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No, not in Iran but Canada. A city mayor did not raise the pride flag during the state sanctioned month long religious observation of "Pride" and has been fined and ordered to report for re-education camp;

The Ontario Human Rights Tribunal has found the township of Emo will have to pay damages after refusing to proclaim Pride Month back in 2020. Borderland Pride requested Emo to declare June as Pride Month and display a rainbow flag for one week but the township refused, resulting in a years-long process in which the tribunal ruled against the township. The tribunal ruled Borderland Pride will be awarded $15,000, with $10,000 coming from the township itself and the other $5,000 coming from Emo mayor Harold McQuaker. In addition to the compensation, the tribunal also ordered McQuaker and the Chief Administrative Officer of the municipality to complete a "Human Rights 101" training course offered by the Ontario Human Rights Commission within 30 days.
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What's that all aboot, eh?
 
Blame Canada, blame Canada. It seems that everything's gone wrong since Canada came along. Blame Canada, blame Canada. They're not even a real country anyway.
 
TSwizzle said:
No, not in Iran but Canada. A city mayor did not raise the pride flag during the state sanctioned month long religious observation of "Pride" and has been fined and ordered to report for re-education camp;
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"Religious festival"? Oh goody... TSwizzle helped provide some DailyMail faux colour to the otherwise bland and factual CBC link.
 
Religious? I see nothing religious here.

I see a mayor refusing to do his duty and punished for said refusal.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Religious? I see nothing religious here.

I see a mayor refusing to do his duty and punished for said refusal.
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^ This.

Refusing to do your job as a public servant because it offends your personal and private beliefs is generally a bad plan; Just ask Kim Davis.

If you don't want to organise official ceremonies, celebrations, and comemmorations, don't run for mayor.
 
Spacetime Inhabitant said:
So being gay is a religion,
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Of course not.

It is the state sanctioned and sponsored month long religious celebration of pride and all that entails is the religion. The mayor of Emo has been sanctioned for being a heretic and not festooning city hall with the appropriate religious paraphernalia.

Marc Guehi and Crystal Palace will be formally reprimand by the FA after the star wrote ‘I love Jesus’ on his rainbow captain’s armband. The player and club had faced a charge, with FIFA and FA rules banning ‘any political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images’ on players' equipment, which includes armbands.
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Daily Mail
 
bilby said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Religious? I see nothing religious here.

I see a mayor refusing to do his duty and punished for said refusal.
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^ This.

Refusing to do your job as a public servant because it offends your personal and private beliefs is generally a bad plan; Just ask Kim Davis.

If you don't want to organise official ceremonies, celebrations, and comemmorations, don't run for mayor.
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What job?

Maybe I missed something. Did the voters of the township hold a referendum on raising a queer flag over city hall? Did the officials refuse permission for a parade?

Calling militant queers a religion is stretching a point. But no, not putting up a flag is not a reason for fines and re-education. Based only on the information in the article, if I lived there I'd be inclined to put up a flag in my yard. A rainbow flag with a big black X spray painted across the middle.
Tom
 
TSwizzle said:
Spacetime Inhabitant said:
So being gay is a religion,
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Of course not.

It is the state sanctioned and sponsored month long religious celebration of pride and all that entails is the religion. The mayor of Emo has been sanctioned for being a heretic and not festooning city hall with the appropriate religious paraphernalia.

Marc Guehi and Crystal Palace will be formally reprimand by the FA after the star wrote ‘I love Jesus’ on his rainbow captain’s armband. The player and club had faced a charge, with FIFA and FA rules banning ‘any political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images’ on players' equipment, which includes armbands.
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Daily Mail
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The fundamental aspect of religion is beliefs taken on faith. What faith is involved here?
 
TomC said:
bilby said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Religious? I see nothing religious here.

I see a mayor refusing to do his duty and punished for said refusal.
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^ This.

Refusing to do your job as a public servant because it offends your personal and private beliefs is generally a bad plan; Just ask Kim Davis.

If you don't want to organise official ceremonies, celebrations, and comemmorations, don't run for mayor.
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What job?

Maybe I missed something. Did the voters of the township hold a referendum on raising a queer flag over city hall? Did the officials refuse permission for a parade?

Calling militant queers a religion is stretching a point. But no, not putting up a flag is not a reason for fines and re-education. Based only on the information in the article, if I lived there I'd be inclined to put up a flag in my yard. A rainbow flag with a big black X spray painted across the middle.
Tom
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My understanding is that he refused to display something he was supposed to display. Think of Kim Davis--refusing to issue marriage certificates to gays. This isn't an oops, this is an active refusal to do the job.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
TSwizzle said:
Spacetime Inhabitant said:
So being gay is a religion,
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Of course not.

It is the state sanctioned and sponsored month long religious celebration of pride and all that entails is the religion. The mayor of Emo has been sanctioned for being a heretic and not festooning city hall with the appropriate religious paraphernalia.

