Woke is white arrogance

[TomC]

I staunchly supported Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.

I would also oppose a professional ball player wearing a "Vote Hillary" t-shirt on the field.
Tom

 

[untermensche]

Pro sports is entertainment, like opera or a rap concert.

No form of entertainment is liked by everybody.

But the issue is a man quietly kneeling and fascists that have a problem with it.

Many that are racists.

 

[untermensche]

I staunchly supported Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.

I would also oppose a professional ball player wearing a "Vote Hillary" t-shirt on the field.
Tom

Quietly kneeling is not the same thing.

The players have to wear a specific uniform. That is the rules of the game not something dictated by owners.

You know what UNI FORM means right?

 

[Trausti]

Pro sports is entertainment, like opera or a rap concert.

No form of entertainment is liked by everybody.

But the issue is a man quietly kneeling and fascists that have a problem with it.

Many that are racists.

An athlete is an actor on a stage. Follow the script or we'll get someone else.

 

[untermensche]

Pro sports is entertainment, like opera or a rap concert.

No form of entertainment is liked by everybody.

But the issue is a man quietly kneeling and fascists that have a problem with it.

Many that are racists.

An athlete is an actor on a stage. Follow the script or we'll get someone else.

If Kaepernick did not follow the plays sent in by the coach he could be fired.

The national anthem is not part of his job.

If a person has a problem with Kaepernick silently kneeling they have control issues.

 

[Trausti]

Pro sports is entertainment, like opera or a rap concert.

No form of entertainment is liked by everybody.

But the issue is a man quietly kneeling and fascists that have a problem with it.

Many that are racists.

An athlete is an actor on a stage. Follow the script or we'll get someone else.

If Kaepernick did not follow the plays sent in by the coach he could be fired.

The national anthem is not part of his job.

If a person has a problem with Kaepernick silently kneeling they have control issues.

Was he wearing the uniform? On the field?

 

[untermensche]

If Kaepernick did not follow the plays sent in by the coach he could be fired.

The national anthem is not part of his job.

If a person has a problem with Kaepernick silently kneeling they have control issues.

Was he wearing the uniform? On the field?

I hope so.

His job is to be a QB between the whistles.

Can people in uniform kneel on the sidelines when not playing?

 

[laughing dog]

Pro sports is entertainment, like opera or a rap concert.

No form of entertainment is liked by everybody.

But the issue is a man quietly kneeling and fascists that have a problem with it.

Many that are racists.

An athlete is an actor on a stage. Follow the script or we'll get someone else.

If my memory is correct, Mr. Kaepernick's protest caused a larger furor than Tommy Smith and John Carlos's did in 1968.

It seems we haven't come as far in race relations as many people believe.

 

[untermensche]

Pro sports is entertainment, like opera or a rap concert.

No form of entertainment is liked by everybody.

But the issue is a man quietly kneeling and fascists that have a problem with it.

Many that are racists.

An athlete is an actor on a stage. Follow the script or we'll get someone else.

If my memory is correct, Mr. Kaepernick's protest caused a larger furor than Tommy Smith and John Carlos's did in 1968.

It seems we haven't come as far in race relations as many people believe.

Underneath all this criticism of Kaepernick is racism and the mentality of white control over uppity black people and not much more.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Pro sports is entertainment, like opera or a rap concert.

No form of entertainment is liked by everybody.

But the issue is a man quietly kneeling and fascists that have a problem with it.

Many that are racists.

An athlete is an actor on a stage. Follow the script or we'll get someone else.

If my memory is correct, Mr. Kaepernick's protest caused a larger furor than Tommy Smith and John Carlos's did in 1968.

It seems we haven't come as far in race relations as many people believe.

Surely the larger the protest the more the belief is mainstream? If Kaepernick's protest led to more protest doesn't it mean that race relations have improved? The intensity of the protest means that the sense of threat is greater. I'm pretty sure that in 1968 racists and white supremacists didn't feel particularly threatened. They had less reasons to show their anger. Fury is more a result of somebody feeling pushed into a corner rather than them feeling secure in their power. Not to mention Kaepernick had a greater fan club than Smith and Carlos did. The beatniks and hippies were a tiny tiny part of society. The wokes are the dominant power player in current politics.

