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What is the point of worship? Rather than 'God' - whatever that is supposed to be - perhaps it has more to do with a perceived benefit or payoff?
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Is a Hidden God the Same as No God?
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Swammerdami
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Blah blah blah. I do NOT think I offered much of an opinion on the truth/falsity.
What I DID do was offer explanatory context. which YOU snipped!
You should fit in real well here at the Infidels of Babel, Politesse.
Exactly. We are part of something more. That's what the observations show.
"Why would I worship?",
"We shouldn't argue with other atheists.",
"Don't talk about it like that because theist can use it.",
"That doesn't get us anywhere.",
"It muddies the waters."
"I am only talking about ... [insert a limited set of traits] type of god.
They are all special pleading to avoid the observations. Its what some theist do. So the question is why? Well, for me, its because we are human. List the traits of a special pleading theist. Predict if we have any special pleading atheist in our ranks.
Guess what, we have to.
So then the discussion, for me, turns toward "Are "you" fighting religion or just seeking the best truth we humans can?" Then, if you are fighting religion, are "you" being as honest as you can with a person just seeking the truth?" Like a child for example? or "Are you trying to allow them to be the best they can be?"
and how is "fighting religion as the number one priority" affect how you guide a person?
"You" here means "we" ... flip that "W" ... Me.
Lennon style tactics (or insert another person if you like, like CIA), lol, that made me laugh, just doesn't seem like the best we can do. "Stalins" need to be stopped, not used as a a tool. They are needed, but very, very sparingly. lol ... to funny.
Swammerdami
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The most salient point in my comment -- which appears to be the subject of this entire rejoinder -- is that any light shed on what 'such a "God"' might even refer to has been snipped.
Is this "flippancy" intended to inform? I can't guess the antecedents for any of the pronouns.
Maybe I just haven't made it up to Level 49, but absolutely nothing in SIB's post made any sense to me whatsoever.
The only reason I respond at all is that I have the feeling the post is intended as some refutation against me. or against something somebody thinks I implied. Is that correct?
If you can restate the charges SUCCINCTLY, and using VERY simple words I will deign to read that summary of the Indictment.
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That is NOT "what the observations show", because it is not ANYTHING.
"Something more" is so vague as to be a non-claim. It says nothing.
If and when you can provide more details of WTF "something" means in this context, then perhaps we will have something to discuss; Until then your repeatd caw of "something more, something more" is just spam.
We don't know everything. That fact has exactly bugger-all to do with gods, not least because one of the things we do know is that gods are purely fictional; There are no observations of gods.
Of course every observation of something that isn't us, is an observation of "something more"; So what?
If you posted "I saw a tree once", that would carry rather more content than your "something more" spam, but would still be irrelevant to the topic of this thread.