Marc Guehi and Crystal Palace will be formally reprimand by the FA after the star wrote ‘I love Jesus’ on his rainbow captain’s armband. The player and club had faced a charge, with FIFA and FA rules banning ‘any political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images’ on players' equipment, which includes armbands.
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Daily Mail
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The fundamental aspect of religion is beliefs taken on faith. What faith is involved here?
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Same beliefs the other pushy religions take on faith:

Rights are conferred by us. Our ingroup has the right to run our outgroup's lives. Obeying our ideology is good; disobeying it is evil. Those who agree with us are good; dissidents are evil. Dissidents have a moral obligation to pay lip service to our ideology and keep their skepticism to themselves. Toleration of them is persecution of us. A wall of separation between our ideology and the state discriminates against us. Content-neutral laws treating them the same as us are unfair to us. Enforcing our ideology qualifies as proper use of criminal law.​

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. Why should anyone care whether an ideology's unsupported dogma is about gods? It does a progressive and a gay person no harm for a town to fly twenty Pride flags, or none -- it neither picks their pockets nor breaks their legs.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
TomC said:
bilby said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Religious? I see nothing religious here.

I see a mayor refusing to do his duty and punished for said refusal.
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^ This.

Refusing to do your job as a public servant because it offends your personal and private beliefs is generally a bad plan; Just ask Kim Davis.

If you don't want to organise official ceremonies, celebrations, and comemmorations, don't run for mayor.
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What job?

Maybe I missed something. Did the voters of the township hold a referendum on raising a queer flag over city hall? Did the officials refuse permission for a parade?

Calling militant queers a religion is stretching a point. But no, not putting up a flag is not a reason for fines and re-education. Based only on the information in the article, if I lived there I'd be inclined to put up a flag in my yard. A rainbow flag with a big black X spray painted across the middle.
Tom
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My understanding is that he refused to display something he was supposed to display. Think of Kim Davis--refusing to issue marriage certificates to gays. This isn't an oops, this is an active refusal to do the job.
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In the first place, what was done to Kim Davis was inappropriate -- outside the military, refusal to do your job is a firing offense, not a criminal offense. In the second place, governments acquire an obligation to issue marriage certificates even-handedly when they take it upon themselves to enact legal discrimination against unmarried people. How have governments acquired an obligation to single out subsets of their citizenry for special celebration? And in the third place, Louisiana has defined the job of teacher to include displaying the Ten Commandments. Do you think that makes it appropriate for a teacher who refuses to "do his duty" to be fined $5000 as punishment for said refusal?
 
Bomb#20 said:
Loren Pechtel said:
TSwizzle said:
Spacetime Inhabitant said:
So being gay is a religion,
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Of course not.

It is the state sanctioned and sponsored month long religious celebration of pride and all that entails is the religion. The mayor of Emo has been sanctioned for being a heretic and not festooning city hall with the appropriate religious paraphernalia.

Marc Guehi and Crystal Palace will be formally reprimand by the FA after the star wrote ‘I love Jesus’ on his rainbow captain’s armband. The player and club had faced a charge, with FIFA and FA rules banning ‘any political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images’ on players' equipment, which includes armbands.
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Daily Mail
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The fundamental aspect of religion is beliefs taken on faith. What faith is involved here?
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Same beliefs the other pushy religions take on faith:

Rights are conferred by us. Our ingroup has the right to run our outgroup's lives. Obeying our ideology is good; disobeying it is evil. Those who agree with us are good; dissidents are evil. Dissidents have a moral obligation to pay lip service to our ideology and keep their skepticism to themselves. Toleration of them is persecution of us. A wall of separation between our ideology and the state discriminates against us. Content-neutral laws treating them the same as us are unfair to us. Enforcing our ideology qualifies as proper use of criminal law.​

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. Why should anyone care whether an ideology's unsupported dogma is about gods? It does a progressive and a gay person no harm for a town to fly twenty Pride flags, or none -- it neither picks their pockets nor breaks their legs.
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Inclusion and acceptance of homosexuals is "dogma"?
 
Bomb#20 said:
Loren Pechtel said:
TomC said:
bilby said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Religious? I see nothing religious here.

I see a mayor refusing to do his duty and punished for said refusal.
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^ This.

Refusing to do your job as a public servant because it offends your personal and private beliefs is generally a bad plan; Just ask Kim Davis.

If you don't want to organise official ceremonies, celebrations, and comemmorations, don't run for mayor.
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What job?

Maybe I missed something. Did the voters of the township hold a referendum on raising a queer flag over city hall? Did the officials refuse permission for a parade?

