Rittenhouse/Kenosha Shooting Split

[TSwizzle]

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I think it's called associative bias and it is something to be mindful about. I don't think Rittenhouse is Asa Carter level racist, but I can also see how some people would jump to that conclusion.

Considering how Rittenhouse was portrayed in the MSM and even the POTUS it really is a question of why wouldn't one conclude that Rittnhouse is nothing but a nasty white supremacist.

 

[Trausti]

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I think it's called associative bias and it is something to be mindful about. I don't think Rittenhouse is Asa Carter level racist, but I can also see how some people would jump to that conclusion.

Considering how Rittenhouse was portrayed in the MSM and even the POTUS it really is a question of why wouldn't one conclude that Rittnhouse is nothing but a nasty white supremacist.

He's White and male. A horrendous sin that can't be redeemed. He also crossed state lines! Just an awful person.

 

[Metaphor]

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I think it's called associative bias and it is something to be mindful about. I don't think Rittenhouse is Asa Carter level racist, but I can also see how some people would jump to that conclusion.

Considering how Rittenhouse was portrayed in the MSM and even the POTUS it really is a question of why wouldn't one conclude that Rittnhouse is nothing but a nasty white supremacist.

He's White and male. A horrendous sin that can't be redeemed. He also crossed state lines! Just an awful person.

It's true that he's white and male and that is a horrendous sin. But he's almost certainly a cishet white male, and that's 9th circle of hell territory.

 

[blastula]

Going from how the ABC reported the interview (because I honestly can't stand more than a minute and a half of Tucker Carlson but that's my problem) here are some key call outs:

Mr Rittenhouse's lawyers have said he is not a white supremacist. "I'm not a racist person. I support the BLM movement. I support I support.peacefully demonstrating,' Mr Rittenhouse told Carlson

Ouch, such a betrayal, that oughta trigger a lot of people. Like Tucker Carlson.

 

[Derec]

Meanwhile Rittenhouse continues to show no signs of any remorse for the killing of human beings.

How does not liking being defamed by powerful figures in media and politics have anything to do with how he feels about having had to use deadly force to defend himself?

Yes, Kyle, you are the true victim in all this.

He is indeed a victim of a partisan witch hunt that btw still persists among the likes of Jerry Nadler, the Squad and media figures like Joy Reed.

 

[Derec]

Any context explaining who "they" refers to in that quote? The dead guys?
Tom

No. It refers to the people who were spreading defamatory statements, like that he was a "white supremacist" or that he "crossed state lines armed with a weapon of war".

 

[Trausti]

 

[Patooka]

I guess right wingers have a different definition of laying low.

Rittenhouse: 'I don't agree with' Proud Boys, blames former lawyers for photo

Kyle Rittenhouse says he never meant to pose for photos with the Proud Boys, and blamed his former attorneys for introducing them into his case.

www.newsnationnow.com

Fuck it is such a mystery how some people thought Rittenhouse is a white supremacist when professional cunts like Trump and Lin Wood are grooming the guy to be every alt-righter's wet dream. If you're going to act like a provocative fuckwit, you don't get to cry foul when people say mean things about you.

 

[Arctish]

Any context explaining who "they" refers to in that quote? The dead guys?
Tom

No. It refers to the people who were spreading defamatory statements, like that he was a "white supremacist" or that he "crossed state lines armed with a weapon of war".

Indeed.

Kyle Rittenhouse hangs out with White Supremacists and poses for nice, friendly pictures with them. That doesn't mean me is one. He's merely White supremacist adjacent.

And he didn't cross state lines armed with a weapon of war. He crossed state lines to go to the house where his friend stored the weapon of war he had bought for Kyle, at Kyle's request and using Kyle's money, because Kyle was under the legal age to own or possess it himself.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Any context explaining who "they" refers to in that quote? The dead guys?
Tom

No. It refers to the people who were spreading defamatory statements, like that he was a "white supremacist" or that he "crossed state lines armed with a weapon of war".

Indeed.

Kyle Rittenhouse hangs out with White Supremacists and poses for nice, friendly pictures with them. That doesn't mean me is one. He's merely White supremacist adjacent.

And he didn't cross state lines armed with a weapon of war. He crossed state lines to go to the house where his friend stored the weapon of war he had bought for Kyle, at Kyle's request and using Kyle's money, because Kyle was under the legal age to own or possess it himself.

This.

Also, he said he wanted to shoot people, at least some of whom, and possibly all of whom, were looters. If any were not looters, then certainly their proximity to looters and going in and out of a business made them accomplices. We know most people in this forum do not support looting, but the question isn't one about being either for or against looting, but what kind of frame of mind does a person establish when it can be deduced that they find it acceptable to shoot someone for misdemeanor theft of someone else's property.

None of this particular tangent of discussion is meant to be adequate evidence for conviction but it certainly doesn't portray the Angel Hero Manboy that Reich-wingers are horny happy over on the Internet.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Meanwhile Rittenhouse continues to show no signs of any remorse for the killing of human beings.

“I have really good lawyers who are taking care of that right now,” Rittenhouse said. “So I’m hoping one day there will be some — there will be accountability for their actions that they did.”

Yes, Kyle, you are the true victim in all this.

Anyone who reacts this way to killing in self defense is either a sociopath or wasn't really killing in self defense in the first place.

 

[laughing dog]

Mr Rittenhouse is still a teenager, which may help explain his cluelessness.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Meanwhile Rittenhouse continues to show no signs of any remorse for the killing of human beings.

“I have really good lawyers who are taking care of that right now,” Rittenhouse said. “So I’m hoping one day there will be some — there will be accountability for their actions that they did.”

