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Artificial intelligence paradigm shift

Swammerdami said:
While Googling around, Asking AI to Create the Most Beautiful Woman Picture from the 1960s for All 200 Countries popped up. It seemed appropriate to look at some of the images. Below see AI's "most beautiful Taiwanese" and "most beautiful Thai." While the allegedly Taiwanese girl looks slightly Eurasian, the Thai girl looks European to me.

Has the AI been trained to find Caucasians most beautiful?

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It probably has a lot more samples of beautiful Caucasians. They seem to me to be of the right race and I find the Thai one to share the more tropical features I find less attractive.


Interesting. I ran these by my wife as she's a lot more able to tell the various Asian groups apart. For the first picture she says the nose looks Vietnamese, but above that she would say Chinese. The second she had no answer for beyond not Asia, not Europe.
 
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The illusion that the AI program is a person is so strong that we see the program itself as being biased rather than the aggregate of humans that created the data used to train it on. An AI trained almost exclusively on Asian sources would likely produce a different standard of beauty.
 
Copernicus said:
The illusion that the AI program is a person is so strong that we see the program itself as being biased rather than the aggregate of humans that created the data used to train it on. An AI trained almost exclusively on Asian sources would likely produce a different standard of beauty.
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It's almost as if the same things that bias people (namely, biases within the associations of faces with estimations of beauty) might impact other things that learn.

The program itself is biased. It's not zero-sum. The bias in the data does not magically mean there isn't bias in the trained system; the fact that one bias is born from the other makes it no less real in the consequence.

Humans have the same issue, wherein repeatedly pushing associations of beauty with some standard of presentation and biasing exposure creates a system just as biased as the data.

See also: weeaboos who train themselves to think only Asian women are attractive in any way.

Sure, the initial values of the system may bias it towards some out-of-distribution result (roughly corresponding to individual preferences, preexisting bias from before any training happens), but we can't really ignore that the same thing is happening just because some people inappropriately refuse to acknowledge the same phenomena in different substrates.
 
Copernicus said:
The illusion that the AI program is a person is so strong that we see the program itself as being biased rather than the aggregate of humans that created the data used to train it on. An AI trained almost exclusively on Asian sources would likely produce a different standard of beauty.
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AI dudes like hot Asian chicks? Who knew?
 

Full lips, small nose, big round eyes. If any of these dolls actually started walking and talking, it would scare the shit out of me. This isn't beauty. This isn't art. Beauty is found in the unique individuality of a person. These pictures are rudimentary manifestations. I got about halfway through, as far as Israel before I tired of looking at basically the same woman over and over. And I'm not getting much of a 1960s vibe off these chicks. I wonder if "beautiful women of 2024" would look much the same. Al should take a trip through a few art museums and offer up an opinion of what it has just seen.

It's the trainers. It's the AI. How about, it's the observer?
Also consider possible biases among other cultures toward Caucasian/Western/US women in the 1960s. What influence did US film, music, capitalism have on the rest of the world in the 1960s. Did this create a desire that female beauty was found in Southern California?

Meh. Stick to the facts, AI. You're hell and gone from seeing beauty any time soon.
 
Swammerdami said:
While Googling around, Asking AI to Create the Most Beautiful Woman Picture from the 1960s for All 200 Countries popped up. It seemed appropriate to look at some of the images. Below see AI's "most beautiful Taiwanese" and "most beautiful Thai." While the allegedly Taiwanese girl looks slightly Eurasian, the Thai girl looks European to me.

Has the AI been trained to find Caucasians most beautiful?
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:ROFLMAO: Google Gemini AI had trouble generating ANY picture of caucasians earlier this year, much less a beautiful one. Despite it showcasing the worst side of AI, Gemini AI did provide some of the most entertaining examples of woke-run-amok that I've seen (so far).

Google’s Gemini Has Trouble Drawing White People

Google’s flagship Gemini large language model paused its image generation of people after it was criticized for poor handling of race. This time, the affront was against Caucasians.

When asked to generate images of Vikings and German World War II troops – historically held by white people − Gemini depicted them as people of color.

“We're already working to address recent issues with Gemini's image generation feature. While we do this, we're going to pause the image generation of people and will re-release an improved version soon,” Google said via X (Twitter).

Google did not address any specific images but the generations were widely shared on social media. Among the examples included a pope and medieval knights.
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TV and credit cards said:

Full lips, small nose, big round eyes. If any of these dolls actually started walking and talking, it would scare the shit out of me. This isn't beauty. This isn't art. Beauty is found in the unique individuality of a person. These pictures are rudimentary manifestations. I got about halfway through, as far as Israel before I tired of looking at basically the same woman over and over. And I'm not getting much of a 1960s vibe off these chicks. I wonder if "beautiful women of 2024" would look much the same. Al should take a trip through a few art museums and offer up an opinion of what it has just seen.

It's the trainers. It's the AI. How about, it's the observer?
Also consider possible biases among other cultures toward Caucasian/Western/US women in the 1960s. What influence did US film, music, capitalism have on the rest of the world in the 1960s. Did this create a desire that female beauty was found in Southern California?

Meh. Stick to the facts, AI. You're hell and gone from seeing beauty any time soon.
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Sounds like you are experiencing the The Uncanny Valley. The effect of the UV has diminished from where it was just a few years ago, but its still there. And yeah, US film, etc did influence the definition of beauty across the world. It is not uncommon for Asian women for example to have surgery to "fix" their eyes to look more Western. Things have really gotten off the rocker lately though. Shaving eyebrows and penciling them in with a felt marker, "bee sting" lip injections, butt fat injections, big, dumb tattoos all over the body, green hair, etc. Uh, no thanks.
 
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