Covid-19 miscellany

[Elixir]

Yeah, I realise you are fond of dehumanisation

Oh, poor dehumanized freedumb fans.
No sympathy for the hundreds of thousands of dead people they sickened, and will continue to sicken and kill, with help from loudmouth right wing extremists and their useful conspiracy minded fools.
But oh, the feelings that I’m hurting by calling people out for serving as plague rats. THAT is what is important to the enabler class.

And you forgot to address my actual post. As usual.

 

[crazyfingers]

Yeah, that is just lazy reading on your part.

No it isn't.
I'm opposed to a government mandate for vaccination. I'm vaccinated. I want enough people to get vaccinated to reach herd immunity.

I don't want a government mandated vaccination. Because I believe the side effects would be worse than the many other possible options.
Tom

So two years+ isn’t a long enough pandemic for you.

I think Tom is saying than a prolonged pandemic partly due to a portion of the population refusing vaccination is very bad.

He also belived than mandating vaccination increases the chances of a total Trump and crazy undemocratice/authoritarian takeover.

Which is less bad? He believed things are so desperate that mandating vaccination will cause a total Trump and crazy right wing takeover.

I can understand that balance of terror.

My question is how many unvaccinated people will change their vote and vote for authoritarian Trumpers if they are required to vax. Or would they mostly vote trump anyway.

The key is whether mandating vaxines will actually change the proportion of people who would throw out democracy over being required to vaccinate. I question whether requirig vaccines will shift that much. Most of those who refuse vaccination will vote for Trump anyway.

And the minority groups who resist vaccination due to past government experimentation on them, would they really vote for Trump or sit it out or vote Biden and Democrat anyway because the racist right is so much worse?

I don't know the answers. But it's an interestimg way to look at things.

If one causes the other, what's worse? Prolonged pandemic or Trump and his followers taking power?

 

[Toni]

Yeah, that is just lazy reading on your part.

No it isn't.
I'm opposed to a government mandate for vaccination. I'm vaccinated. I want enough people to get vaccinated to reach herd immunity.

I don't want a government mandated vaccination. Because I believe the side effects would be worse than the many other possible options.
Tom

So two years+ isn’t a long enough pandemic for you.

I think Tom is saying than a prolonged pandemic partly due to a portion of the population refusing vaccination is very bad.

He also belived than mandating vaccination increases the chances of a total Trump and crazy undemocratice/authoritarian takeover.

Which is less bad? He believed things are so desperate that mandating vaccination will cause a total Trump and crazy right wing takeover.

I can understand that balance of terror.

My question is how many unvaccinated people will change their vote and vote for authoritarian Trumpers if they are required to vax. Or would they mostly vote trump anyway.

The key is whether mandating vaxines will actually change the proportion of people who would throw out democracy over being required to vaccinate. I question whether requirig vaccines will shift that much. Most of those who refuse vaccination will vote for Trump anyway.

And the minority groups who resist vaccination due to past government experimentation on them, would they really vote for Trump or sit it out or vote Biden and Democrat anyway because the racist right is so much worse?

I don't know the answers. But it's an interestimg way to look at things.

If one causes the other, what's worse? Prolonged pandemic or Trump and his followers taking power?

The thing is, all of the COVID misinformation is designed to prolong the pandemic and to undermine the Democratic Party/agenda as a domestic goal but I also believe that the bigger origins of the very orchestrated campaign of disinformation originate overseas. And that it isn’t just the United States that is to sink.

So yes, there is a great deal at risk.

 

[crazyfingers]

Yeah, that is just lazy reading on your part.

No it isn't.
I'm opposed to a government mandate for vaccination. I'm vaccinated. I want enough people to get vaccinated to reach herd immunity.

I don't want a government mandated vaccination. Because I believe the side effects would be worse than the many other possible options.
Tom

So two years+ isn’t a long enough pandemic for you.

I think Tom is saying than a prolonged pandemic partly due to a portion of the population refusing vaccination is very bad.

He also belived than mandating vaccination increases the chances of a total Trump and crazy undemocratice/authoritarian takeover.

Which is less bad? He believed things are so desperate that mandating vaccination will cause a total Trump and crazy right wing takeover.

I can understand that balance of terror.

My question is how many unvaccinated people will change their vote and vote for authoritarian Trumpers if they are required to vax. Or would they mostly vote trump anyway.

The key is whether mandating vaxines will actually change the proportion of people who would throw out democracy over being required to vaccinate. I question whether requirig vaccines will shift that much. Most of those who refuse vaccination will vote for Trump anyway.

And the minority groups who resist vaccination due to past government experimentation on them, would they really vote for Trump or sit it out or vote Biden and Democrat anyway because the racist right is so much worse?

I don't know the answers. But it's an interestimg way to look at things.

If one causes the other, what's worse? Prolonged pandemic or Trump and his followers taking power?

The thing is, all of the COVID misinformation is designed to prolong the pandemic and to undermine the Democratic Party/agenda as a domestic goal but I also believe that the bigger origins of the very orchestrated campaign of disinformation originate overseas. And that it isn’t just the United States that is to sink.

