"Protester" Misconduct Catch All Thread

[Trausti]

Then quit justifying the destruction of other people's property.

I did not in any way "justify" the destruction of other people's property, and you know it.
These murders cannot be justified by asking stupid questions about the culpability of a Corporation.

Are you not following this discussion?

 

[Derec]

Without the stop, it would not have happened.

Without Mother Daunte buying him a car, it would not have happened either. Without Karl Benz inventing the horseless carriage, it would not have happened either.
There is a (nigh) infinite number of "but for" reasons something might have happened. Doesn't mean that it's a relevant reason.
Daunte's decision to resist arrest prompted the shooting. Not the act of the car being pulled over.

While your rush to exonerate the police and smear/blame the victim is predictable, denying basic reasoning simply leads people to question your motives.

You are the one failing basic reasoning.
And I am not trying to exonerate police. We do not know whether the shooting was justified. Apparently, there is body camera footage, so we will find out eventually.
What we already know, however, is that the shooting was not because he had an "air freshner[sic]" and Toni needs to stop repeating that.

That fact has not been established, but hey, you are not bound by the standards you wish to impose on others.

Actually those facts were among the very first that were established, even before the identity of the shootee.

 

[Derec]

So it turns out Daunte had a warrant for gun without a permit. So it is logical that the police officer thought that Daunte would go for his gun when he went back to the car.

I thought you progressives were for stricter gun law enforcement?

He also was on conditional release for an aggravated robbery charge from this February.

 

[Derec]

You don't like your white supremacist proclivities being called out?

I have no such proclivities. You have been wallowing in that pile of bullshit for way too long Toni. Time to climb out and get hosed off.

Did the police know if he was unarmed or armed?

I would say given that they knew he had a warrant and that the warrant was for an illegal gun, the cop would have been stupid to not assume him armed.

Did it matter?
Because guess what? It doesn't. He's dead.

Body cam footage, once released, will tell us more. Without it, we can only speculate.

What we can say right now is that rioting and looting is definitely unjustified.

 

[Toni]

Without Mother Daunte buying him a car, it would not have happened either. Without Karl Benz inventing the horseless carriage, it would not have happened either.
There is a (nigh) infinite number of "but for" reasons something might have happened. Doesn't mean that it's a relevant reason.
Daunte's decision to resist arrest prompted the shooting. Not the act of the car being pulled over.


You are the one failing basic reasoning.
And I am not trying to exonerate police. We do not know whether the shooting was justified. Apparently, there is body camera footage, so we will find out eventually.
What we already know, however, is that the shooting was not because he had an "air freshner[sic]" and Toni needs to stop repeating that.

That fact has not been established, but hey, you are not bound by the standards you wish to impose on others.

Actually those facts were among the very first that were established, even before the identity of the shootee.
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The air freshener was the traffic violation.

 

[Derec]

The air freshener was the traffic violation.

Allegedly. And I am glad you finally learned how to spell it.

 

[Derec]

Damn! Apparently it was an "accidental discharge" and the cop meant to pull a taser. Oscar Grant vibes.

Potato quality, but best I can find so far.
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/TheLIBPrincess/status/1381657470909571077[/TWEET]
The idiot should have allowed himself to be arrested. Then he'd still be alive. You increase the chances of things going south by pulling stupid shit like this.

Still doesn't justify the #BLM violence and mass looting of course.

Gotta go work now. Will check back later.

 

[Elixir]

What we can say right now is that rioting and looting is definitely unjustified.

...unless you're part of a nearly all-white cop-killing mob ransacking the nation's Capitol at the behest of a racist President.
In that case you can go home and bask in the love. No matter how much footage is available.

 

[Toni]

I have no such proclivities. You have been wallowing in that pile of bullshit for way too long Toni. Time to climb out and get hosed off.


I would say given that they knew he had a warrant and that the warrant was for an illegal gun, the cop would have been stupid to not assume him armed.

Did it matter?
Because guess what? It doesn't. He's dead.

Body cam footage, once released, will tell us more. Without it, we can only speculate.

What we can say right now is that rioting and looting is definitely unjustified.

There was a warrant for a misdemeanor gun charge. The MAX sentence would have been a year in jail and a $3000 fine.
You think that made his shooting 'justifiable.' Or at least, explainable.

To the people who are rioting and looting, police killing yet another unarmed man, during the trial of a police officer accused of murdering an unarmed man, no less, may or may not be justifiable. It sure is easy to explain WHY they feel so angry and so powerless to affect any change through quiet protest--which, BTW, you vehemently oppose.

Your shit stinks to high heavens, Derek. Maybe start consuming a diet of something other than racist white supremacist bullshit on the internet.

 

[lpetrich]

You despise Black Lives Matter.

I do despise the organization by that name, yes. It's a Marxist group that is anti-police, pro-thug and advocates violence and looting.

