Eastern Oregon and Washington States Seceding?

[lpetrich]

I have found two recent proposals.

Eastern Washington State -> separate state: Liberty

Liberty State | Liberty, Founded in Truth

Proponents of Eastern Washington seceding hold first press conference

At the press conference, proponents argued that the 51st state would benefit both the rural conservatives to the east and urban liberals to the west, and that people would have gun and property rights unaffected by Western liberal restrictions.

Eastern Oregon -> join Idaho to make Greater Idaho
Also Southwestern Oregon and the northeastern corner of California
Greater Idaho Home Page

Oregon Republicans petition counties to join Idaho - The Washington Post
Group petitions to join this state, blaming Oregon's liberal Democrats | Fox News

A group of frustrated Oregon conservatives, who have tried everything from voting out Democratic state officials they consider too liberal to recalling the state’s governor and appealing to their Washington representatives, now want to leave the state – by moving the border with neighboring Idaho westward, a published report Monday said.

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“Rural counties have become increasingly outraged by laws coming out of the Oregon Legislature that threaten our livelihoods, our industries, our wallet, our gun rights, and our values. We tried voting those legislators out but rural Oregon is outnumbered and our voices are now ignored. This is our last resort.”

Oregon would shrink to the Willamette Valley and some nearby land: Portland - Eugene

A similar proposal in the past:

Southwestern Oregon and Northern California to secede and make a state: Jefferson

 

[lpetrich]

When I came across this Greater-Idaho proposal for eastern Oregon, I thought of the Liberty-State proposal for eastern Washington, and I noticed that that article made no mention of the Liberty-State proposal. It's the same sort of thing, and one might expect the advocates of the two secessions to join forces.

 

[Derec]

Not Rainier and Shasta?

 

[zorq]

Conservatives know that they are allowed to move, right? I know that people tend to be inordinately fond of particular tracts of land, but there is other nice land out there.

Clearly many of these conservatives in eastern Washington and Oregon see SOME affinity with the conservatives in Idaho. Why don't they act to instantly fix their own grievances by moving a couple hundred miles over?

Also, do these conservatives understand the social contract?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Conservatives know that they are allowed to move, right?

The people who have been saying, 'America, love it or leave it!' for my entire lifetime? Yeah, they're familiar with the concept.
They also say 'She lost, get over it!'

See how well it all applies to them when they lose, and don't love it. They should have to scrape off those bumper stickers.

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

I suppose seceding from your state is less implausible than seceding from the nation. Part of me thinks legislators should let them do it just as a social experiment. However, part of me also thinks this is a just a ploy of the all-powerful national flag manufacturing lobby to drive sales.

 

[Worldtraveller]

I suppose seceding from your state is less implausible than seceding from the nation. Part of me thinks legislators should let them do it just as a social experiment. However, part of me also thinks this is a just a ploy of the all-powerful national flag manufacturing lobby to drive sales.

The reason they shouldn't be allowed to is because it would add another 2 electoral votes that would be consistently GOP, when there's not a reason to. At least some can make non-political arguments for statehood of DC, and/or Puerto Rico, but these yahoos just want more political clout because they don't like it (even though they all benefit greatly from the politics in their area).

 

[skepticalbip]

I suppose seceding from your state is less implausible than seceding from the nation. Part of me thinks legislators should let them do it just as a social experiment. However, part of me also thinks this is a just a ploy of the all-powerful national flag manufacturing lobby to drive sales.

The reason they shouldn't be allowed to is because it would add another 2 electoral votes that would be consistently GOP, when there's not a reason to. At least some can make non-political arguments for statehood of DC, and/or Puerto Rico, but these yahoos just want more political clout because they don't like it (even though they all benefit greatly from the politics in their area).

The problem with DC being a state is that the district was created specifically so that the capital would not be in a state. For that purpose Virginia and Maryland gave up some of their territory - that donated by Virginia was given back and only the Maryland section used to create DC. If the capital is to be in a state then it should be part of Maryland.

