California May Have a Random Celebrity Republican as Governor Soon

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well, maybe. Despite the Democrats having a boatload of women and minorities to choose from for President in 2020, they went with a bumbling, old white guy.

And let me be clear, there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that racism (and old money and executive misogyny while we're at it) played a role in that.

The interesting part is that the minority part of the party, voted for the bumbling old white guy. Generally white DNC in Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada didn't vote for the bumbling old white guy, instead they were split among another bumbling old white guy and a young gay white guy. It was South Carolina that put Biden back into the race.

 

[ideologyhunter]

That he makes the lefties this hysterical means we should support him; at least for the entertainment value.

Stop for a moment, and just look at this comment.

Regardless of any specific context it might be in reference to, is there a way to view a comment like this in any way other than juvenile?

There was a time when right wingers wanted respect from others. These days, as Trausti proves here, they seem to prefer scornful derision.

I swear that right wingers will start promoting NAMBLA soon just to hear the "histerical" reaction from the "lefties."

This is a substantial part of Trump's success with the Repub base. What I found horrifying about Trump at the start -- his crude, childish, profane, and sadistic name calling -- turned out to be catnip to Main Street Repubs. They were waiting for someone to use barstool eptithets and scream them at Progressives. They weren't looking for education, taste, respect, and they damn sure weren't looking for statesmanship. They wanted someone to speak for their own belligerence. They couldn't believe the depths Trump took this to. He was dirtier and more delectable than they hoped.

 

[untermensche]

That he makes the lefties this hysterical means we should support him; at least for the entertainment value.

Stop for a moment, and just look at this comment.

Regardless of any specific context it might be in reference to, is there a way to view a comment like this in any way other than juvenile?

There was a time when right wingers wanted respect from others. These days, as Trausti proves here, they seem to prefer scornful derision.

I swear that right wingers will start promoting NAMBLA soon just to hear the "histerical" reaction from the "lefties."

Owning the libs is making decent humans who care about their fellow man and society angry.

 

[thebeave]

Well, maybe. Despite the Democrats having a boatload of women and minorities to choose from for President in 2020, they went with a bumbling, old white guy.

And let me be clear, there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that racism (and old money and executive misogyny while we're at it) played a role in that.

Makes you wonder how Obama ever got elected by a landslide, with such pervasive racism. Or how Hillary won the popular vote in 2016 with all that misogyny running rampant.

 

[Politesse]

Well, maybe. Despite the Democrats having a boatload of women and minorities to choose from for President in 2020, they went with a bumbling, old white guy.

And let me be clear, there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that racism (and old money and executive misogyny while we're at it) played a role in that.

Makes you wonder how Obama ever got elected by a landslide, with such pervasive racism. Or how Hillary won the popular vote in 2016 with all that misogyny running rampant.

Yeah, so wild. Almost as though racism were a factor, but not the only factor, and a factor that actually presents in a somewhat more complicated fashion than Black vs White.

#teachCRT

Do you think it a coincidence that the only Black president in American history was a man who was half-White (from a good New England family), and was extraordinarily cautious about his dialect, code-switching into AAVE only when in the exclusive presence of other African-Americans? This isn't a secret, Obama himself wrote many excellent autobiographies, most of which include extended reflections on what it's like to be Black in a society soaked in White supremacist ideology, and the sacrifices he had to make in order to meet his ambitions. I personally admire Barrack Obama quite a lot despite our political differences, and if you're suggesting that he did not have to struggle with systemic racism (or that Clinton's campaigns were unmarred by blatant, ugly misogyny) I think you're heading to the pitch without a bat.

 

[marc]

They weren't looking for education, taste, respect, and they damn sure weren't looking for statesmanship.

Well in a way they are looking for 'respect'. But not actual respect, they want the 'respect' given to the bully. They want other countries to be intimidated into compliance, toadies that will do what we say or they get a beating.

I'm basing this on how they complained that the US was no longer respected when Obama took over (when in reality the US was regaining lost respect) and claimed Trump made us respected again (instead of the pitiful laughingstock we were)

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

They weren't looking for education, taste, respect, and they damn sure weren't looking for statesmanship.

