHead]

We have multiple arrests of false-flag vandalism.

I only recall one - the Autozone guy. Do you have examples of more?

Minnesota Officials Link Arrested Looters to ‘White Supremacist’ Groups

Police: Richmond riots instigated by white supremacists disguised as Black Lives Matter

White Supremacists Arrested in Weatherford (impersonating Antifa)

White supremacists and other extremist groups are using protests and a pandemic to amplify their message

I could post many, many more.

 

[Derec]

I could post many, many more.

I doubt you could. Those are very isolated incidents, among thousands of incidents of vandalism, arson and looting last year alone.
Of course, you and Loren use the rare false flags to dismiss any criticism of #BLM and Antifa.

For example, the leader of Chicago #BLM advocating looting as a form of "reparations".

‘Winning Has Come Through Revolts’: A Black Lives Matter Activist On Why She Supports Looting

Your first link does not even give any specific information but seems to conflate being from "outside of Minneapolis area" with being a "white supremacist". As if left-wing extremists can't travel!
I do not think those early claims by the left-wing Minnesota governor have been substantiated. As I said, the only Minneapolis rioter who could be shown to be a "false flag" was the Autozone guy. The rest of the incidents, like the trashing of the Target and other businesses (including a pawn shop where a looter was shot), the arson at the courthouse etc., were legit #BLM attacks.

In Atlanta too we saw a lot of destruction and violence last year, including murder of an 8 year old girl at the barricades of a SW Atlanta block taken over by heavily armed black radicals. None of what happened in Atlanta were "false flag" attacks!

 

[ZiprHead]

I could post many, many more.

I doubt you could. Those are very isolated incidents, among thousands of incidents of vandalism, arson and looting last year alone.
Of course, you and Loren use the rare false flags to dismiss any criticism of #BLM and Antifa.

For example, the leader of Chicago #BLM advocating looting as a form of "reparations".

‘Winning Has Come Through Revolts’: A Black Lives Matter Activist On Why She Supports Looting

Your first link does not even give any specific information but seems to conflate being from "outside of Minneapolis area" with being a "white supremacist". As if left-wing extremists can't travel!
I do not think those early claims by the left-wing Minnesota governor have been substantiated. As I said, the only Minneapolis rioter who could be shown to be a "false flag" was the Autozone guy. The rest of the incidents, like the trashing of the Target and other businesses (including a pawn shop where a looter was shot), the arson at the courthouse etc., were legit #BLM attacks.

In Atlanta too we saw a lot of destruction and violence last year, including murder of an 8 year old girl at the barricades of a SW Atlanta block taken over by heavily armed black radicals. None of what happened in Atlanta were "false flag" attacks!

You said this:

I only recall one - the Autozone guy. Do you have examples of more?

That's what I responded to.

Maybe you should expand your research to other than scary black people.

 

[Derec]

Maybe you should expand your research to other than scary black people.

I am doing just that. In the very post you were ostensibly replying to I also wrote this.

You seem to be assuming that if an arrested person is white, it is a false flag. But many #BLM and Antifa activists are white.

So it's very much about people of any race.

 

[ZiprHead]

Maybe you should expand your research to other than scary black people.

I am doing just that. In the very post you were ostensibly replying to I also wrote this.

You seem to be assuming that if an arrested person is white, it is a false flag. But many #BLM and Antifa activists are white.

So it's very much about people of any race.

Ah, but you didn't know almost anything about false flag operations while so many are being reported in the media. That tells me you only seek out stories that correspond to your personal biases.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I could post many, many more.

I doubt you could. Those are very isolated incidents, among thousands of incidents of vandalism, arson and looting last year alone.
Of course, you and Loren use the rare false flags to dismiss any criticism of #BLM and Antifa.

Arrests for more than graffiti are rare, period. You need to compare false flag arrests to total non-trivial arrests, not to the amount of activity.

 

[Derec]

Arrests for more than graffiti are rare, period. You need to compare false flag arrests to total non-trivial arrests, not to the amount of activity.