Puerto Rico has a vote every so often with the choices of independence, remaining a territory, or becoming a state. So far they have always voted to remain a territory.

 

[Elixir]

Pfffft.

California should divide itself into five states, with lines drawn to make sure all five have liberal majorities. That'll fix the Senate problem...

 

[lpetrich]

Idaho lawmakers hear pitch to absorb three-fourths of Oregon - oregonlive.com
In it, southwestern, central, and eastern Oregon would join Idaho, along with northeastern California and southeastern Washington State.

Supporters of the idea said rural Oregon voters are dominated by liberal urban areas such as Portland, and would rather join conservative Idaho. Portland would remain with Oregon.

“There’s a longtime cultural divide as big as the Grand Canyon between northwest Oregon and rural Oregon, and it’s getting larger,” Mike McCarter, president of Move Oregon’s Border for a Greater Idaho, told Idaho lawmakers.

If everything falls in line with Oregon, supporters envision also adding adjacent portions of southeastern Washington and northern California to Idaho. Backers said residents in those areas also yearn for less government oversight and long to become part of a red state insulated from the liberal influence of large urban centers that tend to vote Democratic.

“Values of faith, family, independence. That’s what we’re about,” said Mark Simmons, an eastern Oregon rancher and former speaker of the Oregon House of Representatives. “We don’t need the state breathing down our necks all the time, micromanaging our lives and trying to push us into a foreign way of living.”

 

[bleubird]

https://www.google.com/search?q=pop...biw=1280&bih=580&dpr=1.5#imgrc=08RIZ97GjPHIlM

If you have ever been to Eastern Oregon most is a whole lot of nothing.

 

[lpetrich]

Move Oregon's Border for a Greater IDAHO - Move Oregon's Border for a greater Idaho - the home page of the effort

Opinion: A Greater Idaho would be a Lesser Oregon | KATU

Greater Idaho movement: Merging Idaho with parts of Oregon, California


One can combine these secession proposals to give E Washington + E Oregon + SW Oregon + N California + Idaho.

 

[bilby]

Yeah, when you have a state with significant ideological differences that are mostly geographically defined, partitions along ideological lines are always a good idea. That's why the partition of India to form Pakistan and Bangladesh; The partition of Ireland to add Northern Ireland to the UK; The separation of the West Bank and Gaza from Israel; And the division of Yugoslavia into Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Slovenia and Macedonia, have all been such unqualified successes leading to more peaceful and harmonious relationships between the communities on either side of the new borders.

Perhaps if Americans find these examples too foreign to comprehend, we could add the Union and Confederacy to that list.

 

[Derec]

Hey, if DC can be a state (rather than being reabsorbed into Maryland like the other part of original DC was reabsorbed into Virginia), why not East Oregon and East Washington?

 

[bleubird]

I need to backtrack a bit. I grew up in the valley,so I am biased.I went to school in K falls,and there is a lot of interesting things about that country. I just don't care for the climate, and the red necks.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Move Oregon's Border for a Greater IDAHO - Move Oregon's Border for a greater Idaho - the home page of the effort

Opinion: A Greater Idaho would be a Lesser Oregon | KATU

Greater Idaho movement: Merging Idaho with parts of Oregon, California


One can combine these secession proposals to give E Washington + E Oregon + SW Oregon + N California + Idaho.

Long about the time this happens, Californians relocating from its major cities will have turned Idaho purple. Then y’all be regretting that “No backsies” clause.
And remember the last time folks wanted less government in their lives: An entire state nearly froze to death.
So be careful what you wish for.

 

[lpetrich]

One can combine these secession proposals to give E Washington + E Oregon + SW Oregon + N California + Idaho.

Long about the time this happens, Californians relocating from its major cities will have turned Idaho purple. Then y’all be regretting that “No backsies” clause.