Well in a way they are looking for 'respect'. But not actual respect, they want the 'respect' given to the bully. They want other countries to be intimidated into compliance, toadies that will do what we say or they get a beating.

I'm basing this on how they complained that the US was no longer respected when Obama took over (when in reality the US was regaining lost respect) and claimed Trump made us respected again (instead of the pitiful laughingstock we were)

Right wingers do a lot of projecting and exhibit much paranoia. Tribalism 101. It's interesting that inability to deal constructively with conflict or loss. I imagine that if we ranked persons on a Dunning Kruger scale such folk would score pretty high, higher than the average, whereas moderates and left wingers, armed with more knowledge - and likely a bit different brain architecture - would inhabit the opposite pole.

 

[untermensche]

Well, maybe. Despite the Democrats having a boatload of women and minorities to choose from for President in 2020, they went with a bumbling, old white guy.

And let me be clear, there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that racism (and old money and executive misogyny while we're at it) played a role in that.

Makes you wonder how Obama ever got elected by a landslide, with such pervasive racism. Or how Hillary won the popular vote in 2016 with all that misogyny running rampant.

Some people understood where all the claims Obama was not a citizen came from and what drove them.

Trump was a leader on that front.

Stormfront.

 

[thebeave]

Makes you wonder how Obama ever got elected by a landslide, with such pervasive racism. Or how Hillary won the popular vote in 2016 with all that misogyny running rampant.

Yeah, so wild. Almost as though racism were a factor, but not the only factor, and a factor that actually presents in a somewhat more complicated fashion than Black vs White.

#teachCRT

Do you think it a coincidence that the only Black president in American history was a man who was half-White (from a good New England family), and was extraordinarily cautious about his dialect, code-switching into AAVE only when in the exclusive presence of other African-Americans? This isn't a secret, Obama himself wrote many excellent autobiographies, most of which include extended reflections on what it's like to be Black in a society soaked in White supremacist ideology, and the sacrifices he had to make in order to meet his ambitions. I personally admire Barrack Obama quite a lot despite our political differences, and if you're suggesting that he did not have to struggle with systemic racism (or that Clinton's campaigns were unmarred by blatant, ugly misogyny) I think you're heading to the pitch without a bat.

I didn't say it was the only factor. Its true there was racism directed towards Obama, I'm not denying that. People saying he was the first clean, articulate Negro to come along, etc. and other demeaning things. On the other hand, how many people went to the polls (who might not otherwise have gone) and voted for him mostly because he was black and they wanted our country to have its first African American President? Sure, most of them were African Americans, but no doubt a lot of non-blacks as well. Those people likely greatly outnumber the racists who voted specifically against him because he was black. Furthermore, even Obama himself when asked said that if he failed to win the Presidency, would it be because America is not ready for a black president, he responded "no", and said it would be because he failed to get his message across to the American people (paraphrasing a bit there).

 

[lpetrich]

The latest numbers from the NYT:
62.8-37.2 at 92%
50-50: over threshold _ 58-42: 3-97

Well, maybe. Despite the Democrats having a boatload of women and minorities to choose from for President in 2020, they went with a bumbling, old white guy.

And let me be clear, there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that racism (and old money and executive misogyny while we're at it) played a role in that.

Makes you wonder how Obama ever got elected by a landslide, with such pervasive racism. Or how Hillary won the popular vote in 2016 with all that misogyny running rampant.

thebeave, look at the actual numbers rather than spout right-wing nonsense.

 

[ZiprHead]

The latest numbers from the NYT:
62.8-37.2 at 92%
50-50: over threshold _ 58-42: 3-97

Makes you wonder how Obama ever got elected by a landslide, with such pervasive racism. Or how Hillary won the popular vote in 2016 with all that misogyny running rampant.

thebeave, look at the actual numbers rather than spout right-wing nonsense.

Don't be so hard on the Beaver, Wally.

 

[thebeave]

The latest numbers from the NYT:
62.8-37.2 at 92%
50-50: over threshold _ 58-42: 3-97

Makes you wonder how Obama ever got elected by a landslide, with such pervasive racism. Or how Hillary won the popular vote in 2016 with all that misogyny running rampant.

thebeave, look at the actual numbers rather than spout right-wing nonsense.