May be rare compared to total activity of destruction during Antifa and #BLM riots, but the genuine incidents are still far more frequent than the occasional false flags.
You are assuming "false flag" every time there is an instance of #BLM/Antifa violence. Why?

 

[Derec]

#BLMers are rioting again in Minneapolis area ...

This time in the suburb of Brooklyn Center, where a guy fleeing an arrest for a warrant was shot dead.

Protesters Clash With Police In Brooklyn Center After Deadly Officer-Involved Shooting

11:45 p.m.: There are reports of widespread looting at several businesses in the Shingle Creek Crossing shopping center in Brooklyn Center.
[...]
11:07 p.m.: Police with neighboring city Brooklyn Park say someone shot at the front door of their police department just after 8 p.m., shattering it. Police also say several businesses in the city have been looted Sunday night.
[...]
Brooklyn Center police said officers pulled over a driver they said had an outstanding arrest warrant, just before 2 p.m. on the 6300 block of Orchard Avenue. As officers were trying to arrest the driver, police say they tried to get back inside their vehicle. An officer then shot the driver, who then drove a couple blocks more before hitting another vehicle in the area of 63rd Avenue North and Kathrene Drive. No one in that second vehicle was hurt.

And before Loren et al insist that it's all "false flag" attacks by Proud Bois etc. here are some of the rioters from tonight.




And I bet the Hennepin County DA will not prosecute all these looters and rioters.

 

[Derec]

A GameStop getting looted ...

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1381470968091090948[/TWEET]

 

[Patooka]

And we know this was a protest because...?

 

[Toni]

Kid got pulled over for an air freshner hanging from the rear view mirror.

Police apparently notice there is some kind of warrant out for the kid. What type is not reported at this time.

Kid gets back into his vehicle and police shoot him. Kid drives away before crashing. Passenger in vehicle also injured. Kid is dead.

Unless that warrant is for something really awful, can someone please tell me how it is worth the life of this 20 year old kid?

 

[Derec]

Kid got pulled over for an air freshner hanging from the rear view mirror.

First of all, he was not a "kid". He was a 20 year old grown-ass adult.
Second, that's what the mother is claiming. May be true, may be a lie like when Keith Scott's wife claimed that he had a book, not a gun, but in reality he had a gun.

Police apparently notice there is some kind of warrant out for the kid. What type is not reported at this time.

No, I did not see the type of warrant either. Doesn't matter though. He was supposed to get arrested. Instead he tried to get into the car. When a suspect can get into the car, very bad things can happen.
Video shows officer blindsided in fatal shooting

Minutes after State Police officer Darian Jarrott pulled over Omar Cueva along Interstate 10 east of Deming, he noticed a firearm in the truck.
“Do you mind if I take it off you, for my safety?” Jarrott asks through the passenger side window.
The officer never got the chance.
As the two men walk to the back of the truck, Cueva raises the rifle and shoots an unsuspecting Jarrott. The officer falls to the ground, reaching for his gun, and Cueva moves around the truck, shooting him several more times.

The officer died.

Another case, where the officer survived but was very seriously injured:


This shows just how dangerous supposedly routine traffic stops can be.

Kid gets back into his vehicle and police shoot him. Kid drives away before crashing. Passenger in vehicle also injured. Kid is dead.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. "Kid" (in reality, an adult) should have let himself be arrested.

Unless that warrant is for something really awful, can someone please tell me how it is worth the life of this 20 year old kid?

When a suspect is trying to get into the car, that is a very dangerous situations.

Bottom line is, the adult man should have complied. Then he'd be in jail, but alive.

 

[Derec]

And we know this was a protest because...?

Are you somehow denying this was a protest? Did you not read the article I linked to?

 

[Patooka]

And we know this was a protest because...?

Are you somehow denying this was a protest? Did you not read the article I linked to?

