Windows 11

[Loren Pechtel]

Disk space really shouldn't be an issue nowadays. There's a lot of computers out there that are not TPM* equipped though. None of mine have it.

*Trusted Platform Module

Yeah. Other than the TPM issue any machine that doesn't meet these specs isn't worth having in the first place.

I disagree. For a vast majority of things I use my computers for, a quad-core Intel 4790K is more than fast enough, and a current generation i7 processor provides no additional benefit. And that is a fourth generation Core i7 processor. I suspect the same can be said for a vast majority of people who use computers today for personal and work reasons. Heck, a much older Intel E8400 clocked to 4 GHz still works fine for most things people do today. Drawing an arbitrary line at the 8th Generation i7 processor makes no sense, other than to force people to buy new computers that provide no real benefit to them over what they use right now. I suspect MS is going to repeal this requirement.

But the requirement for the modern processor is part of the TPM requirement. Nothing else in that page dictated a modern processor.

 

[atrib]

I disagree. For a vast majority of things I use my computers for, a quad-core Intel 4790K is more than fast enough, and a current generation i7 processor provides no additional benefit. And that is a fourth generation Core i7 processor. I suspect the same can be said for a vast majority of people who use computers today for personal and work reasons. Heck, a much older Intel E8400 clocked to 4 GHz still works fine for most things people do today. Drawing an arbitrary line at the 8th Generation i7 processor makes no sense, other than to force people to buy new computers that provide no real benefit to them over what they use right now. I suspect MS is going to repeal this requirement.

But the requirement for the modern processor is part of the TPM requirement. Nothing else in that page dictated a modern processor.

Maybe do a little research before you post? Here is a link to Microsoft's processor requirements for Win11.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements

TPM has been available in various forms on systems dating back to 2006, much, much earlier than the Intel 8th Gen processors that Win11 requires. I have systems with TPM on the mainboard that are running 4th and 6th Gen Intel processors. From Microsoft's own page we see that Win 11 will not be supported on Intel processors that are 7th Gen or older, which makes no sense, other than in the context of MS reaping larger licensing fees from system OEMs like Dell etc because people have to upgrade to new machines to get the new OS even though their existing hardware platforms are completely functional and effective at doing what they were designed to do..

 

[atrib]

Your status as a wealthy person is showing through again.

Any machine that doesn't meet those specs will make a snail look fast.

Nonsense. My 4th Gen i7 quad and 6th Gen i7 hexa-core systems are anything but slow. The current gen 11 i7 hexa-core are faster in synthetic benchmarks, but for everything I do, including Photoshop and Lightroom, and occasional Matlab computing, there is no discernible speedup going to a current Gen i7. And both my systems run significantly overclocked, which would wipe any generational efficiency gains anyway.

I build gaming and work systems for friends/acquaintances every year, sometimes builds running into tens of thousands of dollars. And I benchmark and stress-test every system I build and maintain the results in my own database. There is NO significant benefit to the average consumer in upgrading to a current Gen Intel CPU from even a 4th or 5th Gen CPU other than a miniscule savings in power consumption ($5 to $10 a year?). And maybe bragging rights.

Its a different story if you process a lot of high resolution video. The newer processors provide more on-die processors even in the consumer grade packages, and this can help significantly if you process a lot of video. Unless you are posting a ton of content on Youtube every week, or doing this professionally, this does not apply to you.

 

[steve_bank]

Same wit me. All that matters is rung the few pacjages I use. I do jot need blinding speed.
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The TPM is a good thing. Back in the 'good old days' under DOS and early Windows,apps could and did clobber the operating system and require reformatting and and reloading the HD. Apps interfered with each other.

Intel implemented protected mode on the 286. Segmented architecture was interned to support multiple users.

A system my company n the early 80s built had hardware memory protecion, buil with TTL logic.

The fact that all apps play together from 3rd parties was a major step.

I get pop ups from MS about new apps. I disabled or deleted all the installed apps I could. Windows will not let me disable play-store.

Intel wants to dominate with apps for every possible meed however trivial.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I disagree. For a vast majority of things I use my computers for, a quad-core Intel 4790K is more than fast enough, and a current generation i7 processor provides no additional benefit. And that is a fourth generation Core i7 processor. I suspect the same can be said for a vast majority of people who use computers today for personal and work reasons. Heck, a much older Intel E8400 clocked to 4 GHz still works fine for most things people do today. Drawing an arbitrary line at the 8th Generation i7 processor makes no sense, other than to force people to buy new computers that provide no real benefit to them over what they use right now. I suspect MS is going to repeal this requirement.