What numbers are you talking about, and what right wing nonsense am I spouting? Obama beat McCain in the EC in 2008 by 365 to 173. Not sure if that qualifies per se as a landslide, but its certainly not a close match. And Hillary got 65.9 million votes versus Trump's 63 million.

 

[lpetrich]

What numbers are you talking about, and what right wing nonsense am I spouting? Obama beat McCain in the EC in 2008 by 365 to 173. Not sure if that qualifies per se as a landslide, but its certainly not a close match. And Hillary got 65.9 million votes versus Trump's 63 million.

Using the electoral vote for Obama but not for Hillary Clinton, that's cheating. Obama did NOT win the popular vote by his electoral-vote margins in either of his Presidential elections. I had to go to the trouble of researching the numbers myself. thebeave, if I could do it, you can too.

If Republicans are much more likely to be racist then Democrats, then that is consistent with Barack Obama's margins of victory. Likewise for Hillary's popular-vote margin and Republicans being much more likely to be sexist than Democrats.

 

[thebeave]

The latest numbers from the NYT:
62.7-37.3 at 93%
50-50, 58-42: both over threshold

What numbers are you talking about, and what right wing nonsense am I spouting? Obama beat McCain in the EC in 2008 by 365 to 173. Not sure if that qualifies per se as a landslide, but its certainly not a close match. And Hillary got 65.9 million votes versus Trump's 63 million.

Using the electoral vote for Obama but not for Hillary Clinton, that's cheating. Obama did NOT win the popular vote by his electoral-vote margins in either of his Presidential elections. I had to go to the trouble of researching the numbers myself. thebeave, if I could do it, you can too.

If Republicans are much more likely to be racist then Democrats, then that is consistent with Barack Obama's margins of victory. Likewise for Hillary's popular-vote margin and Republicans being much more likely to be sexist than Democrats.

Dude, you're kind of splitting hairs here. Here's what Wikipedia says about Obama's win:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_presidential_election

Obama won a decisive victory over McCain, winning the Electoral College and the popular vote by a sizable margin, including states that had not voted for the Democratic presidential candidate since 1976 (North Carolina) and 1964 (Indiana and Virginia). Obama received the largest share of the popular vote won by a Democrat since Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964 and was the first Democrat to win an outright majority of the popular vote since Jimmy Carter in 1976. Obama's total count of 69.5 million votes stood as the largest tally ever won by a presidential candidate until 2020, when this was surpassed by both major party candidates in a high-turnout election. Obama flipped nine states that had voted Republican in 2004: Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Iowa, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, and Virginia, as well as Nebraska's 2nd congressional district.

It was an impressive and decisive win for Obama, whether you look at EC or popular vote. Its widely known that Hillary lost the EC because she (and her supporters) was overconfident and she had a poor campaign strategy. She didn't campaign at all in Rust Belt states that had flipped to Trump. Not to mention that a lot of women voters went for Trump over Hillary. Had she done better with the women voters and the Rust Belt states, she would have won easily. I guess there are a lot of misogynistic women voters out there?!

 

[lpetrich]

The latest numbers from the NYT:
62.7-37.3 at 93%
50-50, 58-42: both over threshold

The slow decline is due to counting votes in the more rural parts of the state, parts that tended to vote to recall Gov. Newsom. Still on track to be at least 62% no recall when all the votes are counted.


ETA: I'm now predicting 62.1 - 62.2 % final "No" vote.

 

[Derec]

Using the electoral vote for Obama but not for Hillary Clinton, that's cheating. Obama did NOT win the popular vote by his electoral-vote margins in either of his Presidential elections. I had to go to the trouble of researching the numbers myself. thebeave, if I could do it, you can too.

Obama won the popular vote both times (52.9 and 51.1%, respectively). Who cares that he did not win it "by his electoral-vote margins"?
Btw, Hillary did not win the popular vote. She got 48.2%. Better than Trump for sure, but well short of a majority. If US had a popular vote system for electing president like in France, there'd be a runoff election.

If Republicans are much more likely to be racist then Democrats, then that is consistent with Barack Obama's margins of victory. Likewise for Hillary's popular-vote margin and Republicans being much more likely to be sexist than Democrats.

