Snowflakes in action: the actual reality of "snowflakes" in the world and the consequences

[Toni]

The USDA has a long history of discrimination against black farmers.

I am addressing laughing dog's false statement.

White farmers can still apply for debt relief.

White farmers were specifically excluded from this program. In fact, it was found to be unconstitutional.

I don't know why you and laughing dog have such a hard time admitting this: presumably you approve of white farmers being excluded. So why the need to spread false statements about what is happening?

ever heard of, um, reparations?
affirmative action?

He’s against such things. Because we’re ‘all equal now’ and the past centuries of discrimination have not affected any minorities who are alive today and no discrimination exists today except against white men and maybe Asians as there still exists some who do not believe that to be Asian is to be gifted in every way imaginable I.e. math and music.

 

[Trausti]

There are in the investigation into the upswing in violence after the George Floyd tragedy. Yet you and Trausti cling to a monocausal theory, and reject any possible confounding factors.

Would be interested in your confounding factor for the sudden spike in homicide right after May 25, 2020.

 

[laughing dog]

There are in the investigation into the upswing in violence after the George Floyd tragedy. Yet you and Trausti cling to a monocausal theory, and reject any possible confounding factors.

Would be interested in your confounding factor for the sudden spike in homicide right after May 25, 2020.

Why would you think there is only one? Is it possible that a combination of pent-up anger at the police, covid-induced fear and anxiety, police pull-back of service (something you and LP have claimed), the ease of obtaining fire-arms, and any other factors might explain this up tick?


BTW, congratulations on picking a particular day when your data did not start on that day - it confirms your confirmation bias.

 

[Trausti]

There are in the investigation into the upswing in violence after the George Floyd tragedy. Yet you and Trausti cling to a monocausal theory, and reject any possible confounding factors.

Would be interested in your confounding factor for the sudden spike in homicide right after May 25, 2020.

Why would you think there is only one? Is it possible that a combination of pent-up anger at the police, covid-induced fear and anxiety, police pull-back of service (something you and LP have claimed), the ease of obtaining fire-arms, and any other factors might explain this up tick?


BTW, congratulations on picking a particular day when your data did not start on that day - it confirms your confirmation bias.

We know Covid had nothing to do with it. The news before May 25 was that crime was down in the pandemic. Which is not surprising, crime was down during the Great Recession. And the rest of the world did not experience a homicide spike in the global pandemic. The homicide spike was centered on those cities where BLM was most active. Other than police pull back and criminal exuberance that the establishment was shitting on law enforcement, what other factors do you have?

 

[Elixir]

Your chart on wealth inexplicably excluded Asians. Why? We know why.

Because most Asian Americans are not descended from generations of Asian slaves held by White Americans.

Granted, there were a LOT of Chinese immigrants brought into the Country as indentured servants, and were forced to work in horrid and dangerous conditions. (The history of the property I had in Boulder County is full of tales of "Chinamen" being sent into mines with explosives and getting killed in the explosions. I read that there was a fixed fine of fifty cents for killing a "Chinaman".)

But that was not nearly the millions of people who were brought to America in chains, and whose descendents now comprise the majority of black Americans. Americans enslaved a population of black Africans for generations. Suddenly their "owners" were forced kicking and screaming to set them free.

Only a moron could possibly think that a few generations later, that population would be on equal economic footing with the descendents of their ancestors' "owners".

Frankly, it's shameful to have to explain this to you.

 

[Trausti]

Your chart on wealth inexplicably excluded Asians. Why? We know why.

Because most Asian Americans are not descended from generations of Asian slaves held by White Americans.

Granted, there were a LOT of Chinese immigrants brought into the Country as indentured servants, and were forced to work in horrid and dangerous conditions. (The history of the property I had in Boulder County is full of tales of "Chinamen" being sent into mines with explosives and getting killed in the explosions. I read that there was a fixed fine of fifty cents for killing a "Chinaman".)

But that was not nearly the millions of people who were brought to America in chains, and whose descendents now comprise the majority of black Americans. Americans enslaved a population of black Africans for generations. Suddenly their "owners" were forced kicking and screaming to set them free.

Only a moron could possibly think that a few generations later, that population would be on equal economic footing with the descendents of their ancestors' "owners".