No?

 

[Jarhyn]

Pro sports is entertainment, like opera or a rap concert.

No form of entertainment is liked by everybody.

But the issue is a man quietly kneeling and fascists that have a problem with it.

Many that are racists.

An athlete is an actor on a stage. Follow the script or we'll get someone else.

If my memory is correct, Mr. Kaepernick's protest caused a larger furor than Tommy Smith and John Carlos's did in 1968.

It seems we haven't come as far in race relations as many people believe.

You're banging your head on a flat durable surface, metaphorically speaking.

The individual you replied to just today dropped a deuce in another thread decrying progressives' lack of desire to discriminate racially "because genetics".

The script he wants them to follow is one pointedly written by old racists.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

An athlete is an actor on a stage. Follow the script or we'll get someone else.

I know this is hard for conservatives to understand because they think everything is fixed, but athletes are not actors. Athletes are professional sports players who try very hard to win. They have to practice a lot off-season and in-season, work out, etc. They can add some spice to what they do, like hanging after a slam dunk in basketball or like dancing after a touchdown, normal play is very rigid and often boring. Their contracts do not include acting. You must be thinking of professional wrestling. Spoiler Alert:

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Professional wrestlers are in fact actors, but they are the EXCEPTION!

 

[DrZoidberg]

Aha... Woke moralism. The new Conservative moral majority.

https://quillette.com/2021/09/06/the-war-on-porn-cancel-culture-on-steroids/

 

[untermensche]

An athlete is an actor on a stage. Follow the script or we'll get someone else.

I know this is hard for conservatives to understand because they think everything is fixed, but athletes are not actors. Athletes are professional sports players who try very hard to win. They have to practice a lot off-season and in-season, work out, etc. They can add some spice to what they do, like hanging after a slam dunk in basketball or like dancing after a touchdown, normal play is very rigid and often boring. Their contracts do not include acting. You must be thinking of professional wrestling. Spoiler Alert:

Show

Professional wrestlers are in fact actors, but they are the EXCEPTION!

Professional wrestlers also suffer serious injuries live in pain and tend to die young.

Unlike mere actors.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

An athlete is an actor on a stage. Follow the script or we'll get someone else.

I know this is hard for conservatives to understand because they think everything is fixed, but athletes are not actors. Athletes are professional sports players who try very hard to win. They have to practice a lot off-season and in-season, work out, etc. They can add some spice to what they do, like hanging after a slam dunk in basketball or like dancing after a touchdown, normal play is very rigid and often boring. Their contracts do not include acting. You must be thinking of professional wrestling. Spoiler Alert:

Show

Professional wrestlers are in fact actors, but they are the EXCEPTION!

Professional wrestlers also suffer serious injuries live in pain and tend to die young.

Unlike mere actors.

Yes, they do, and the athletes in context of what Trausti posted are not wrestlers. Professional wrestlers are more like actors than say professional football players. It doesn't make sense to call football players actors! It makes more sense to call wrestlers as actors. Football players are not taking steroids and doing dramatic skits as half the job, but wrestlers are. Either "sport" might be called entertaining and therefore, the players entertainers, but football is far more real. There isn't an actor's "script" mentioned in a contract or implied, but instead a simple appropriateness of behavior. Kneeling is respectful and therefore does not violate the contract of football players, at least at the time of the context of the discussion. Labeling the football players as "actors" is a false oversimplification to try to just sweep away these facts.

 

[untermensche]

Professional wrestlers also suffer serious injuries live in pain and tend to die young.

Unlike mere actors.

