What? No 'This week in trans' thread about Passport X?

[Keith&Co.]

The US issued a passport on Wednesday with an 'X' for Gender.

Issuance of the First U.S. Passport with an X Gender Marker - United States Department of State

We continue to take steps to demonstrate our commitment to promoting the freedom, dignity, and equality of all people - including LGBTQI+ U.S. citizens.

www.state.gov

The U.S. special diplomatic envoy for LGBTQ rights, Jessica Stern, said she viewed the latest move from the State Department "as a way of affirming and uplifting the human rights of trans and intersex and gender-nonconforming and nonbinary people everywhere."

How did this sign of the apocalypse escape notice? Where is the gnashing and the pearls?
Or did i miss the post? I guess this has been in the works since June, was there a thread of outrage then? If so, please ignore this one.

 

[Jarhyn]

Or, we can just finally be happy to have an option that is "I don't play that game, sorry."

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Gun Nut]

My guess is because it didn't take something away from someone else... like an award or a job. This was the addition of an option.

 

[Keith&Co.]

My guess is because it didn't take something away from someone else... like an award or a job. This was the addition of an option.

Nothing about the poor customs agents?
Or forcing other countries to play along?
Of course, about 15 countries already have one or another form of non-binary passport options. Looks like the US is just slow to the party.
Again.
Still, every little dtep helps.

 

[Metaphor]

The US issued a passport on Wednesday with an 'X' for Gender.

Issuance of the First U.S. Passport with an X Gender Marker - United States Department of State

We continue to take steps to demonstrate our commitment to promoting the freedom, dignity, and equality of all people - including LGBTQI+ U.S. citizens.

www.state.gov

The U.S. special diplomatic envoy for LGBTQ rights, Jessica Stern, said she viewed the latest move from the State Department "as a way of affirming and uplifting the human rights of trans and intersex and gender-nonconforming and nonbinary people everywhere."

How did this sign of the apocalypse escape notice? Where is the gnashing and the pearls?
Or did i miss the post? I guess this has been in the works since June, was there a thread of outrage then? If so, please ignore this one.

I'm confused.

I don't have a U.S. passport, but none of the examples I've looked at online have a 'Gender' field. Did the U.S. add a 'Gender' field and give it three options?

Will the already-issued passports that do not have a gender field be allowed, or will people need to get the newly-issued ones?

 

[Trausti]

The US issued a passport on Wednesday with an 'X' for Gender.

Issuance of the First U.S. Passport with an X Gender Marker - United States Department of State

We continue to take steps to demonstrate our commitment to promoting the freedom, dignity, and equality of all people - including LGBTQI+ U.S. citizens.

www.state.gov

The U.S. special diplomatic envoy for LGBTQ rights, Jessica Stern, said she viewed the latest move from the State Department "as a way of affirming and uplifting the human rights of trans and intersex and gender-nonconforming and nonbinary people everywhere."

How did this sign of the apocalypse escape notice? Where is the gnashing and the pearls?
Or did i miss the post? I guess this has been in the works since June, was there a thread of outrage then? If so, please ignore this one.

I'm confused.

I don't have a U.S. passport, but none of the examples I've looked at online have a 'Gender' field. Did the U.S. add a 'Gender' field and give it three options?

I think a person can use 'x' instead of 'm' or 'f', for those who identify as a random variable.

 

[Arctish]

This ruling was the result of a lawsuit filed by an intersex individual named Dana Zzyym , who was unable to truthfully and accurately fill in the required fields on their passport application:

Dana Zzyym, who uses the gender-neutral pronouns “they,” “them” and “their,” was born with ambiguous sex characteristics. After their parents decided to raise them as a boy, Dana underwent several irreversible, painful and medically unnecessary surgeries that didn’t work, traumatized Dana and left them with severe scarring. Many years later, after serving six years in the U.S. Navy and then attending Colorado State University, Dana began researching surgeries and came to understand they had been born intersex.