But the requirement for the modern processor is part of the TPM requirement. Nothing else in that page dictated a modern processor.

Maybe do a little research before you post? Here is a link to Microsoft's processor requirements for Win11.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements

TPM has been available in various forms on systems dating back to 2006, much, much earlier than the Intel 8th Gen processors that Win11 requires. I have systems with TPM on the mainboard that are running 4th and 6th Gen Intel processors. From Microsoft's own page we see that Win 11 will not be supported on Intel processors that are 7th Gen or older, which makes no sense, other than in the context of MS reaping larger licensing fees from system OEMs like Dell etc because people have to upgrade to new machines to get the new OS even though their existing hardware platforms are completely functional and effective at doing what they were designed to do..

They had inadequate versions of TPM, that's why they are being rejected. Note that the presented specs don't have a CPU requirement, the CPU "requirement" is simply those that support the right version of TPM. That's why I'm not counting the CPU as part of the requirement.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Same wit me. All that matters is rung the few pacjages I use. I do jot need blinding speed.
l
The TPM is a good thing. Back in the 'good old days' under DOS and early Windows,apps could and did clobber the operating system and require reformatting and and reloading the HD. Apps interfered with each other.

Intel implemented protected mode on the 286. Segmented architecture was interned to support multiple users.

A system my company n the early 80s built had hardware memory protecion, buil with TTL logic.

The fact that all apps play together from 3rd parties was a major step.

I get pop ups from MS about new apps. I disabled or deleted all the installed apps I could. Windows will not let me disable play-store.

Intel wants to dominate with apps for every possible meed however trivial.

TPM has nothing to do with protecting apps from each other.

 

[steve_bank]

Same wit me. All that matters is rung the few pacjages I use. I do jot need blinding speed.
l
The TPM is a good thing. Back in the 'good old days' under DOS and early Windows,apps could and did clobber the operating system and require reformatting and and reloading the HD. Apps interfered with each other.

Intel implemented protected mode on the 286. Segmented architecture was interned to support multiple users.

A system my company n the early 80s built had hardware memory protecion, buil with TTL logic.

The fact that all apps play together from 3rd parties was a major step.

I get pop ups from MS about new apps. I disabled or deleted all the installed apps I could. Windows will not let me disable play-store.

Intel wants to dominate with apps for every possible meed however trivial.

TPM has nothing to do with protecting apps from each other.

I believe it prevents corruption of memory segments, password protection. Or so what I read on the net. Improved security.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module

 

[atrib]

Maybe do a little research before you post? Here is a link to Microsoft's processor requirements for Win11.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements

TPM has been available in various forms on systems dating back to 2006, much, much earlier than the Intel 8th Gen processors that Win11 requires. I have systems with TPM on the mainboard that are running 4th and 6th Gen Intel processors. From Microsoft's own page we see that Win 11 will not be supported on Intel processors that are 7th Gen or older, which makes no sense, other than in the context of MS reaping larger licensing fees from system OEMs like Dell etc because people have to upgrade to new machines to get the new OS even though their existing hardware platforms are completely functional and effective at doing what they were designed to do..

They had inadequate versions of TPM, that's why they are being rejected. Note that the presented specs don't have a CPU requirement, the CPU "requirement" is simply those that support the right version of TPM. That's why I'm not counting the CPU as part of the requirement.

There is nothing I could find on Microsoft's or Intel's websites, or the Wiki pages for Win 11 and TPM that ties the TPM requirement to an 8th Gen i7 chip. The way TPM is most commonly implemented on consumer computers is through UEFI (mainboard chipset firmware). TPM 2.0 on UEFI has been available for a long time, from well before the chipsets that support the 8th Gen Intel processors. Win 10 also uses TPM 2.0 and has no trouble running on older generation Intel processors. Feel free to provide a citation supporting your claim, because I don't believe you.

Note that the presented specs don't have a CPU requirement,

Did you miss the link I had posted to Microsoft's page on CPU requirements?

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements

 

[steve_bank]

Type TPM on the Windows search window.

I get a status window and revision numbers. The chip set is made by Intel.