Yes, Kyle, you are the true victim in all this.

Anyone who reacts this way to killing in self defense is either a sociopath or wasn't really killing in self defense in the first place.

That's been my worthless gut opinion most of this time. He doesn't seem right.

Mr Rittenhouse is still a teenager, which may help explain his cluelessness.

Was there testimony about him vomiting and going into shock after what happened? Or a Zimmerman-like I ain't done nothin' wrong reaction. This whole time, we heard how he went there to do good, but his reaction post the shooting weren't of a person that went there to do good. Even in his fake crying scene, it was about how he was in danger.

It could be teenaged dumbery, but my money is on sociopath. And you can take that diagnosis (and $5) to get an over-priced cup of burned roasted coffee at Starbucks.

 

[lpetrich]

Kyle Rittenhouse verdict: Not guilty on all counts : NPR

Jurors deliberated for roughly 27 hours over the course of four days before pronouncing Rittenhouse not guilty on all five counts: first-degree intentional homicide, first-degree reckless homicide, first-degree attempted intentional homicide and two counts of first-degree reckless endangerment. The jury was also asked to consider lesser versions of several counts, but were not swayed.

They should have gotten him on excessive force, even if not murder.

What was he doing with an AR-15-like rifle? Did he get a lot of practice with using that kind of gun? If he wanted to play vigilante, he could have brought along a baseball bat. A baseball bat?  Club (weapon)

Why was he alone? Why wasn't he part of some vigilante squad?

 

[J842P]

Kyle Rittenhouse verdict: Not guilty on all counts : NPR

Jurors deliberated for roughly 27 hours over the course of four days before pronouncing Rittenhouse not guilty on all five counts: first-degree intentional homicide, first-degree reckless homicide, first-degree attempted intentional homicide and two counts of first-degree reckless endangerment. The jury was also asked to consider lesser versions of several counts, but were not swayed.

They should have gotten him on excessive force, even if not murder.

What was he doing with an AR-15-like rifle? Did he get a lot of practice with using that kind of gun? If he wanted to play vigilante, he could have brought along a baseball bat. A baseball bat?  Club (weapon)

Why was he alone? Why wasn't he part of some vigilante squad?

So, you clearly haven't even bothered to avail yourself of the basic facts.

And excessive force was not used.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Mr Rittenhouse is still a teenager, which may help explain his cluelessness.

I completely 100% agree with this. Being an older adult myself, I feel like explaining entitled thinking and recklessness to my younglings has sometimes been a battle: "No, you shouldn't be throwing the baby up and down, catching it in the kitchen above the hard ceramic tiles." ... I think it is entirely possible KR cannot fully appreciate things, but this gives rise to some other issues--(1) this is why teenagers shouldn't be running around with guns; (2) when young Black teens commit crimes, people claim that being tried as an adult is in their best interest. This could be true. I have no idea, but there is at least some consistency there, even if not in the verdict or in the expensive lawyers; (3) there seems to be a cultural response to KR morally supporting his recklessness and entitled thinking in such a way as to make remorse less likely and learning from these tragedies impossible.

 

[lpetrich]

So, you clearly haven't even bothered to avail yourself of the basic facts.

What "basic facts"?

And excessive force was not used.

What, in your mind, would have been excessive force?

If he had brought along a baseball bat, would that have been too little force?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

AR15s add dignity, to what would otherwise be an ugly brawl.

 

[Generation55]

Kyle Rittenhouse verdict: Not guilty on all counts : NPR

Jurors deliberated for roughly 27 hours over the course of four days before pronouncing Rittenhouse not guilty on all five counts: first-degree intentional homicide, first-degree reckless homicide, first-degree attempted intentional homicide and two counts of first-degree reckless endangerment. The jury was also asked to consider lesser versions of several counts, but were not swayed.

They should have gotten him on excessive force, even if not murder.

What was he doing with an AR-15-like rifle? Did he get a lot of practice with using that kind of gun? If he wanted to play vigilante, he could have brought along a baseball bat. A baseball bat?  Club (weapon)

Why was he alone? Why wasn't he part of some vigilante squad?

Why was it OK for the black Panthers to bring assault rifles and march into the capitol building? if it's OK fr them to bring assault rifles to a protest, you can't yell at Kyle for doing it. And if it's not OK for the Panthers to bring an assault rifle to a protest, then you have to yell at Kyle for doing it.

This keeps getting ignored. Which is it? Both are allowed or none?

Because I will admit that if the Black Panthers were assaulted by Proud Boys trying to take their guns and the Black Panthers shot them in self-defense, I have a feeling most of you guys would be saying, "Why'd those inbred moronic proud boys try to wrestle a gun from a protestor? Darwin award! Darwin award! They deserved it!"

Am I right or wrong here?

Also keep in mind Kyle showed incredible restraint. He calmly walked around with the AR and only shot people who attacked him. Once the threats were neutralized, he didn't shoot anymore and he kept walking. You can even see in the vide one guy puts his hands up and Kyle has his gun pointed at him and then Kyle lowers it and doesn't shoot him because he has his hands up. Kyle actually showed great gun training. The big issue is if you agree with bringing guns to a protest or not. It's either allowed for all protestors or none. You can't pick and choose and say, "It's ok for the Panthers to protest with assault rifles but not for Kyle to do it." This would be bias.

 

[TomC]

Why was it OK for the black Panthers to bring assault rifles and march into the capitol building?

Say what?!?

Are we talking about the USA Capitol Building? Any time in the 21st century?
And who said it was "OK"?

WTF?
Tom