Five Race Issues in the US That Need to be Acknowledged.

[Nice Squirrel]

http://www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/2014/12/04/five-race-issues-everyone-needs-to-acknowledge/35302

This list is not exhaustive, but if we expect to move forward as a country, here are five issues about race in America we need to acknowledge.

1. America has a prison problem, and race has a lot to do with it.
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2. America has a police brutality problem, and race has a lot to do with it.
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3. America has a racism ignorance problem.
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4. America embraces the myth of “black-on-black crime.”
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5. America embraces the myth of “black rioting.”

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I'd tie all of those to the drug war.

 

[ksen]

I'd tie all of those to the drug war.

No. 1 for sure, not sure about the rest though.

 

[untermensche]

I'd tie all of those to the drug war.

The drug war is just a tactic.

It takes people out of the economy who are superfluous to an economy built around speculation that has outsourced production.

It enriches a few in the for-profit prison system.

It extends American power into South and Central America in the name of the drug war.

The last is probably the most important to those who run the government and the main reason the drug war endures despite no success anywhere.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

What is "the myth of black on black crime"?

Are they saying that black people don't do crime to other black people? I don't understand.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What is "the myth of black on black crime"?

Are they saying that black people don't do crime to other black people? I don't understand.

It is because any violence between blacks is ignored. There is not a single organization in the US dedicated to quelling gang violence. Any attempts to limit access to firearms in the city are ridiculed by the left wing. And in general, murders are never reported by the press when blacks are involved, especially the rural local stations relative to big city murders.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

What is "the myth of black on black crime"?

Are they saying that black people don't do crime to other black people? I don't understand.

From the article after quoting statistics:

If black-on-black crime is an epidemic, then so is white-on-white crime and Latino-on-Latino crime. It is a fact and a reflection of our highly segregated society that the majority of murders in America are intra-racial.

Drop this myth. Stop this ridiculous narrative that black Americans are somehow more violent or more destructive than other races. It is a false, baseless, offensive, and destructive notion.

 

[Sarpedon]

I'd tie all of those to the drug war.

Too simple. The scary image of the black drug user was used to sell the drug war. AND crack is worth more prison time than cocaine, etc.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'd tie all of those to the drug war.

Too simple. The scary image of the black drug user was used to sell the drug war. AND crack is worth more prison time than cocaine, etc.

Meanwhile marijauna is getting legalized by Whites.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'd tie all of those to the drug war.

Seconded. These aren't race problems, they are drug war problems.

 

[Derec]

Too simple. The scary image of the black drug user was used to sell the drug war. AND crack is worth more prison time than cocaine, etc.

Meanwhile marijauna is getting legalized by Whites.

Some people find the way to racialize marijuana legalization as well.

 

[Derec]

From the article after quoting statistics:

Actually they are lying with statistics to achieve a bogus conclusion.

If black-on-black crime is an epidemic, then so is white-on-white crime and Latino-on-Latino crime. It is a fact and a reflection of our highly segregated society that the majority of murders in America are intra-racial.

Vast majority of murders are intraracial (similar percentage for blacks and whites) look at this table. The absolute numbers for black-on-black and white-on-white murders are about equal. However, since there are 5.2 times as many non-hispanic whites as there are non-hispanic blacks, the rate of black-on-black murders is 5 times higher than the rate of white-on-white murders, making the former a much bigger problem obviously.

Drop this myth. Stop this ridiculous narrative that black Americans are somehow more violent or more destructive than other races. It is a false, baseless, offensive, and destructive notion.

Nonsense. It's not a myth, it's evident from crime data. Just because the statistics he chose to include measures something else doesn't mean it's a myth.

 

[laughing dog]

Nonsense. It's not a myth, it's evident from crime data. Just because the statistics he chose to include measures something else doesn't mean it's a myth.

If assuming the crime data shows what you claim, it is only a partial picture. Violence includes wars, and white people have a pretty big edge in killing white people in huge numbers (WWII and WWI come to mind, as does Stalin's killing of kulaks). So, yeah, it is a myth that black people are more violent than white people.

 

[Derec]

Nonsense. It's not a myth, it's evident from crime data. Just because the statistics he chose to include measures something else doesn't mean it's a myth.

If assuming the crime data shows what you claim, it is only a partial picture. Violence includes wars, and white people have a pretty big edge in killing white people in huge numbers (WWII and WWI come to mind, as does Stalin's killing of kulaks). So, yeah, it is a myth that black people are more violent than white people.

I am not saying that blacks are somehow inherently more violent. However, it is definitely not a myth that black-on-black violence is a much bigger problem in present day US than white-on-white crime. And sticking one's head in the sand and calling it a "myth" will bot improve the issue anytime soon.

As to warfare, African societies engaged in their fair share of wars, and of course many blacks participated in the World Wars. It has, however, nothing to do with murders in present day US.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

If assuming the crime data shows what you claim, it is only a partial picture. Violence includes wars, and white people have a pretty big edge in killing white people in huge numbers (WWII and WWI come to mind, as does Stalin's killing of kulaks). So, yeah, it is a myth that black people are more violent than white people.

I am not saying that blacks are somehow inherently more violent. However, it is definitely not a myth that black-on-black violence is a much bigger problem in present day US than white-on-white crime. And sticking one's head in the sand and calling it a "myth" will bot improve the issue anytime soon.

As to warfare, African societies engaged in their fair share of wars, and of course many blacks participated in the World Wars. It has, however, nothing to do with murders in present day US.

How do you count white on white crime Derec? Does the Madoff scandal count? And the school shootings? What about environmental crimes that poison thousands?

I with a gun can rob you of the money on you and possibly your life. I with a computer can rob you along with thousands, even millions and take away all your futures and the futures of generations to come.