Frankly, it's shameful to have to explain this to you.

Damn, the generational wealth canard just won’t die.

 

[Rhea]

It shouldn't, since it is not a canard.

 

[Toni]

It shouldn't, since it is not a canard.

It’s no canard but it’s not the only reason that African Americans descended from enslaved people or Native Americans or Hispanic people ( including those whose families have lived in what is now the US since before there was a US) still lag in terms of wealth and education.

There were plenty of laws on the books that ensured that not white people always knew their place and that place was well behind the poorest white person around. It kept the colored folks down and pacified the poor whites who could at least know that however rich they might not be, at least they were white.

 

[laughing dog]

There are in the investigation into the upswing in violence after the George Floyd tragedy. Yet you and Trausti cling to a monocausal theory, and reject any possible confounding factors.

Would be interested in your confounding factor for the sudden spike in homicide right after May 25, 2020.

Why would you think there is only one? Is it possible that a combination of pent-up anger at the police, covid-induced fear and anxiety, police pull-back of service (something you and LP have claimed), the ease of obtaining fire-arms, and any other factors might explain this up tick?


BTW, congratulations on picking a particular day when your data did not start on that day - it confirms your confirmation bias.

We know Covid had nothing to do with it.

Try reading what I wrote without thinking that each possible influence acts independently - that they may possibly magnify each other.

Also, instead of confusing correlation with causation, explain how the George Floyd tragedy CAUSED the increase in violence all by itself.

 

[Hermit]

You do not say what causes the 2:1 ratio, you only point out that part of the chart doesn’t identify racism.

We don't know what causes the rest of it. You're working from a standpoint that racism is assumed and the burden of proof is on us to show otherwise--but your side is the one making the claim, you have the burden of proof. The chart was presented as supposed evidence--but we can clearly see that one of the numbers is cultural in origin. If one number isn't racism how can it be taken as evidence the others are??

I provided evidence of racism in this post.

Asians don't exist.

Yes. To the same degree that Africans don't exist.

Your point escapes me, though, especially since there is no mention of Asians in anything you quoted.

Your chart on wealth inexplicably excluded Asians. Why? We know why.

Well, at least we know why you're pointing out that Asians have been included in "All other". It's the "Asians earn more than non-Hispanic whites, therefore the poverty of blacks can't be down to racism" mantra again, right? As I mentioned earlier, it belongs to the same family of arguments as saying "We elected a Kenyan Negro as our nations leader twice, for crying out loud. Therefore no racism." and "I'm no racist. One of my best friends is a Jew."

There is a crucial difference between the Asian-American and Afro-American segments of the US population. 78% of Asian-Americans are foreign born, and they brought money with them. They tend to be former members of the financially better off sector in the countries they came from. Also, better educated and better qualified as well as experienced in the professional class of jobs. The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services are very selective about who they let into the country and become citizens.

None of this selectivity applies to Afro-Americans. At least not to the 88% of those who were born in the US. Their ancestors were brought in as slaves and treated like property to be exploited any which way whites desired. Sure, slavery was abolished in 1865, but the change was formal rather than real. In practice, Negroes continued to be treated like slaves and regarded as an inferior race. This was aided by the Jim Crow laws for the century following the civil war, and again, their abolition in 1965 made for only very slow and limited improvements for the black population. The explicitly stated discrimination in the housing market documented in the first eight and a half minutes of this video, for instance, disappeared, but in practice Blacks keep being told in no uncertain terms that their presence is not welcome at all in the genteel or more salubrious overwhelmingly white suburbs. The method is informal, but almost as effective as if it were backed by laws.

So, no, you can't say the treatment of Afro-Americans is not racist because the average household in come of Asian-Americans is higher than that of non-Hispanic Whites. You can't even say that Asian-Americans are not discriminated against. Unlike Afro-Americans they earn more because they have been specifically filtered by the US immigration department. That is why they earn more despite the racism they face.

 

[Trausti]

It shouldn't, since it is not a canard.

It's not true. Few people get any monetary inheritance and of those who do very few get a substantial inheritance. The most important thing that's inherited are cognitive and behavior traits. Even the Communists couldn't stop that.