Evidence: {}

Derec, there are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in Fox News.

 

[laughing dog]

Without Mother Daunte buying him a car, it would not have happened either. Without Karl Benz inventing the horseless carriage, it would not have happened either.
There is a (nigh) infinite number of "but for" reasons something might have happened. Doesn't mean that it's a relevant reason.
Daunte's decision to resist arrest prompted the shooting. Not the act of the car being pulled over.

Again, without the stop, no matter how much sophistry and dumbness you wish to put forth, it would not have happened.

And now, there are reports that this shooting was an accident - https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/daunte-wright-killed-police-brooklyn-center-minnesota-protests/

A police officer fatally shot a man, identified as Daunte Wright, after he was pulled over in a Minneapolis suburb Sunday, leading to clashes between protesters and law enforcement. On Monday, the police chief for the city of Brooklyn Center said the unidentified officer intended to use her Taser but instead grabbed her gun and shot Wright.

Sunday's shooting happened in the midst of the Derek Chauvin trial for the killing of George Floyd.

Police said officers pulled over a driver just before 2 p.m. Sunday and determined there was an outstanding warrant for him. Police said when they tried to arrest him, he got back in his vehicle and drove away. An officer fired at the vehicle, hitting the driver. Police said the vehicle traveled several blocks before hitting another one. No one in that second vehicle was hurt.

Which should put to rest your "maybe going for his gun" crapola.

 

[TomC]

Marxism is not worse than Nazism.

Right, they are equivalent.

Equivalent is a strong word, they're quite different. Part of what made the Nazis so popular was their anti Marxism stance. They were even popular here in the USA. Hitler had a magnificently framed portrait of Henry Ford in his office, because Ford hated both Jews and Communists. Ford was quite the Nazi, back in the early 30s.

But while ideological systems, taken to extremes, generally turn out badly Classical Liberalism and Capitalism are not different. The author of those immortal words "All men are created equal" owned slaves and helped crush the New World's second republic in Haiti. And unrestricted Capitalism has nearly destroyed the USA. It led to the The Great Depression and the Republican Recession of 2007-9.

Really the list of disasters brought on by such ideologies, devoid of regard for human welfare, is huge!
Socialism is the opposite. Government and social policies that prioritize human welfare is socialism. The people who benefit from prioritizing ideology, from Stalin to Ford to Hitler to Trump are the people who demonize socialism.

Socialism is the lack of an ideology the preempts human welfare. Societies differ, so how socialism is expressed in different societies differs.


Here's one example of socialism in the USA, the transportation system called "the freeway". Of course it wasn't free, it cost tons of taxpayer dollars. It didn't matter if you didn't own a car, and bought your needs from local people, you still had to pay in to the Freeway System because the government forced you to, almost literally at gun point. If you didn't pay the taxes funding the Freeway the government would eventually show up to force you to pay, with guns if necessary.



Seriously, what Made America Great in the first place was war and socialism. Not Christianity and Capitalism. It's right there in the history books, if you look.
Tom

 

[Elixir]

"So I reached for the taser, drew the taser, pointed the taser and pulled the trigger on the taser, only it turned out not to be the taser, but the gun"

Thank God she didn't decide to become an auto mechanic or a plumber or something like that, where such a mistake could have caused
Right, Derec?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Kid got pulled over for an air freshner hanging from the rear view mirror.

Police apparently notice there is some kind of warrant out for the kid. What type is not reported at this time.

Kid gets back into his vehicle and police shoot him. Kid drives away before crashing. Passenger in vehicle also injured. Kid is dead.

Unless that warrant is for something really awful, can someone please tell me how it is worth the life of this 20 year old kid?

Kid not detected.

Someone confronted by the cops and reaching for a space out of the officer's view--very dangerous. Maybe he's just fleeing, maybe he's going for a gun. If you don't act and he's going for a gun you had better hope he's a lousy shot as he's going to go first. (The time from when you first see the gun until he's got it aimed and pulling the trigger is less than human reaction time.)

 

[Toni]

Kid got pulled over for an air freshner hanging from the rear view mirror.

Police apparently notice there is some kind of warrant out for the kid. What type is not reported at this time.

Kid gets back into his vehicle and police shoot him. Kid drives away before crashing. Passenger in vehicle also injured. Kid is dead.

Unless that warrant is for something really awful, can someone please tell me how it is worth the life of this 20 year old kid?

Kid not detected.

Someone confronted by the cops and reaching for a space out of the officer's view--very dangerous. Maybe he's just fleeing, maybe he's going for a gun. If you don't act and he's going for a gun you had better hope he's a lousy shot as he's going to go first. (The time from when you first see the gun until he's got it aimed and pulling the trigger is less than human reaction time.)

Why not just assassinate all newborn black male children because who knows when they'll be 'going for their gun' and endanger the life of some innocent white cop?