 

[laughing dog]

If assuming the crime data shows what you claim, it is only a partial picture. Violence includes wars, and white people have a pretty big edge in killing white people in huge numbers (WWII and WWI come to mind, as does Stalin's killing of kulaks). So, yeah, it is a myth that black people are more violent than white people.

I am not saying that blacks are somehow inherently more violent.

Actually you did. You responded to "Stop this ridiculous narrative that black Americans are somehow more violent or more destructive than other races." with "Nonsense. It's not a myth, it's evident from crime data."

As to warfare, African societies engaged in their fair share of wars, and of course many blacks participated in the World Wars.

Are you seriously claiming that those wars killed and harmed as many people as the wars by white people? As to your comment about blacks participation in the World Wars, they were a tiny fraction of the combatants, so it really was ludicrous to bring it up. Are you really that desperate to denigrate black people?

It has, however, nothing to do with murders in present day US.

No, but it does show the ridiculousness of your cherry-picked "data".

 

[Toni]

If assuming the crime data shows what you claim, it is only a partial picture. Violence includes wars, and white people have a pretty big edge in killing white people in huge numbers (WWII and WWI come to mind, as does Stalin's killing of kulaks). So, yeah, it is a myth that black people are more violent than white people.

I am not saying that blacks are somehow inherently more violent. However, it is definitely not a myth that black-on-black violence is a much bigger problem in present day US than white-on-white crime. And sticking one's head in the sand and calling it a "myth" will bot improve the issue anytime soon.

As to warfare, African societies engaged in their fair share of wars, and of course many blacks participated in the World Wars. It has, however, nothing to do with murders in present day US.

But but but: according to the absolute numbers from your table, the white/white murders and the black/black murders show that more whites are murdered and more whites are the offenders compared with blacks. How can black/black violence be a bigger problem when black/black accounts for a smaller number of homicides?

If you want to say that proportionally speaking, violence takes a bigger toll on blacks than whites, I will agree with you.

Then take a look at the gender differences: males are 9 times more likely to commit murder but are only about 2.5 times as likely to be victims.

 

[Bomb#20]

Actually they are lying with statistics to achieve a bogus conclusion.

That's unlikely. Did you take note of the URL?

"www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/2014/12/04/five-race-issues-everyone-needs-to-acknowledge/35302"

Did you see the general sort of articles they have at www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/? From "10 Things I Wish Everyone Knew About Jesus"...

"10. Jesus rose from the dead.

Not everyone believes this about Jesus, because to believe this is to be a Christian, and not everyone reading this is Christian. But let me offer a kind of “proof,” if you will — even though the only proof was what the disciples saw on Easter Sunday.

The Gospels were written for the early church, and the Gospel writers would certainly not go out of their way to make the apostles — the leaders of the early church, after all — look bad. Nonetheless, notice that the Gospels portray the apostles as abject cowards during the crucifixion: most of them abandon Jesus; one of them, Peter, denies knowing him; and after his death they are depicted as cowering behind closed doors. That’s hardly something that the Gospel writers would make up.

But after the Resurrection, they are utterly transformed. The disciples move from being terrified victims to men and women ready to die for what they believe. Only something dramatic, something visible, something tangible, something real, could affect this kind of change.

Jesus really and truly rose to the dead. For me, that’s the most important thing to know about Jesus."
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Bottom line: Mr. Rashid probably isn't lying. The reason he abuses statistics to achieve a bogus conclusion is most likely because he's accustomed to starting from his faith and then believing any argument he hears or can come up with that reaches his prechosen conclusion must therefore be correct, because he's an idiot.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I am not saying that blacks are somehow inherently more violent. However, it is definitely not a myth that black-on-black violence is a much bigger problem in present day US than white-on-white crime. And sticking one's head in the sand and calling it a "myth" will bot improve the issue anytime soon.

As to warfare, African societies engaged in their fair share of wars, and of course many blacks participated in the World Wars. It has, however, nothing to do with murders in present day US.

But but but: according to the absolute numbers from your table, the white/white murders and the black/black murders show that more whites are murdered and more whites are the offenders compared with blacks. How can black/black violence be a bigger problem when black/black accounts for a smaller number of homicides?

If you want to say that proportionally speaking, violence takes a bigger toll on blacks than whites, I will agree with you.

Then take a look at the gender differences: males are 9 times more likely to commit murder but are only about 2.5 times as likely to be victims.

Reading comprehension fail: He explained why black-on-black violence is more of an issue. What's important is the per-capita rate, not the total number.

 

[Metaphor]

But but but: according to the absolute numbers from your table, the white/white murders and the black/black murders show that more whites are murdered and more whites are the offenders compared with blacks. How can black/black violence be a bigger problem when black/black accounts for a smaller number of homicides?

You can't seriously be trotting out the absolute numbers can you?

Most people in the U.S. who have diabetes are White. Yet, the prevalence for non-Hispanic Whites is 7.6% but the prevalence for non-Hispanic Blacks is 13.2%, meaning Blacks are nearly twice as likely to have diabetes than Whites.

Would you look at the absolute numbers and say 'Whites make up the most diabetes patients. We need to concentrate on White diabetes. It's the bigger problem.'

Of course you wouldn't.

If you want to say that proportionally speaking, violence takes a bigger toll on blacks than whites, I will agree with you.

Well, yes they do. And here's the flipside of that: proportionally speaking, they are more of the violent perpetrators.

It's astonishing that I've heard over and over that 'women of color', compared to White women, are more likely to be the victims of domestic abuse. What's never mentioned is who's doing the abusing. Men of colour.

Why is that never mentioned?