Austria plans compulsory Covid vaccinations for all

[TomC]

So yeah, it's a failed analogy in that sense. It's hard to think of anything heinous enough to draw an analogy to what right wing extremists and conspiracy theorists have wrought upon us.

I'm sure the outsized deaths in those groups will bring you some comfort.

Schadenfreude is not the same as comfort.

But yeah. Irresponsible people have been causing a lot of trouble for the rest of us. I feel something different when an antivaxxer celebrity suffers or dies, than when most people do.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Ordinarily, I would defer to an expert in the provision of meaningless sentences, but you are mistaken. Perhaps if you point to the words you don't understand, you can be educated.

Your sentence is meaningless because I don't have to name any people or impute any thoughts to them for what I've said to be true.

Well, if you want anyone to accept your claims as true, you do.

Well there are people who actually learn from experience and change their minds.

Yes. That's why people tend to leave the left as they grow older.

You do seem to have some fixation about "the left". I have found that most people who fixate on "the left" or "the right" are unable to think outside of their small-minded narrow viewpoint.

It is obvious you care more about some abstract vision of "civil liberty" than the health and welfare of the Austrian people.

It is precisely the health and welfare of the Austrian people that I am thinking about.

Sure Jan. Keep telling yourself that.

 

[Metaphor]

Sure Jan. Keep telling yourself that.

I don't need to. I know my own mind.

 

[laughing dog]

Sure Jan. Keep telling yourself that.

I don't need to. I know my own mind.

Your sentence is meaningless.

 

[Metaphor]

Your sentence is meaningless.

Sure Jan.

 

[laughing dog]

Your sentence is meaningless.

Sure Jan.

If you are serious, then maybe you will avoid such meaninglessness in the future.

If that is sarcasm, it is ironically meaningless as well.

 

[Rhea]

If you do not see fear as one of the drivers of government policies around COVID--policies that began, in early 2020, with encouraging certain activities, but now include locking down entire countries and forcing vaccinations on adults, all I can say is we clearly have very different perceptions of the world.

I am sure there are some people who would support anything. That isn't the point. The point is the number of people who would not have considered forced vaccinations under any circumstances in 2020 are now not only indifferent to the possibility, some are expressing support for it.

I feel as if I should be more suspicious and not less, frankly. When Toni proposed indefinite house arrest for the unvaccinated, I recall clarifying that even the most ardent supporters of a vaccine mandate were not proposing physically enforced vaccinations.

And, all it took was a month or two, and people are supporting that, too.

Metaphor keeps making these statement about how “these physically forced vaccinations holding people down to gie them shots agains their will were unthinkable before and now look at the tyranny!” (Parahrased)

And yet,

The health minister said the government felt confident a law could be drawn up within the bounds of the Constitution, citing a previous national mandate for smallpox that was passed in 1948.

Metaphor ignores that
1. This is certainly not the first time Humanity has been faced with forcing pugnacious people to stop risking others, and
2. I don’t think they are talking about “physically forcing” anything. All the articles point to a lockdown for those who refuse to protect society. That is not the same as “forcing a medical procedure on people.” As Metaphor certainly knows. The “mandate” is that if you want to go out in society, you can’t be a danger to society.

I’m not sure why someone would want to make claims about the mandate that are not accurate to what the mandate contains, and make claims about history that are not accurate to what history contains. But here we are.

 

[Metaphor]

Metaphor ignores that
1. This is certainly not the first time Humanity has been faced with forcing pugnacious people to stop risking others, and

Non. That something has happened before in history does not mean that people in general in 2020 thought that adults should have medical procedures forced on them. Historically, most people accepted slavery as the natural order and not immoral. That does not mean that most people in 2020 thought that.

2. I don’t think they are talking about “physically forcing” anything. All the articles point to a lockdown for those who refuse to protect society.

Non. The article is talking about getting vaccinated by law, and being fined if you are not vaccinated. The lockdown in Austria is in force for everyone, vaccinated or not.

That is not the same as “forcing a medical procedure on people.” As Metaphor certainly knows. The “mandate” is that if you want to go out in society, you can’t be a danger to society.

Austria has not proposed kidnapping people and forcibly injecting them. Yet.

I’m not sure why someone would want to make claims about the mandate that are not accurate to what the mandate contains, and make claims about history that are not accurate to what history contains. But here we are.

I made no such claims and you need to read my posts more carefully.