Even if it were true that these things are "consistent" that does not mean they are true. Hillary lost not because of any "sexism" but because she was a horrible candidate.

 

[fromderinside]

Even if it were true that these things are "consistent" that does not mean they are true. Hillary lost not because of any "sexism" but because she was a horrible candidate.

Yes. The variety often referred to as "That woman!"

 

[ZiprHead]

Even if it were true that these things are "consistent" that does not mean they are true. Hillary lost not because of any "sexism" but because she was a horrible candidate.

Does that mean Trump was a great candidate?

Could you explain what you mean by horrible? What was horrible about Clinton?

 

[Jarhyn]

Dude, you're kind of splitting hairs here. Here's what Wikipedia says about Obama's win:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_presidential_election

Obama won a decisive victory over McCain, winning the Electoral College and the popular vote by a sizable margin, including states that had not voted for the Democratic presidential candidate since 1976 (North Carolina) and 1964 (Indiana and Virginia). Obama received the largest share of the popular vote won by a Democrat since Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964 and was the first Democrat to win an outright majority of the popular vote since Jimmy Carter in 1976. Obama's total count of 69.5 million votes stood as the largest tally ever won by a presidential candidate until 2020, when this was surpassed by both major party candidates in a high-turnout election. Obama flipped nine states that had voted Republican in 2004: Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Iowa, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, and Virginia, as well as Nebraska's 2nd congressional district.

It was an impressive and decisive win for Obama, whether you look at EC or popular vote. Its widely known that Hillary lost the EC because she (and her supporters) was overconfident and she had a poor campaign strategy. She didn't campaign at all in Rust Belt states that had flipped to Trump. Not to mention that a lot of women voters went for Trump over Hillary. Had she done better with the women voters and the Rust Belt states, she would have won easily. I guess there are a lot of misogynistic women voters out there?!

More, there are a lot of contrarian humans out there. If you tell someone they are are expected to behave a certain way, they will do the opposite out of spite.

In a lot of ways, Hillary was too demanding. "Vote for me, emphasize "HER"..

We could have avoided all this by any of a thousand people in the process actually heeding "the smart ones," and going with "she's with me" instead of "I'm with her"; the psychology of the two phrases is entirely different.

 

[TomC]

Dude, you're kind of splitting hairs here. Here's what Wikipedia says about Obama's win:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_presidential_election

Obama won a decisive victory over McCain, winning the Electoral College and the popular vote by a sizable margin, including states that had not voted for the Democratic presidential candidate since 1976 (North Carolina) and 1964 (Indiana and Virginia). Obama received the largest share of the popular vote won by a Democrat since Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964 and was the first Democrat to win an outright majority of the popular vote since Jimmy Carter in 1976. Obama's total count of 69.5 million votes stood as the largest tally ever won by a presidential candidate until 2020, when this was surpassed by both major party candidates in a high-turnout election. Obama flipped nine states that had voted Republican in 2004: Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Iowa, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, and Virginia, as well as Nebraska's 2nd congressional district.

It was an impressive and decisive win for Obama, whether you look at EC or popular vote. Its widely known that Hillary lost the EC because she (and her supporters) was overconfident and she had a poor campaign strategy. She didn't campaign at all in Rust Belt states that had flipped to Trump. Not to mention that a lot of women voters went for Trump over Hillary. Had she done better with the women voters and the Rust Belt states, she would have won easily. I guess there are a lot of misogynistic women voters out there?!

More, there are a lot of contrarian humans out there. If you tell someone they are are expected to behave a certain way, they will do the opposite out of spite.

In a lot of ways, Hillary was too demanding. "Vote for me, emphasize "HER"..

We could have avoided all this by any of a thousand people in the process actually heeding "the smart ones," and going with "she's with me" instead of "I'm with her"; the psychology of the two phrases is entirely different.

Funny how perceptions work.

I had the feeling that by 2016 gender and race simply weren't important to the overwhelming majority of the electorate. Clinton kinda had to hammer it to benefit from the "Vote for the first female president EVAH!" thing. Otherwise people just wouldn't care.
Tom