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Is it immoral to lie, steal, and cheat to survive?

Emily Lake said:
Rational isn't synonymous with moral. It's rational for a person on the verge of starvation to do whatever the hell they can to stay alive. That doesn't make it moral to do so.
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Zackly! It also doesn’t make it moral to choose to starve to death rather than eat someone else’s food. A mother who starves to death trying to feed her child is neither more nor less moral than the one who lets the child starve and saves herself. She doesn’t have to be moral or immoral in the first place.
 
Emily Lake said:
COAS said:
Emily Lake said:
That said, I also support efforts to provide access to shelter and food for those who have found themselves without. And there are many, many ways for a poor or homeless to access them. There are countless food banks, food drives, church efforts, etc. that are perfectly willing to feed any who come to their door. But they do need to actually go to those places in order to get food.

Unless you're a hermit in the mountains with no access to transportation or communication, there ARE services available. They may require some effort in return, they may require that you show up and fill out some paper work, or help with the cleaning, but they ARE there.
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Read much aynd rand recently?

You could not be wrong.

I challenge you to a day without internet access. Let’s see how you do. Disgusting how privileged people care so little.
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What on earth? This has to be one of the strangest out-of-the-blue bits of snideness I've seen in a while.

Why do you think anything I said suggests that I don't care? And what does internet access have to do with any of it?
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She was probably responding to both posts in totality since the latter post was more of an addendum to the previous post.
 
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"Is it immoral to lie, steal, and cheat to survive?"

This is why our legal system has juries.
The judge knows the law.
The prosecutor knows the law.
The defense attorney knows the law.
It is not the juries function to interpret the law.
If the jury thinks what you did was justified, then you are good to go.

I have seen often on TV a prosecutor tell a jury "if yada-yada, then you must convict".
It isn't true. If that were true they wouldn't need the jury.

Personally, I know some laws are unjust, or even immoral.
Other laws ... I'll wait till I need to, to decide.

You owe it to yourself to survive.
You owe it to your offspring that they survive.
(and maybe their survival depends on fewer offspring)
But nobody else owes you that.

steve_bank said:
Matthew Humphrey recently lost $4,000 worth of goods in a theft of his Seattle barbershop. Under a new proposal the Seattle City Council is considering this month, what happened to him wouldn’t even be a crime—if the thieves claimed they were driven by poverty, that is.
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This shouldn't be put into law. I should be on a case-by-case basses
Emily Lake said:
a kid who is being partially supported by their parents doesn't necessarily need a living wage.
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What about a woman who is partially supported by her husband?
An employer nor the state, should stick their nose into the personal business of employees
TomC said:
If even one colony had pulled out, giving the British a beach head, the whole Independence Project was utterly doomed.
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The colony to the north stayed loyal to the crown. And we still pulled off the revolution.
COAS said:
I challenge you to a day without internet access. Let’s see how you do.
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OUCH! don't remind me.
At 3pm today (5 hours ago) we just came out of a 2 day power blackout, during the worst snowstorm of the year.
Hay Williamsport, Did the blackout hit you?
No rioting or looting here in the boonies.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Emily Lake said:
COAS said:
Emily Lake said:
That said, I also support efforts to provide access to shelter and food for those who have found themselves without. And there are many, many ways for a poor or homeless to access them. There are countless food banks, food drives, church efforts, etc. that are perfectly willing to feed any who come to their door. But they do need to actually go to those places in order to get food.

Unless you're a hermit in the mountains with no access to transportation or communication, there ARE services available. They may require some effort in return, they may require that you show up and fill out some paper work, or help with the cleaning, but they ARE there.
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Read much aynd rand recently?

You could not be wrong.

I challenge you to a day without internet access. Let’s see how you do. Disgusting how privileged people care so little.
Click to expand...
What on earth? This has to be one of the strangest out-of-the-blue bits of snideness I've seen in a while.

Why do you think anything I said suggests that I don't care? And what does internet access have to do with any of it?
Click to expand...

She was probably responding to both posts in totality since the latter post was more of an addendum to the previous post.
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I still don't follow where the general response was even coming from.
 
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