Dana currently serves as associate director for Intersex Campaign for Equality. As part of their work, Dana was invited to attend several international intersex conferences, but was unable to attend because they did not have a passport. Before today, passport applicants were forced to select a gender marker of either ‘male’ or ‘female’ or otherwise forgo the essential travel document. It also required first-time applicants to submit evidence of citizenship, such as a birth certificate, which in Dana’s case lists their sex as “unknown.” Notwithstanding the information on their birth certificate and the fact that Dana’s doctors with the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs confirmed Dana was born with intersex traits, Dana’s application for a passport was denied.

 

[Bomb#20]

I don't have a U.S. passport, but none of the examples I've looked at online have a 'Gender' field. Did the U.S. add a 'Gender' field and give it three options?

Right side, about half way down.

 

[Metaphor]

I don't have a U.S. passport, but none of the examples I've looked at online have a 'Gender' field. Did the U.S. add a 'Gender' field and give it three options?

Right side, about half way down.

I do not see any 'gender' field.

I see a field marked 'sex'. If the US wants to replace biological sex (which is observed and recorded at birth) with gender identity, it should get rid of 'sex' and put 'gender identity' in its place. And if the US wants her people to have 'gender identity' on their passports, I would ask 'why'?

 

[Arctish]

Dana Zzyym's sex is neither male nor female. Since those were the only designations the US allowed it was not possible for them to truthfully and accurately note their sex in that field and their passport application was denied. They successfully sued so that their sex can be correctly recorded.

Whether Zzyym's gender is male, female, non-binary, or other, has not been reported in any of the news stories I've read (and I've been following this story for years). But since the US does not record people's gender on passports, it's a moot point.

 

[Patooka]

And if the US wants her people to have 'gender identity' on their passports, I would ask 'why'?

To stifle your right to free speech and create an Orwellian dystopia where the tyranny of trans people rules supreme. Duh. Honestly, I'm amazed that this whole thing slipped by you, you're normally very quick to point out such horrific atrocities.

 

[Metaphor]

Dana Zzyym's sex is neither male nor female. Since those were the only designations the US allowed it was not possible for them to truthfully and accurately note their sex in that field and their passport application was denied. They successfully sued so that their sex can be correctly recorded.

Whether Zzyym's gender is male, female, non-binary, or other, has not been reported in any of the news stories I've read (and I've been following this story for years). But since the US does not record people's gender on passports, it's a moot point.

On the contrary, the link in the OP talks only about gender and gender identity, including in the title. I went back and double-checked. It sounds like the State department thinks the sex marker was either a gender marker all along, or they're changing it to a gender marker.

The State Department says:
the Department is moving towards adding an X gender marker for non-binary, intersex, and gender non-conforming persons applying for a U.S. passport or CRBA.

Non-binary and gender non-conforming refer to a person's gender, not sex. So the State Department is making the sex marker incoherent. For some people it will describe their sex, and for others it will describe their gender.

If Zzyym's sex is ambiguous enough to warrant an 'X' then they should get an X.

 

[Metaphor]

And if the US wants her people to have 'gender identity' on their passports, I would ask 'why'?

To stifle your right to free speech and create an Orwellian dystopia where the tyranny of trans people rules supreme. Duh. Honestly, I'm amazed that this whole thing slipped by you, you're normally very quick to point out such horrific atrocities.

What the State department has done is certainly Orwellian: they've made the sex marker on passports an incoherent field. The field is labelled 'sex' but it no longer means 'sex'.

 

[Arctish]

On the contrary, the link in the OP talks only about gender and gender identity, including in the title. I went back and double-checked. It sounds like the State department thinks the sex marker was either a gender marker all along, or they're changing it to a gender marker.

The State Department says:
the Department is moving towards adding an X gender marker for non-binary, intersex, and gender non-conforming persons applying for a U.S. passport or CRBA.

Non-binary and gender non-conforming refer to a person's gender, not sex. So the State Department is making the sex marker incoherent. For some people it will describe their sex, and for others it will describe their gender.

If Zzyym's sex is ambiguous enough to warrant an 'X' then they should get an X.