Apparently simpler than convincing cops that kneeling on the necks of suspects is dangerous and can cause death of the suspect which is supposedly a bad thing (and worse, have a negative impact on your career if you are caught on video as is so common these days).

Or teaching cops the difference between a taser and a gun, which is apparently very confusing when confronting a black male during a traffic stop as compared to the ease by which a white guy on a deadly rampage across three different crime scenes can be gently apprehended.

Why not just admit it: black lives do not matter to too many white people? Not as much as white people being scared by black people because black people dare to exist in the same space, the same time/space continuum as white people and have the nerve to not be still slaves and sharecroppers, usually. We toss black lives away like loose change in a collection cup--Praise the Lord and let's sing Amazing Grace now, one more time for the cheap seats.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I saw a 10 second tweet with zero context provided. So yeah, I'm pretty reluctant to call that "protester misconduct"

Read the article. What happened was that there was a #BLM protest for this Daunte Wright fellow which turned violent, as usual, with rioting and looting. No arsons yet, but the night is still young.

Police shoot another unarmed black kid and people get upset. Huh.

Maybe if people don't like riots, police should quit killing people over air freshners.

And I presume you blame a battery for the destruction of Hiroshima.

(You always fixate on the smallest link in the chain as if it's the important one. In this case we have air freshener => warrant check => attempted arrest => attempted flight => shooting.)

And note there's a reason cops tend to go after such trivial things--people who disregard the law in ways like this (the air freshener obstructing the driver's view) often disregard it in bigger ways also. An awful lot of big arrests start with a minor traffic stop.

 

[Toni]

Police shoot another unarmed black kid and people get upset. Huh.

Maybe if people don't like riots, police should quit killing people over air freshners.

And I presume you blame a battery for the destruction of Hiroshima.

(You always fixate on the smallest link in the chain as if it's the important one. In this case we have air freshener => warrant check => attempted arrest => attempted flight => shooting.)

And note there's a reason cops tend to go after such trivial things--people who disregard the law in ways like this (the air freshener obstructing the driver's view) often disregard it in bigger ways also. An awful lot of big arrests start with a minor traffic stop.

An awful lot of deaths of unarmed black men start with things like minor traffic stops or loose cigarettes or jogging in a white neighborhood or sleeping in your own bed.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Reasons why police are jumpy when suspects do things like going back into the car during a traffic stop.

Iowa State Patrol officer killed in Grundy County incident, including officer-involved shooting

NEW DETAILS: 3 officers injured, suspect dead after chase, shooting in Carroll County

Both of these happened within the last 2 days.

So? Caution does not necessitate shoot to kill. Really, using your reasoning, black men should be equally as jumpy when stopped or approached by the police. Yet, somehow, I doubt you'd give that as an out if they offed an officer.

The police are quite rightly jumpy when someone already committing a crime does an action that looks like they're trying to shoot the police. All too often they really are trying to shoot the police.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There was a warrant for a misdemeanor gun charge. The MAX sentence would have been a year in jail and a $3000 fine.
You think that made his shooting 'justifiable.' Or at least, explainable.

Illegal gun charge = someone likely to be armed.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Kid got pulled over for an air freshner hanging from the rear view mirror.

Police apparently notice there is some kind of warrant out for the kid. What type is not reported at this time.

Kid gets back into his vehicle and police shoot him. Kid drives away before crashing. Passenger in vehicle also injured. Kid is dead.

Unless that warrant is for something really awful, can someone please tell me how it is worth the life of this 20 year old kid?

Kid not detected.

Someone confronted by the cops and reaching for a space out of the officer's view--very dangerous. Maybe he's just fleeing, maybe he's going for a gun. If you don't act and he's going for a gun you had better hope he's a lousy shot as he's going to go first. (The time from when you first see the gun until he's got it aimed and pulling the trigger is less than human reaction time.)

Why not just assassinate all newborn black male children because who knows when they'll be 'going for their gun' and endanger the life of some innocent white cop?

Apparently simpler than convincing cops that kneeling on the necks of suspects is dangerous and can cause death of the suspect which is supposedly a bad thing (and worse, have a negative impact on your career if you are caught on video as is so common these days).

Or teaching cops the difference between a taser and a gun, which is apparently very confusing when confronting a black male during a traffic stop as compared to the ease by which a white guy on a deadly rampage across three different crime scenes can be gently apprehended.

Why not just admit it: black lives do not matter to too many white people? Not as much as white people being scared by black people because black people dare to exist in the same space, the same time/space continuum as white people and have the nerve to not be still slaves and sharecroppers, usually. We toss black lives away like loose change in a collection cup--Praise the Lord and let's sing Amazing Grace now, one more time for the cheap seats.

Somehow I don't exactly consider it outlandish that someone with a warrant over an illegal gun charge might go for their gun.