Yes, they do, and the athletes in context of what Trausti posted are not wrestlers. Professional wrestlers are more like actors than say professional football players. It doesn't make sense to call football players actors! It makes more sense to call wrestlers as actors. Football players are not taking steroids and doing dramatic skits as half the job, but wrestlers are. Either "sport" might be called entertaining and therefore, the players entertainers, but football is far more real. There isn't an actor's "script" mentioned in a contract or implied, but instead a simple appropriateness of behavior. Kneeling is respectful and therefore does not violate the contract of football players, at least at the time of the context of the discussion. Labeling the football players as "actors" is a false oversimplification to try to just sweep away these facts.

They are not actors but sports is entertainment.

All entertainment is not acting.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Your master/slave mentality is noted.

And we clearly see who you consider the slaves.

Black players.

How many crazy anti-vaxx white players are being blackballed for their dangerous ideas?

Kaepernick quietly knelt.

If a person has a problem with that they also have other serious problems.

This has nothing to do with slavery, just normal expectations for employment.

You want the employer to be able to force people to not kneel quietly during the national anthem.

You want employees treated as slaves.

Again, if a person has a problem with Kaepernick quietly kneeling they have a serious problem.

When you're on the clock you do what the boss tells you to do unless it's dangerous or illegal.

 

[TomC]

When you're on the clock you do what the boss tells you to do unless it's dangerous or illegal.

Really, I don't see what's difficult about this.

If you want a football team to pay you $5M a year you gotta do what the management says, while in uniform, in front of fans.
That's it. You can do anything you want the rest of the time. You could hold a rally for BLM with a spectacular finish, shooting bottle rockets at an American flag until it catches fire! No problem.

It's just feeling entitled to do whatever you want at work that's the problem.
Apparently, Mr. Kaepernik feels so entitled by his combination of 1% privileges and black privileges that rules don't apply to him.

Why would they?
Tom

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Professional wrestlers also suffer serious injuries live in pain and tend to die young.

Unlike mere actors.

Yes, they do, and the athletes in context of what Trausti posted are not wrestlers. Professional wrestlers are more like actors than say professional football players. It doesn't make sense to call football players actors! It makes more sense to call wrestlers as actors. Football players are not taking steroids and doing dramatic skits as half the job, but wrestlers are. Either "sport" might be called entertaining and therefore, the players entertainers, but football is far more real. There isn't an actor's "script" mentioned in a contract or implied, but instead a simple appropriateness of behavior. Kneeling is respectful and therefore does not violate the contract of football players, at least at the time of the context of the discussion. Labeling the football players as "actors" is a false oversimplification to try to just sweep away these facts.

They are not actors but sports is entertainment.

All entertainment is not acting.

Right........

which is why I wrote that football players are not actors.

...to Trausti.

?

That said, part of the wrestling job is in fact acting....but it's not part of football.

 

[Alcoholic Actuary]

When you're on the clock you do what the boss tells you to do unless it's dangerous or illegal.

Really, I don't see what's difficult about this.

If you want a football team to pay you $5M a year you gotta do what the management says, while in uniform, in front of fans.
That's it. You can do anything you want the rest of the time. You could hold a rally for BLM with a spectacular finish, shooting bottle rockets at an American flag until it catches fire! No problem.

It's just feeling entitled to do whatever you want at work that's the problem.
Apparently, Mr. Kaepernik feels so entitled by his combination of 1% privileges and black privileges that rules don't apply to him.

Why would they?
Tom

There's quite a bit more nuance to it than that. It's not like there is another 'National Football League' that Kaepernik could go to to play. The NFL is recognized as basically a monopoly (or more accurately a cartel of 32 independent actors "That are capable of conspiring under the Sherman Act")

To be sure, Kaep doesn't need yours or LP's or SF's or the NFL's permission to protest. But hypothetically - if I'm one of 32 employers within a cartel that hires primarily jewish bakers (and there is no other market for such), and I (and all other 32 owners) made all employees salute a nazi flag before work everyday, and I have this dude who vehemently protests doing so. So I fire her because her attention is bad for business and all 32 other owners know the same and so also don't hire her.

Am I justified in doing so? What is the difference if she could actually easily be hired (for roughly the same wages) under a different culture? Given the circumstances outlined, would you consider her brave or 'entitled'? For what position are you actually advocating?

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