 

[Trausti]

Also, instead of confusing correlation with causation, explain how the George Floyd tragedy CAUSED the increase in violence all by itself.

When cops pull back from active policing, the criminals are gonna do what they do. This isn't really hard, dude.

 

[Trausti]

Well, at least we know why you're pointing out that Asians have been included in "All other". It's the "Asians earn more than non-Hispanic whites, therefore the poverty of blacks can't be down to racism" mantra again, right? As I mentioned earlier, it belongs to the same family of arguments as saying "We elected a Kenyan Negro as our nations leader twice, for crying out loud. Therefore no racism." and "I'm no racist. One of my best friends is a Jew."

Are you assuming that Asians are coming to the US with trunks of cash? Are you aware that many first-generation Asians are low income / in poverty? Yet their children, that second generation, excel. Why?

 

[Hermit]

Well, at least we know why you're pointing out that Asians have been included in "All other". It's the "Asians earn more than non-Hispanic whites, therefore the poverty of blacks can't be down to racism" mantra again, right? As I mentioned earlier, it belongs to the same family of arguments as saying "We elected a Kenyan Negro as our nations leader twice, for crying out loud. Therefore no racism." and "I'm no racist. One of my best friends is a Jew."

Are you assuming that Asians are coming to the US with trunks of cash? Are you aware that many first-generation Asians are low income / in poverty? Yet their children, that second generation, excel. Why?

As if I said "Asians are coming to the US with trunks of cash". Read what I actually wrote instead, which was:

There is a crucial difference between the Asian-American and Afro-American segments of the US population. 78% of Asian-Americans are foreign born, and they brought money with them. They tend to be former members of the financially better off sector in the countries they came from. Also, better educated and better qualified as well as experienced in the professional class of jobs. The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services are very selective about who they let into the country and become citizens.

None of this selectivity applies to Afro-Americans. At least not to the 88% of those who were born in the US.

Then look up what the requirements for being granted the Green Card are. Rice padi farmers from Bangladesh need not apply.

 

[Trausti]

Well, at least we know why you're pointing out that Asians have been included in "All other". It's the "Asians earn more than non-Hispanic whites, therefore the poverty of blacks can't be down to racism" mantra again, right? As I mentioned earlier, it belongs to the same family of arguments as saying "We elected a Kenyan Negro as our nations leader twice, for crying out loud. Therefore no racism." and "I'm no racist. One of my best friends is a Jew."

Are you assuming that Asians are coming to the US with trunks of cash? Are you aware that many first-generation Asians are low income / in poverty? Yet their children, that second generation, excel. Why?

As if I said "Asians are coming to the US with trunks of cash". Read what I actually wrote instead, which was:

There is a crucial difference between the Asian-American and Afro-American segments of the US population. 78% of Asian-Americans are foreign born, and they brought money with them. They tend to be former members of the financially better off sector in the countries they came from. Also, better educated and better qualified as well as experienced in the professional class of jobs. The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services are very selective about who they let into the country and become citizens.

None of this selectivity applies to Afro-Americans. At least not to the 88% of those who were born in the US.

Then look up what the requirements for being granted the Green Card are. Rice padi farmers from Bangladesh need not apply.

But you're still making an assumption that generational inherited wealth matters. These Asian immigrants show that it clearly does not.

 

[laughing dog]

Also, instead of confusing correlation with causation, explain how the George Floyd tragedy CAUSED the increase in violence all by itself.

When cops pull back from active policing, the criminals are gonna do what they do. This isn't really hard, dude.

It appears that the police not doing their jobs induces people to commit more murders.
If that is the case, how can you blame it on the George Floyd tragedy? After all, it is not the job of the police to kill people in custody.

 

[Trausti]

Also, instead of confusing correlation with causation, explain how the George Floyd tragedy CAUSED the increase in violence all by itself.

When cops pull back from active policing, the criminals are gonna do what they do. This isn't really hard, dude.

It appears that the police not doing their jobs induces people to commit more murders.
If that is the case, how can you blame it on the George Floyd tragedy? After all, it is not the job of the police to kill people in custody.

Sure, when the establishment - politicians, media, celebrities - join the BLM message that All Cops Are Bastards, cops pull back. What a surprise!