So yes, there is a great deal at risk.

Yes. It sure looks like the crazy racist right is prolonging the pandemic through lies in order to blame democrats and take power.

If that isn't their plan I'd be surprised. They are killing people, especially their own voters, to take power.

 

[Toni]

Yeah, that is just lazy reading on your part.

No it isn't.
I'm opposed to a government mandate for vaccination. I'm vaccinated. I want enough people to get vaccinated to reach herd immunity.

I don't want a government mandated vaccination. Because I believe the side effects would be worse than the many other possible options.
Tom

So two years+ isn’t a long enough pandemic for you.

I think Tom is saying than a prolonged pandemic partly due to a portion of the population refusing vaccination is very bad.

He also belived than mandating vaccination increases the chances of a total Trump and crazy undemocratice/authoritarian takeover.

Which is less bad? He believed things are so desperate that mandating vaccination will cause a total Trump and crazy right wing takeover.

I can understand that balance of terror.

My question is how many unvaccinated people will change their vote and vote for authoritarian Trumpers if they are required to vax. Or would they mostly vote trump anyway.

The key is whether mandating vaxines will actually change the proportion of people who would throw out democracy over being required to vaccinate. I question whether requirig vaccines will shift that much. Most of those who refuse vaccination will vote for Trump anyway.

And the minority groups who resist vaccination due to past government experimentation on them, would they really vote for Trump or sit it out or vote Biden and Democrat anyway because the racist right is so much worse?

I don't know the answers. But it's an interestimg way to look at things.

If one causes the other, what's worse? Prolonged pandemic or Trump and his followers taking power?

The thing is, all of the COVID misinformation is designed to prolong the pandemic and to undermine the Democratic Party/agenda as a domestic goal but I also believe that the bigger origins of the very orchestrated campaign of disinformation originate overseas. And that it isn’t just the United States that is to sink.

So yes, there is a great deal at risk.

Yes. It sure looks like the crazy racist right is prolonging the pandemic through lies in order to blame democrats and take power.

If that isn't their plan I'd be surprised. They are killing people, especially their own voters, to take power.

But I don’t think that the idea originated there. Or ends there.

I realize that sounds like a bunch of crazy talk—andI hope that it is.

But I don’t think Trump back in power is the end game. I think Trump is a useful fool in someone else’s game. White (make) power is only the end game for the racists. I think that there are those who are happy to see the US as democracy fail and that would only be one of the dominoes.

 

[repoman]

There is one thing about these U.S. approved vaccines which are admittedly new. They have no aluminum inside unlike many of the other vaccines that we all take. That is a good thing.

The use of aluminum as an adjuvant, hopefully is safe. But it seems like the placebo arm for the trials of many aluminum containing vaccines ALSO has the aluminum included. Not having as close to saline as possible for the placebo is nearly criminal in intent.

Makes me wonder what "inactive" ingredients were included in the placebo the US covid vaccines.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

From the UK;

The number of patients being admitted to intensive care units for Covid in England, Wales and Northern Ireland fell to as little as two in one day last month, according to data from the Care National Audit and Research Centre.

Daily Mail

The lifting of restrictions is long overdue.

In other words, the other days were higher. Probably a lot higher.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Why is this person tilting at windmills? The Johns Hopkins paper did not consider the effect of face mask wearing (which is not a lockdown). Why would the paper make conclusions about face mask wearing?

Even if this author sarcastically says face mask wearing should have been included and treated as if it were a 'lockdown' because of how the authors defined a lockdown (non-pharmaceutical intervention), clearly neither the authors nor this opinion piece writer thinks face mask wearing is actually a lockdown.

No windmill-tilting involved, while the paper said "lockdown" it was counting all NPI things. Including masks. This is typical quality for the Covid-denier "research" that has been flooding the preprint servers recently.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So those protesting truck drivers are not even typical truck drivers.

But they're typical Q types:



Attempt to trap people in a burning building.

 

[Metaphor]

Why is this person tilting at windmills? The Johns Hopkins paper did not consider the effect of face mask wearing (which is not a lockdown). Why would the paper make conclusions about face mask wearing?

Even if this author sarcastically says face mask wearing should have been included and treated as if it were a 'lockdown' because of how the authors defined a lockdown (non-pharmaceutical intervention), clearly neither the authors nor this opinion piece writer thinks face mask wearing is actually a lockdown.

No windmill-tilting involved, while the paper said "lockdown" it was counting all NPI things. Including masks. This is typical quality for the Covid-denier "research" that has been flooding the preprint servers recently.

No, it wasn't counting them. The fact that it didn't count them is evidence it wasn't counting them.

 

[Trausti]

With an election coming up, looks like the regime gonna do a hard pivot on Covid. It was always political.

 

[Trausti]

Internal Dem polling must be really bad. Imagine if Joe Rogan had said this last week.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I think the Canadian government should just suspend the Canadian equivalent of a CDL license if a licensed driver stops their truck on a public road.
No force required. No infringement on anybody's liberty. People who infringe on other people's freedom and safety just lose the privilege of operating their weaponized vehicle on publicly funded roads.
Tom

Sounds like a good plan. I like it in general as a penalty for using your vehicle for blocking. (Don't just suspend the CDL, suspend the DL for a couple of weeks.)

