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Ontario teacher's union reduces weighting of votes cast by white people

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On Monday,
@OSSTFD20TEACHER
(Ont Sec School Teachers' Fed, District 20) announced that their rules would be changed so that each non-white union member would have his/her vote weighted more than white members. Here are the slides they used to justify the decision to rank & file
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(please click through to see the slides and details).

There's no set weighting, but for future votes, a quorum is achieved only if 'Black, Indigenous, or Racialized' votes make up at least 50 per cent of the voters. If they do not, their weighting will be changed to be equal to 50 per cent.

Some racist skkkumbag teachers called this 'reverse racism', and so the local union president said the term 'reverse racism' was 'harmful' and a form of 'harassment'.

I hope and pray political systems everywhere take on this stunning and brave antiracist approach. One person, one vote is just another manifestation of a world rooted in white supremacy.
 
In multiracial societies, you don't vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.

- Lee Kwan Yew

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Metaphor said:

On Monday,
@OSSTFD20TEACHER
(Ont Sec School Teachers' Fed, District 20) announced that their rules would be changed so that each non-white union member would have his/her vote weighted more than white members. Here are the slides they used to justify the decision to rank & file
Click to expand...
(please click through to see the slides and details).

There's no set weighting, but for future votes, a quorum is achieved only if 'Black, Indigenous, or Racialized' votes make up at least 50 per cent of the voters. If they do not, their weighting will be changed to be equal to 50 per cent.

Some racist skkkumbag teachers called this 'reverse racism', and so the local union president said the term 'reverse racism' was 'harmful' and a form of 'harassment'.

I hope and pray political systems everywhere take on this stunning and brave antiracist approach. One person, one vote is just another manifestation of a world rooted in white supremacy.
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Assuming this is true (I have to check yet), "reverse racism" is the wrong term. The right term is 'racism', and if one wants more precision, 'racism against White people'.
 
Angra Mainyu said:
Metaphor said:

On Monday,
@OSSTFD20TEACHER
(Ont Sec School Teachers' Fed, District 20) announced that their rules would be changed so that each non-white union member would have his/her vote weighted more than white members. Here are the slides they used to justify the decision to rank & file
Click to expand...
(please click through to see the slides and details).

There's no set weighting, but for future votes, a quorum is achieved only if 'Black, Indigenous, or Racialized' votes make up at least 50 per cent of the voters. If they do not, their weighting will be changed to be equal to 50 per cent.

Some racist skkkumbag teachers called this 'reverse racism', and so the local union president said the term 'reverse racism' was 'harmful' and a form of 'harassment'.

I hope and pray political systems everywhere take on this stunning and brave antiracist approach. One person, one vote is just another manifestation of a world rooted in white supremacy.
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Assuming this is true (I have to check yet), "reverse racism" is the wrong term. The right term is 'racism', and if one wants more precision, 'racism against White people'.
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Like a lot of Woke developments, it smacks of Too Ludicrous to be True. Yet, the Ontario Secondary School Teacher's Federation has remained silent on the issue, and presumably if it were fabricated, they would have said so.

I agree: I never use the term 'reverse racism' (or 'reverse sexism'). I just use 'racism' and 'sexism' when it applies.
 
This could get a a bit tricky:

What if in a few years, the majority of union members are POCs. Will the White people get their votes weighted more than the POCs?

Can people just identify as a different race so as to swing the votes one way or another?

What if you are a racially mixed union member? If you are 25% black and 75% white, is your voting weighted differently than if you are 100% black?

What if you are black, but were adopted and raised by white parents in a white community. So, you largely identify with white culture, making you a BINO. How does this affect your vote weighting?

Racial politics is just so confusing.
 
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thebeave said:
What if in a few years, the majority of union members are POCs. Will the White people get their votes weighted more than the POCs?
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The intention appears that it only applies when POC have not reached quorum - that is, 50 per cent of the voting body. But depending on how carefully it is worded, it could be argued to mean that yes - if POC raw numbers are actually, say, 60 per cent of the voting body, then they should be re-weighted to be 50 per cent.
thebeave said:
Can people just identify as a different race so as to swing the votes one way or another?
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I don't know. If it is an honour system, I would identify as POC and encourage everyone else to do so as well.
thebeave said:
What if you are a racially mixed union member? If you are 25% black and 75% white, is your voting weighted differently than if you are 100% black?
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I think it's something the union will have to work through. As a 'wog' Slav, I think I should count as about 50% white, 50% POC in the quorum requirements.
 
Why did they not weight it also to have 50:50 male & female while they were there?
Seems like a grave injustice.
 
Tigers! said:
Why did they not weight it also to have 50:50 male & female while they were there?
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About 60 per cent of secondary school teachers in Ontario are female, so that is the correct direction of inequality to achieve equity of male and female.

Had males been 60 per cent of secondary school teachers I'm sure a 'gender parity' clause would have been introduced, though currently equity between the sexes is much less fashionable than equity between white people and everyone else (except Asians).
 
If there's truth to this it's just a lawsuit waiting to happen.
 
*wing-shrugs*

It would suit me just fine if they gave the same kind of weighting to benefit transgender members, too.

If white members have not actually been doing anything to unfairly advantage themselves, then they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. The demonstration of trust toward their minority coworkers could only serve to improve relations in my own humble opinion.
 
SigmatheZeta said:
It would suit me just fine if they gave the same kind of weighting to benefit transgender members, too.
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I think you'll find naked self-interest often appeals to certain kinds of people.

Out of interest, what weighting would be fair? Do you think the transgender vote should count for 50 per cent of the vote, even if they are 1 per cent of the voters?
 
@Metaphor As far as you are concerned, I am dictator for life.
 
Tigers! said:
2 quick thoughts
1. What happened to one vote, one value?
2. How will this stop racism in any form?
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1)How is the senate organised in Australia? If you live in a smaller state, your vote has more value.
2)I *think* the intent of this measure is much like the comparison I provided - to make sure minorities aren't consistently railroaded by majorities.

That is not to say this is a perfect comparison. After reading the slides I still couldn't make head nor tails to how this is going to be implemented. I'm all in favour of a governing body mirroring the constituents it represents without ignoring its minority members. I don't think this is the way to do it and it should have been trialled first.
 
Patooka said:
1)How is the senate organised in Australia? If you live in a smaller state, your vote has more value.
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Your state has disproportionate influence in federal legislation, but everybody within a state has the same vote value as each other. And, as far as I know, there is no modern system that gives individuals additional weighting based on their ethnicity/race.

Patooka said:
2)I *think* the intent of this measure is much like the comparison I provided - to make sure minorities aren't consistently railroaded by majorities.
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How do you recognise 'railroading' when you see it?

Patooka said:
That is not to say this is a perfect comparison. After reading the slides I still couldn't make head nor tails to how this is going to be implemented.
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I understand it as:
If both the white voters and the non-white voters each have a majority 'yes' within their race groups, a measure will pass.
If white voters have a majority 'yes' within their race group, but non-white voters do not, then the weighting of the non-white voters will be weighted to 50 per cent. This may or may not be enough to pass or fail the motion.
Conversely, if white voters do not have a majority 'yes' within their race group but non-white voters do have a majority 'yes', the weighting will be changed to consider non-white voters at 50 per cent.

Patooka said:
I'm all in favour of a governing body mirroring the constituents it represents without ignoring its minority members.
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They are mutually exclusive outcomes.

Patooka said:
I don't think this is the way to do it and it should have been trialled first.
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