 

[Hermit]

Well, at least we know why you're pointing out that Asians have been included in "All other". It's the "Asians earn more than non-Hispanic whites, therefore the poverty of blacks can't be down to racism" mantra again, right? As I mentioned earlier, it belongs to the same family of arguments as saying "We elected a Kenyan Negro as our nations leader twice, for crying out loud. Therefore no racism." and "I'm no racist. One of my best friends is a Jew."

Are you assuming that Asians are coming to the US with trunks of cash? Are you aware that many first-generation Asians are low income / in poverty? Yet their children, that second generation, excel. Why?

As if I said "Asians are coming to the US with trunks of cash". Read what I actually wrote instead, which was:

There is a crucial difference between the Asian-American and Afro-American segments of the US population. 78% of Asian-Americans are foreign born, and they brought money with them. They tend to be former members of the financially better off sector in the countries they came from. Also, better educated and better qualified as well as experienced in the professional class of jobs. The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services are very selective about who they let into the country and become citizens.

None of this selectivity applies to Afro-Americans. At least not to the 88% of those who were born in the US.

Then look up what the requirements for being granted the Green Card are. Rice padi farmers from Bangladesh need not apply.

But you're still making an assumption that generational inherited wealth matters. These Asian immigrants show that it clearly does not.

Oh. The goalposts have moved.

The empirical fact is that right now the mean amount of wealth of Afro-American households amounts to one tenth of the wealth of non-Hispanic White households. I said nothing about the mean amount of wealth of Asian-American households for the simple reason that I could not find the relevant data. You have not provided any either, so I really don't know on what basis you claim that Asian immigrants show that generational inherited wealth does not matter.

 

[laughing dog]

Also, instead of confusing correlation with causation, explain how the George Floyd tragedy CAUSED the increase in violence all by itself.

When cops pull back from active policing, the criminals are gonna do what they do. This isn't really hard, dude.

It appears that the police not doing their jobs induces people to commit more murders.
If that is the case, how can you blame it on the George Floyd tragedy? After all, it is not the job of the police to kill people in custody.

Sure, when the establishment - politicians, media, celebrities - join the BLM message that All Cops Are Bastards, cops pull back. What a surprise!

You are not making any sense. You are claiming that the police are not doing their jobs and that induces more murders. That is simply confusing correlation with causation.

But if your argument is valid (which I do not think so), then clearly the reason there are more murders is due to the police not doing their jobs.

 

[Trausti]

Well, at least we know why you're pointing out that Asians have been included in "All other". It's the "Asians earn more than non-Hispanic whites, therefore the poverty of blacks can't be down to racism" mantra again, right? As I mentioned earlier, it belongs to the same family of arguments as saying "We elected a Kenyan Negro as our nations leader twice, for crying out loud. Therefore no racism." and "I'm no racist. One of my best friends is a Jew."

Are you assuming that Asians are coming to the US with trunks of cash? Are you aware that many first-generation Asians are low income / in poverty? Yet their children, that second generation, excel. Why?

As if I said "Asians are coming to the US with trunks of cash". Read what I actually wrote instead, which was:

There is a crucial difference between the Asian-American and Afro-American segments of the US population. 78% of Asian-Americans are foreign born, and they brought money with them. They tend to be former members of the financially better off sector in the countries they came from. Also, better educated and better qualified as well as experienced in the professional class of jobs. The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services are very selective about who they let into the country and become citizens.

None of this selectivity applies to Afro-Americans. At least not to the 88% of those who were born in the US.

Then look up what the requirements for being granted the Green Card are. Rice padi farmers from Bangladesh need not apply.

But you're still making an assumption that generational inherited wealth matters. These Asian immigrants show that it clearly does not.

Oh. The goalposts have moved.

The empirical fact is that right now the mean amount of wealth of Afro-American households amounts to one tenth of the wealth of non-Hispanic White households. I said nothing about the mean amount of wealth of Asian-American households for the simple reason that I could not find the relevant data. You have not provided any either, so I really don't know on what basis you claim that Asian immigrants show that generational inherited wealth does not matter.

Dude, how many people do you think get a sizable inheritance, if any at all? And how many people are able to keep that wealth without frittering it away before the next generation? Put it to bed, man.