The link I provided has more information than the OP article. I quoted the part that says why the State Department had denied Zzyym a passport and why Zzyym sued.

 

[Arctish]

What the State department has done is certainly Orwellian: they've made the sex marker on passports an incoherent field. The field is labelled 'sex' but it no longer means 'sex'.

It only looks incoherent to you because you refuse to acknowledge that some folks have the biological sex traits of both males and females, or have secondary sex characteristics of one sex while having the chromosome pattern of the other, or have a chromosome pattern that cannot be categorized as either male or female.

Zzyym's biological sex is both male and female; to call them either male or female is inaccurate.

 

[Metaphor]

What the State department has done is certainly Orwellian: they've made the sex marker on passports an incoherent field. The field is labelled 'sex' but it no longer means 'sex'.

It only looks incoherent to you

On the contrary, it looks incoherent because it is incoherent.

because you refuse to acknowledge that some folks have the biological sex traits of both males and females,

I have never said that disorders of sexual development do not exist.

or have secondary sex characteristics of one sex while having the chromosome pattern of the other, or have a chromosome pattern that cannot be categorized as either male or female.

I have never said that disorders of sexual development do not exist.

Zzyym's biological sex is both male and female; to call them either male or female is inaccurate.

I don't know the detail of Zzymm's biological sex, but as I said, if their sex is ambiguous enough to warrant an 'X', then they should get an 'X'. The sex marker on a passport is to help with identification.

 

[Angry Floof]

I don't have a U.S. passport, but none of the examples I've looked at online have a 'Gender' field. Did the U.S. add a 'Gender' field and give it three options?

Right side, about half way down.

I do not see any 'gender' field.

I see a field marked 'sex'. If the US wants to replace biological sex (which is observed and recorded at birth) with gender identity, it should get rid of 'sex' and put 'gender identity' in its place. And if the US wants her people to have 'gender identity' on their passports, I would ask 'why'?

"X" indicates intersex, which is sex but not M or F.

How is this even a question given all the information that has been hashed out here about how human beings are not always fully female or male in reproductive organs? When it's not clearly male or clearly female, it's called intersex. This is not always apparent at birth, which is not even a point in the sex organ process. It begins early after conception and continues for most of gestation and not much of significance until puberty. The process can be described as "ongoing," but birth is not a change point or "milestone" in that process.

There is no rational reason to consider these cases "disorders" any more than you would call blue eyes or freckles "disorders."

Whether the people who know their own sex to be intersex want that to be known is their business. When they do, there are now more places where they can indicate X. This is not a "gender identity" although that is of course related in not only personal experience but obviously in social dynamics throughout life.

As for why a passport would have gender identity, I have no idea, but if they do that, I would also be interested in their rationale for it. Trump administration aside, government agencies don't tend to make such changes flippantly. Right or wrong, they do get legal and scientific input, especially for shit they are aware is going to hit the fan given the large chunk of bigoted right wing morons we have in our population.

The military started adapting to this reality decades ago in a lot if not all of the many and varying DoD databases within the DoD and in agencies whose databases the DoD can access.

 

[Metaphor]

On the contrary, the link in the OP talks only about gender and gender identity, including in the title. I went back and double-checked. It sounds like the State department thinks the sex marker was either a gender marker all along, or they're changing it to a gender marker.

The State Department says:
the Department is moving towards adding an X gender marker for non-binary, intersex, and gender non-conforming persons applying for a U.S. passport or CRBA.

Non-binary and gender non-conforming refer to a person's gender, not sex. So the State Department is making the sex marker incoherent. For some people it will describe their sex, and for others it will describe their gender.

If Zzyym's sex is ambiguous enough to warrant an 'X' then they should get an X.

The link I provided has more information than the OP article. I quoted the part that says why the State Department had denied Zzyym a passport and why Zzyym sued.

I understand why Zzyym sued and I completely support them. The State has no business denying a passport because somebody has a disorder of sexual development.

But everything I said is and remains true.

 

[ZiprHead]

I think Metaphor want pictures of the person's genitals in their passport too.