Was Shia LeBeouf raped?

[Metaphor]

I didn't find a thread on this yet, so apologies if there is

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/nov/28/shia-labeouf-raped-performance-art-project-dazed

The actor Shia LaBeouf has claimed a woman raped him during the performance of his one-man art piece #IAMSORRY earlier this year.

Speaking to Dazed magazine in an email interview, he wrote: “One woman who came with her boyfriend, who was outside the door when this happened, whipped my legs for 10 minutes and then stripped my clothing and proceeded to rape me.”

#IAMSORRY consisted of LaBeouf sitting silently with a paper bag on his head, bearing the legend “I am not famous anymore” – members of the public queued to be able to sit in front of him in the one-on-one piece. It ran for five days in February at a Los Angeles gallery.

His collaborators appear to verify some details of the story.

Is it fair to treat this account with skepticism? Why or why not?

If everything LaBeouf claims happened, happened, then it does seem to me that he was raped, because silence is not consent. But what if the woman in question thought she had consent via the 'rules' of the art installation? Is her culpability diminished because of this?

 

[Arctish]

He didn't consent. It doesn't matter that he didn't say no. Lack of consent makes it rape.

 

[Canard DuJour]

The actor Shia LaBeouf has claimed a woman raped him during the performance of his one-man art piece #IAMSORRY earlier this year.

And there was me hoping he'd got prison

(..sorry)

 

[Rhea]

From what is written there, yes, that is rape.
And he is really really weird.

 

[ksen]

The upshot is that he's famous again!

:yay:

 

[PyramidHead]

How odd. I wonder why he didn't do anything to stop her?

 

[laughing dog]

I think he was raped but I find it difficult to actually care in this specific instance.

 

[RavenSky]

Is it fair to treat this account with skepticism? Why or why not?

If everything LaBeouf claims happened, happened, then it does seem to me that he was raped, because silence is not consent. But what if the woman in question thought she had consent via the 'rules' of the art installation? Is her culpability diminished because of this?

He didn't consent. That makes it rape.

 

[Alcoholic Actuary]

He had a bag on his head. He was practically asking for it. Maybe he'll think twice about what he wears when he goes out in public next time.

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[ksen]

Is it fair to treat this account with skepticism? Why or why not?

If everything LaBeouf claims happened, happened, then it does seem to me that he was raped, because silence is not consent. But what if the woman in question thought she had consent via the 'rules' of the art installation? Is her culpability diminished because of this?

He didn't consent. That makes it rape.

If he came he consented.

 

[whichphilosophy]

I didn't find a thread on this yet, so apologies if there is

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/nov/28/shia-labeouf-raped-performance-art-project-dazed

The actor Shia LaBeouf has claimed a woman raped him during the performance of his one-man art piece #IAMSORRY earlier this year.

Speaking to Dazed magazine in an email interview, he wrote: “One woman who came with her boyfriend, who was outside the door when this happened, whipped my legs for 10 minutes and then stripped my clothing and proceeded to rape me.”

#IAMSORRY consisted of LaBeouf sitting silently with a paper bag on his head, bearing the legend “I am not famous anymore” – members of the public queued to be able to sit in front of him in the one-on-one piece. It ran for five days in February at a Los Angeles gallery.

His collaborators appear to verify some details of the story.

Is it fair to treat this account with skepticism? Why or why not?

If everything LaBeouf claims happened, happened, then it does seem to me that he was raped, because silence is not consent. But what if the woman in question thought she had consent via the 'rules' of the art installation? Is her culpability diminished because of this?

It's hard to say what is is, when seeing just one side of the recollection of events.

 

[Toni]

He didn't consent. That makes it rape.

If he came he consented.

Actually, this is a fallacy just as it is a fallacy to say that a woman who was really raped cannot become pregnant or her body would shut it down. The human body may respond and move through the stages of arousal despite the contact being against the person's will.

 

[credoconsolans]

Yes, he was raped, but seeing how he was not restrained by the woman, threatened or otherwise intimidated by the woman, it makes me wonder why he didn't just leave.

 

[RavenSky]

If he came he consented.

Actually, this is a fallacy just as it is a fallacy to say that a woman who was really raped cannot become pregnant or her body would shut it down. The human body may respond and move through the stages of arousal despite the contact being against the person's will.

(I am certain he knows that. He just forgot the /sarcasm tag )

 

[ksen]

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How odd. I wonder why he didn't do anything to stop her?

Yeah, I have a hard time accepting the events as stated.

 

[Arctish]

How odd. I wonder why he didn't do anything to stop her?

Yeah, I have a hard time accepting the events as stated.

The whole point of the exhibit was for him to be utterly passive and unresponsive in front of people who, for whatever reason, wanted to see him that way. He presented them with the opportunity to do whatever they wanted to a faceless "other", and they did. Apparently, what one woman wanted to do was rape him.

 

[credoconsolans]

Yeah, I have a hard time accepting the events as stated.

The whole point of the exhibit was for him to be utterly passive and unresponsive in front of people who, for whatever reason, wanted to see him that way. He presented them with the opportunity to do whatever they wanted to a faceless "other", and they did. Apparently, what one woman wanted to do was rape him.

At some point, you have to stop the performance art nonsense when someone is perpetuating a crime on yourself. Only a moron would let things proceed into the illegal side of things.

Artists are known to 'suffer' for their work, but that usually doesn't mean allowing yourself to be victimized by criminals.

 

[Arctish]

The whole point of the exhibit was for him to be utterly passive and unresponsive in front of people who, for whatever reason, wanted to see him that way. He presented them with the opportunity to do whatever they wanted to a faceless "other", and they did. Apparently, what one woman wanted to do was rape him.

At some point, you have to stop the performance art nonsense when someone is perpetuating a crime on yourself. Only a moron would let things proceed into the illegal side of things.

Artists are known to 'suffer' for their work, but that usually doesn't mean allowing yourself to be victimized by criminals.

But if your goal is to reveal something true about human nature, the point at which you put a stop to things is probably a lot farther along than where you normally peg it.

I'm sure he would have ended the performance art if he felt his life was in danger.

 

[ApostateAbe]

Whatever the legal definition of rape, I really don't think this guy is suffering any severe emotional trauma over this.