 

[Trausti]

It's like there was this big Zoom conference when they discussed polling numbers. Now all in unison:

So the cure to Covid wasn't a vaccine, it was polling.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

My question is how many unvaccinated people will change their vote and vote for authoritarian Trumpers if they are required to vax. Or would they mostly vote trump anyway.

The key is whether mandating vaxines will actually change the proportion of people who would throw out democracy over being required to vaccinate. I question whether requirig vaccines will shift that much. Most of those who refuse vaccination will vote for Trump anyway.

And the minority groups who resist vaccination due to past government experimentation on them, would they really vote for Trump or sit it out or vote Biden and Democrat anyway because the racist right is so much worse?

I don't know the answers. But it's an interestimg way to look at things.

If one causes the other, what's worse? Prolonged pandemic or Trump and his followers taking power?

I think he has a point. I'm thinking of an unvaxxed person I know (subject to mandate but her employer accepted a religious exemption) that I do not think is a trumper but I'm not sure.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There is one thing about these U.S. approved vaccines which are admittedly new. They have no aluminum inside unlike many of the other vaccines that we all take. That is a good thing.

The use of aluminum as an adjuvant, hopefully is safe. But it seems like the placebo arm for the trials of many aluminum containing vaccines ALSO has the aluminum included. Not having as close to saline as possible for the placebo is nearly criminal in intent.

Makes me wonder what "inactive" ingredients were included in the placebo the US covid vaccines.

What difference would it make? It's only tens of thousands that even were in the trials.

We all get aluminum in our diets. The tiny amount in a vaccine isn't going to amount to anything.

 

[Trausti]

Such a fucking farce.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Why is this person tilting at windmills? The Johns Hopkins paper did not consider the effect of face mask wearing (which is not a lockdown). Why would the paper make conclusions about face mask wearing?

Even if this author sarcastically says face mask wearing should have been included and treated as if it were a 'lockdown' because of how the authors defined a lockdown (non-pharmaceutical intervention), clearly neither the authors nor this opinion piece writer thinks face mask wearing is actually a lockdown.

No windmill-tilting involved, while the paper said "lockdown" it was counting all NPI things. Including masks. This is typical quality for the Covid-denier "research" that has been flooding the preprint servers recently.

No, it wasn't counting them. The fact that it didn't count them is evidence it wasn't counting them.

I suggest looking more carefully.

 

[repoman]

There is one thing about these U.S. approved vaccines which are admittedly new. They have no aluminum inside unlike many of the other vaccines that we all take. That is a good thing.

The use of aluminum as an adjuvant, hopefully is safe. But it seems like the placebo arm for the trials of many aluminum containing vaccines ALSO has the aluminum included. Not having as close to saline as possible for the placebo is nearly criminal in intent.

Makes me wonder what "inactive" ingredients were included in the placebo the US covid vaccines.

What difference would it make? It's only tens of thousands that even were in the trials.

We all get aluminum in our diets. The tiny amount in a vaccine isn't going to amount to anything.

I looked for all three US covid vaccine placebos and they were all saline. Again, there is no aluminum in those vaccines to begin with.

In fact it seems like a bit of a low key scandal that some of the Gardasil placebos were more than saline, which is a good sign for that not being common:

Adjuvant-containing control arms in pivotal quadrivalent human papillomavirus vaccine trials: restoration of previously unpublished methodology

In the BMJ.

 

[blastula]

Trudeau, a virtue signaling horse’s ass.

Good for him for calling out this breakdown in civil order. Even Doug Ford agrees.

Doug Ford issues statement condemning ‘symbols of hate’ at Ottawa protest | Globalnews.ca

'I was extremely disturbed ... to see some individuals desecrate our most sacred monuments and wave swastikas and other symbols of hate and intolerance this weekend.'

globalnews.ca

“The right to peaceful protest is core to our Canadian identity,” Ford said in the statement issued Monday.

“I was extremely disturbed, however, to see some individuals desecrate our most sacred monuments and wave swastikas and other symbols of hate and intolerance this weekend. That has no place in Ontario or Canada. Not now. Not ever.”

War statue 'urinated on by anti-vaxxers' as Canadian police launch investigation

A ‘freedom convoy’ faced criticism for dancing on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and using the statue of national hero Terry Fox to display an anti-vaccine statement.

metro.co.uk

War memorial ‘urinated on by anti-vaxxers’ as Canadian police launch investigation.

Majority of Ottawa residents oppose 'Freedom Convoy' protest, poll finds

A significant majority of residents in Ottawa are opposed to the "Freedom Convoy" protest against public health measures, according to the results of a new poll, and nearly nine out of ten say it's time to go home.

beta.ctvnews.ca

two-thirds of respondents are opposed to the convoy and 22 per cent support it.

Almost nine-in-10 residents said it's time for protesters to leave.

respondents to the Abacus Data poll were largely in favour of keeping mandates in place, with 67 per cent saying we need to keep restrictions in place to protect public health.