Urban Dictionary: no backsies

Originating in the game of tag, no backsies is a maneuver in which a player that is "it" cannot be tagged back immediately following the tagging of another player.

No backsies can further be extended into the real world, where people use "no backsies" as a means to avoid doing a task.

Not sure what's the connection.

Californians have been exiting from their state to neighboring states: Why 650,000 people left California in 2019 | abc10.com Some 480,000 arrived that year, giving a net loss of 170,000.

There are plenty of people who depart from other states. TX 453,000, NY 439,000, FL 457,000, though the article had no numbers on people moving in.

Where these Californians go: TX 82,000, AZ 59,000, NV 47,000, WA 46,000, OR 38,000.

And remember the last time folks wanted less government in their lives: An entire state nearly froze to death.
So be careful what you wish for.

Yes, Texas.

 

[lpetrich]

653,551 folks left California in 2019. Where did they go?

More outs than ins add up to what demographers call a “net domestic migration loss” of 173,347 for California. That gap did fall 8.8% during the year. Only New York had more exits than arrivals in 2019.

Top taker: What states contributed the most to that outsized migration chasm? Texas was No. 1 with 45,172 more Californians arriving than departures; then Arizona at 31,487; Nevada at 20,889; Oregon at 20,662; and Washington at 14,909.

Top giver: On the flip side, California fared best against New York with 13,235 more arrivals than exits. Next was Illinois, a “net” take of 9,393 residents; Virginia at 7,512; Massachusetts at 4,728; and Minnesota at 2,719.

PS: Despite the net loss of residents to other states, California’s population is boosted by newcomers from other nations — 261,818 last year, the largest foreign inflow among the states.

Even considering the state’s large population, California’s foreign newcomers — legal or not — equaled 0.7% of the population, the 12th highest share nationally. Still, this immigration was down 7.7% from 2018.

That article has a map that shows how many Californians each state received and how many people California received from each state. I'll use net numbers -- the differences.

1 NY 13,235 -- 2 IL 9,393 -- 3 VA 7,512 -- 4 MA 4,728 -- 5 MN 2,719 -- 6 AK 2,517 -- 7 MD 1,683 -- 8 NJ 1,657 -- 9 DE 1,469 -- 10 LA 1,119 -- 11 HI 1,031 -- 12 RI 985 -- 13 ME 691 -- 14 NE 552 -- 15 ND 306 -- 16 CT 18 -- 17 VT -264 -- 18 MO -332 -- 19 DC ? -- 20 AL -380 -- 21 NH -401 -- 22 SD -433 -- 23 PA -470 -- 24 WV -637 -- 25 MS -670 -- 26 KY -804 -- 27 GA -941 -- 28 AR -1,863 -- 29 SC -1,982 -- 30 KS -2,018 -- 31 WY -2,052 -- 32 WI -2,075 -- 33 MI -2,266 -- 34 IN -2,332 -- 35 NM -2,497 -- 36 OH -3,179 -- 37 MT -3,324 -- 38 OK -3,661 -- 39 IA -3,863 -- 40 NC -4,160 -- 41 FL -5,936 -- 42 TN -6,011 -- 43 UT -9,317 -- 44 ID -13,350 -- 45 CO -14,265 -- 46 WA -14,909 -- 47 OR -20,662 -- 48 NV -20,889 -- 49 AZ -31,487 -- 50 TX -45,172

Some people are moving into CA - but their moving is mainly from the big-city states of the Northeast and Upper Midwest. It's mainly CA's neighbors and near-neighbors who receive Californians, with the exception of FL and TN.

 

[untermensche]

I was born in Washington DC.

I have no loyalty to the State of Maryland.

That is a foreign country.

 

[KeepTalking]

Hey, if DC can be a state (rather than being reabsorbed into Maryland like the other part of original DC was reabsorbed into Virginia), why not East Oregon and East Washington?

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OK, you can have East Oregon and East Washington, we will take DC and Puerto Rico, but you also have to combine the Dakotas into one state.