I saw a 10 second tweet with zero context provided. So yeah, I'm pretty reluctant to call that "protester misconduct"

 

[Toni]

First of all, he was not a "kid". He was a 20 year old grown-ass adult.
Second, that's what the mother is claiming. May be true, may be a lie like when Keith Scott's wife claimed that he had a book, not a gun, but in reality he had a gun.


No, I did not see the type of warrant either. Doesn't matter though. He was supposed to get arrested. Instead he tried to get into the car. When a suspect can get into the car, very bad things can happen.
Video shows officer blindsided in fatal shooting

Minutes after State Police officer Darian Jarrott pulled over Omar Cueva along Interstate 10 east of Deming, he noticed a firearm in the truck.
“Do you mind if I take it off you, for my safety?” Jarrott asks through the passenger side window.
The officer never got the chance.
As the two men walk to the back of the truck, Cueva raises the rifle and shoots an unsuspecting Jarrott. The officer falls to the ground, reaching for his gun, and Cueva moves around the truck, shooting him several more times.

The officer died.

Another case, where the officer survived but was very seriously injured:


This shows just how dangerous supposedly routine traffic stops can be.

Kid gets back into his vehicle and police shoot him. Kid drives away before crashing. Passenger in vehicle also injured. Kid is dead.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. "Kid" (in reality, an adult) should have let himself be arrested.

Unless that warrant is for something really awful, can someone please tell me how it is worth the life of this 20 year old kid?

When a suspect is trying to get into the car, that is a very dangerous situations.

Bottom line is, the adult man should have complied. Then he'd be in jail, but alive.

Just like George Floyd, right?

Stop posting death porn. It's disgusting.

And YEAH I said KID--someone who cannot legally purchase or consume alcoholic beverages, tobacco or vape, cannot sign some types of contracts, rent a car or hotel rooms and a host of other things that legally, one is not allowed to do until 21 (or 25 in the case of renting some types of property).

At 18, you can vote because you can be drafted and killed in a war (or not a war) so they decided they needed to let you vote. But you can still be drafted (or enlist) for a war that you weren't old enough to vote for on the last election day.

He was a kid. And unless that warrant was for something really serious, he was murdered for no good reason.

 

[Derec]

I saw a 10 second tweet with zero context provided. So yeah, I'm pretty reluctant to call that "protester misconduct"

Read the article. What happened was that there was a #BLM protest for this Daunte Wright fellow which turned violent, as usual, with rioting and looting. No arsons yet, but the night is still young.

 

[Toni]

I saw a 10 second tweet with zero context provided. So yeah, I'm pretty reluctant to call that "protester misconduct"

Read the article. What happened was that there was a #BLM protest for this Daunte Wright fellow which turned violent, as usual, with rioting and looting. No arsons yet, but the night is still young.

Police shoot another unarmed black kid and people get upset. Huh.

Maybe if people don't like riots, police should quit killing people over air freshners.

 

[Derec]

Just like George Floyd, right?

Almost all the particulars about these two cases are very different.

Stop posting death porn. It's disgusting.

Nobody in the video I posted died.
I did not post the video where the officer was murdered - I merely linked to the article.
And I posted these things to illustrate how dangerous routine traffic stops can be. And why an officer might legitimately fear for his life when a suspect suddenly goes into the car.
Note, we do not enough to say whether the shooting is justified or not. What remains true is that under no circumstances is rioting and looting justified, and Hennepin County DA needs to prosecute all rioters and looters that can be identified. He almost certainly will not do that because of politics.

And YEAH I said KID-

Age of majority in the US is 18. That there is age discrimination against young adults in some areas due to Helen Lovejoyesque activism does not change that.

He was a kid.

No, he wasn't. He became an adult on 10/27/2018.

And unless that warrant was for something really serious, he was murdered for no good reason.

It is WAY too early to say whether the shooting was justified or not and if not, what level of culpability the police officer might have.

What we do know is that under no circumstances is it justified to destroy government property (e.g. police SUVs) or loot stores.

I noticed you wrote, and then edited, that you would advocate burning the whole city down. I guess you showed, for a brief moment, the true colors of you fauxgressives.