Calling militant queers a religion is stretching a point. But no, not putting up a flag is not a reason for fines and re-education. Based only on the information in the article, if I lived there I'd be inclined to put up a flag in my yard. A rainbow flag with a big black X spray painted across the middle.
Tom
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My understanding is that he refused to display something he was supposed to display. Think of Kim Davis--refusing to issue marriage certificates to gays. This isn't an oops, this is an active refusal to do the job.
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In the first place, what was done to Kim Davis was inappropriate -- outside the military, refusal to do your job is a firing offense, not a criminal offense.
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It is much more fundamental than that! Kim Davis was an elected Government official. She wasn't merely not "doing her job", she was imposing her religious beliefs as a Government official on the people she was supposed to be serving. And that is the issue with the case in Ontario, albeit not active, but passively refusing a lawful duty.
Bomb#20 said:
Louisiana has defined the job of teacher to include displaying the Ten Commandments. Do you think that makes it appropriate for a teacher who refuses to "do his duty" to be fined $5000 as punishment for said refusal?
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The Legislative Body can be wrong and violate Civil Right. The Executive Body can be wrong and violate Civil Rights. In Canada and the United States, the Government is supposed to be inclusive to all people, equal protection. Individuals are free to think being gay is a sin and ungodly. The Government is not.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
My understanding is that he refused to display something he was supposed to display. Think of Kim Davis--refusing to issue marriage certificates to gays. This isn't an oops, this is an active refusal to do the job.
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I don't know anything about the situation but what is in the article.
Maybe Canada has a law requiring Pride flags at certain times of year. If that's true then it bears some resemblance to the Kim Davis thing. Still weak connection since not seeing a flag on one particular building isn't similar to not being able to get government recognition of your marriage.

To me, this is more like the township officials putting up a Nativity scene on the steps of town hall in December. Or not. As much as I enjoy good Nativity scenes I don't want one on the steps of city hall. Private concerns can knock themselves out with such displays. But the government should not do it.
Tom
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Bomb#20 said:
Loren Pechtel said:
The fundamental aspect of religion is beliefs taken on faith. What faith is involved here?
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Same beliefs the other pushy religions take on faith:

Rights are conferred by us. Our ingroup has the right to run our outgroup's lives. Obeying our ideology is good; disobeying it is evil. Those who agree with us are good; dissidents are evil. Dissidents have a moral obligation to pay lip service to our ideology and keep their skepticism to themselves. Toleration of them is persecution of us. A wall of separation between our ideology and the state discriminates against us. Content-neutral laws treating them the same as us are unfair to us. Enforcing our ideology qualifies as proper use of criminal law.​

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. Why should anyone care whether an ideology's unsupported dogma is about gods? It does a progressive and a gay person no harm for a town to fly twenty Pride flags, or none -- it neither picks their pockets nor breaks their legs.
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Inclusion and acceptance of homosexuals is "dogma"?
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You haven't stopped beating your wife?

Loren asked what faith was involved. I told him. I listed nine elements of dogma shared by Christianity, Islam and progressivism. Do you see "Inclusion and acceptance of homosexuals" in my list?!? No, you don't. So stop setting up strawmen.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Bomb#20 said:
In the first place, what was done to Kim Davis was inappropriate -- outside the military, refusal to do your job is a firing offense, not a criminal offense.
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It is much more fundamental than that! Kim Davis was an elected Government official. She wasn't merely not "doing her job", she was imposing her religious beliefs as a Government official on the people she was supposed to be serving. And that is the issue with the case in Ontario, albeit not active, but passively refusing a lawful duty.
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Yes, and for that she should have been fired. Not prosecuted. That was a misuse of the criminal justice system. When striking miners were jailed in the early days of the labor movement, that too was a misuse of the criminal justice system.

Bomb#20 said:
Louisiana has defined the job of teacher to include displaying the Ten Commandments. Do you think that makes it appropriate for a teacher who refuses to "do his duty" to be fined $5000 as punishment for said refusal?
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The Legislative Body can be wrong and violate Civil Right. The Executive Body can be wrong and violate Civil Rights.
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Yes, and in Canada the Orwellian-named "Human Rights Tribunals" systematically violate the Civil Rights of humans in the name of made-up rights of groups. Groups are grammatical fictions. Grammatical fictions do not have rights.

In Canada and the United States, the Government is supposed to be inclusive to all people, equal protection. Individuals are free to think being gay is a sin and ungodly. The Government is not.
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What's your point? Did McQuaker justify his refusal on the grounds that being gay is a sin and ungodly?

winnipeg.ctvnews.ca

Northwestern Ontario community fined for refusing to celebrate Pride Month

An Ontario town and its mayor have been fined a total of $15,000 for refusing to celebrate Pride Month.
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Shortly after the vote, Mayor Harold McQuaker, who voted against the proclamation, said, “There’s no flag being flown for the other side of the coin…there’s no flags being flown for the straight people.”

The tribunal called McQuaker's comment "demeaning and disparaging" of the LGTBTQ2S+ community and constituted it as discrimination.
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The government of Emo was being equally inclusive of all people; the "Human Rights Tribunal" commanded special treatment for some and chose to interpret equal treatment as discrimination against its favored subset. That fits my upthread list of religious dogmas to a T. Progressives might as well pass a law requiring government officials to endorse BLM, and fine mayors $5000 for saying all lives matter.
 
Bomb#20 said:
Do you think that makes it appropriate for a teacher who refuses to "do his duty" to be fined $5000 as punishment for said refusal?
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You mean “do their duty”? 😄

I agree she should have been fired.
Fuck this legality of religion philosophy sexual preference marriage healthcare question set …

The State will soon control all of it if the Trump regency goes to plan, anyhow.
 
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