 

[barbos]

Same wit me. All that matters is rung the few pacjages I use. I do jot need blinding speed.
l
The TPM is a good thing. Back in the 'good old days' under DOS and early Windows,apps could and did clobber the operating system and require reformatting and and reloading the HD. Apps interfered with each other.

Intel implemented protected mode on the 286. Segmented architecture was interned to support multiple users.

A system my company n the early 80s built had hardware memory protecion, buil with TTL logic.

The fact that all apps play together from 3rd parties was a major step.

I get pop ups from MS about new apps. I disabled or deleted all the installed apps I could. Windows will not let me disable play-store.

Intel wants to dominate with apps for every possible meed however trivial.

TPM has nothing to do with protecting apps from each other.

Actually id does protect software from tampering.

 

[steve_bank]

The Belly of the beast.

I disabled all the backwound and update services I cold including all the Dell services. It was eating up my data usage. It was also slowing down the PC. Dell has a background process that gathers real tine data and sends it to the mother ship.

My browser was slow today. I checked Windows Update and it was running. I had it disables and Windows re-enabled itself.
Stopped and disabled it and back to normal.

 

[atrib]

The Belly of the beast.

I disabled all the backwound and update services I cold including all the Dell services. It was eating up my data usage. It was also slowing down the PC. Dell has a background process that gathers real tine data and sends it to the mother ship.

My browser was slow today. I checked Windows Update and it was running. I had it disables and Windows re-enabled itself.
Stopped and disabled it and back to normal.

At a very minimum, I would leave the Windows Critical Updates on Auto so they get updated as soon as they become available. Non-critical Windows updates you can leave on Notify so you can choose what you want installed. Turning all Windows Updates Off will leave you more vulnerable to security flaws that get addressed by the updates.

As to stuff installed by the OEMs, that is the cost of buying budget machines from bulk vendors. I build my own machines and install the OS myself so I don't have to deal with crap.

 

[The Colourful Jester]

Got the beta on Friday.

Doesn't seem to allow me to pin Windows Update or Date and Time on the Start Menu anymore.
Sometimes the Start Menu itself doesn't always come up when clicked.
Dark Mode theme isn't perfect, as it obscures some items on screen forcing me to revert back to another theme (it has a handful of themes to choose from). The themes used don't seem great in general.

 

[fromderinside]

Someone here complained about expensive new hardware required. I just got an up to date processor (Intel), 32 gig 64 bit memory, windows, 500 gig byte drive, internet, sound and graphics, media device ,mouse and keyboard for $360.

Then I discovered my twelve year old Dell studio XPS was covered by upgrade.

So I have more power for just a little bit of money.

Now where to install it.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_11

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11




Minimum system requirements
Processor 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster with 2 or more cores on a compatible 64-bit processor or System on a Chip (SoC)
Memory 4 GB RAM
Storage 64 GB or larger storage device
System firmware UEFI, Secure Boot capable
TPM Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0

Graphics card DirectX 12 compatible graphics / WDDM 2.x
Display >9” with HD Resolution (720p)
Internet connection Microsoft account and internet connectivity required for setup for Windows 11 Home
Certain features require specific hardware, see detailed system requirements.

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So, what are we thinking?

"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."
― Obi-Wan Kenobi, sensing the coming of Windows 11

 

[ZiprHead]

I need a microsoft account to set it up?

Nope.

 

[Tigers!]

Pardon me for invoking a deity but, Oh, good lord!

You are forgiven (70x7).

 

[Ford]

I'm staring at the little blue "update" dot on my screen. I suspect this will be just like every other one. It will take awhile to set up, it will seem to be working just fine, and then as I get adjusted I'll start noticing changes I don't like. "Why doesn't this work with the old game I always played? Where did the feature I always used go? Why does it insist I upgrade to their shitty browser?"

Then, eventually, I'll give up trying and reluctantly accept that I can never go back.

 

[The Colourful Jester]

Forgive me for upping my own thread, but it's a year later and I'm curious if all or any have taken to it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

My new laptop has 11 on it. So it hard to tell as it is too new to get bogged down yet.

Windows 10 sucks, it is Windows 7 with problems. It just takes forever sometimes to get going. I was suffering trouble downloading files and running software recently and checked Windows Update to see if I needed to download something. Then noticed it was trying to install an update.. very slowly, like 15 to 20 minutes to download/install.