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Toni said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Toni said:
Loren Pechtel said:
A good work/life balance comes at the cost of lower wages.
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Discrimination IS a societal problem. It exists at every level and on every facet of society. When something is as prevalent as lower wages for women who have children--doing the same work, with the same qualifications as men--that IS discrimination against women. Despite your claims, it exists whether or not women have children or young, dependent children. Do you know what women with young children who earn sufficient income do? They hire help at home. They hire cleaning services and of course, whatever women earn, they must pay for childcare, which is exorbitant right now, and in fact, often comes quite close to wiping out the wages earned by mothers of young children. Women who can afford to do so, hire help--but must 'manage' the help: pay, ensuring that requested work is done to agreed upon standards on an agreed upon time frame, etc. and also manage if the cleaners quit or are sick or are otherwise absent.
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First you need to establish that it is discrimination.

90% of the "wage gap" disappears with three controls: specific job worked, actual hours worked (no treating all "full time" the same) and using years of experience rather than age.

Toni said:
Women who give birth not getting sufficient time off with pay/benefits to recover from pregnancy and childbirth is discrimination. Men DO get sufficient time off when they have major medical events such as heart attacks or broken bones from playing basketball or whatever.
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Once again, you fail to recognize that disparate outcomes do not prove discrimination.

You are asking for discrimination in favor of women here--being paid for work not done. You choose to have a child, it comes with costs. Lots of costs.
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No, I’m SAYING that every person working a job deserves paid time off to accommodate medical needs, illnesses and injuries. This is true whether the person has an illness or an I just or requires surgery or medical treatment. Further, all parents: biological or adoptive or foster parents need and deserve parental leave to establish bonds and to care fur a new child. This is what civilized nations do: they acknowledge that their workers are people, human beings, who might sometimes be ill or injured or have an ongoing medical need that needs to be accommodated. Further, they acknowledge and accommodate family needs: to care for a sick or injured family member, to care for and establish a good feeding and sleeping schedule with a new family member. In many other countries, family leave is 3 months and in some countries a year or more.

If you should have the misfortune to require that something that weighs 7 pounds or so from your body, you’d certainly require time away from your job to accommodate whatever procedures necessary to remove that 7 pound mass-and to teciver from it, and to get whatever physical or occupational therapy you need in order to recover fully and well. You’d expect no less. And I’d expect that in your behalf.

Your problem is that you seem to believe that ‘male’ is the standard human and that the standard either is make and that any woman who wishes to be taken seriously should act like a man and not do anything so outrageous as to expect to handle both motherhood and a job. Men, of course can do so— because they have a woman at home taking care of silly little things like nothing and raising children, getting them to and from daycare/school/doctors appointments/baseball practice/piano lessons, etc. etc.

Men only run businesses because they insist someone else take care of their lives-they don’t handle any of that stuff themselves.

Of course I am exaggerating a bit and presenting a 1950’s tv show depiction of life in the USA because that is what I think most closely approximates your world view and I thought you might see how far that world view is from reality.
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You continue your obsession with it being discrimination. Please address the three controls I pointed out. You expect equal pay for less work.
 
laughing dog said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Toni said:
Loren Pechtel said:
A good work/life balance comes at the cost of lower wages.
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Discrimination IS a societal problem. It exists at every level and on every facet of society. When something is as prevalent as lower wages for women who have children--doing the same work, with the same qualifications as men--that IS discrimination against women. Despite your claims, it exists whether or not women have children or young, dependent children. Do you know what women with young children who earn sufficient income do? They hire help at home. They hire cleaning services and of course, whatever women earn, they must pay for childcare, which is exorbitant right now, and in fact, often comes quite close to wiping out the wages earned by mothers of young children. Women who can afford to do so, hire help--but must 'manage' the help: pay, ensuring that requested work is done to agreed upon standards on an agreed upon time frame, etc. and also manage if the cleaners quit or are sick or are otherwise absent.
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First you need to establish that it is discrimination.

90% of the "wage gap" disappears with three controls: specific job worked, actual hours worked (no treating all "full time" the same) and using years of experience rather than age.

Toni said:
Women who give birth not getting sufficient time off with pay/benefits to recover from pregnancy and childbirth is discrimination. Men DO get sufficient time off when they have major medical events such as heart attacks or broken bones from playing basketball or whatever.
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Once again, you fail to recognize that disparate outcomes do not prove discrimination.

You are asking for discrimination in favor of women here--being paid for work not done. You choose to have a child, it comes with costs. Lots of costs.
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Once again, you fail to recognize that couples have children and you expect one person to bear the costs while the other reaps the benefits of work not done.
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A couple is free to distribute the costs however they choose, I am not trying to dictate that at all. I'm simply pointing out out what actually happens. More focus on work/life balance means lower income.
 
Apparently there's a shortage of prayers as well.



Personally, I’d rather reach out to their local legislators and share my thoughts directly.
 
While the families who lost loved ones in these events might find solace in prayers... the remainder of prayers do fuck all.
Axulus said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Wisconsin is the next to dance. Currently 5 dead, 5 wounded. Shooter is dead.
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If only God and the Bible were allowed in their school this wouldn't of happened...
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Might be something to it, it is now 3 dead, 6 wounded.
 
Apparently the shooter thought life was just a little bit too abundant at that school.
 
Shooter is among the 3 dead. So now we are merely suffering for a school shooting and not a mass murder. Oh the joy to live in 21st Century America!
 
Man, I don't even recall this one happening.
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Cowden said the weeks of planning that Xaver performed before the 2019 murders at Sebring's SunTrust bank, the enormity of the crime and the fear the victims felt as they were shot greatly outweighed the two dozen mitigating factors his attorneys had presented, including his history of mental illness, his benign brain tumor and his jailhouse embrace of Christianity.

“May God have mercy on your soul,” Cowden told Xaver.

Xaver pleaded guilty last year to five counts of first-degree murder for the slayings of customer Cynthia Watson, 65; bank teller coordinator Marisol Lopez, 55; banker trainee Ana Pinon-Williams, 38; teller Debra Cook, 54; and banker Jessica Montague, 31.
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I mean, I would really think I'd remember this! Meanwhile... that happened in 2019... and sentencing is just happening.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
While the families who lost loved ones in these events might find solace in prayers... the remainder of prayers do fuck all.
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Kidding?
Have we assigned zero value to the smug comfort of having done what we can, about things about which we can do nothing?
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Apparently the shooter thought life was just a little bit too abundant at that school.
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God is pissed that they co-opted the acronym of the American League Championship Series.


My former Company is kicking some ass, selling pre-hospital emergency medical supplies to LE, from 6 person departments to State Department Op Med. I am confident that the Trump Administration will be a continuing boon.
 
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Good news - shootings on or around schools have fallen from 349 last year to only 323 so far this year!!

The shooting at the Madison school on Monday brings the number of school shootings in the U.S. to 323 this year, according to a national K-12 School Shooting Database. The 2024 number is down slightly from 2023, when 349 school shootings were recorded....
The data includes incidents in which a gun was brandished or fired or whether a bullet hits school property. It also includes other factors, such as whether the shootings were gang related, domestic violence, shootings at sporting events or after-school events, suicides, accidents or fights that escalate into shootings. It tracks school shootings as far back as 1966.
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(source: Madison School Shooting)
 
Approximately 125 people are shot and killed daily in the United States (based on recent analyses). So maybe 1875 people shot and killed since Mangione shot the United HC CEO.
Can anyone tell me why this “rich” guy is more important than all the other 1874 victims that have been killed since, put together? Look at the millions they’re spending on this guy. Mind blowing.
 
Elixir said:
Approximately 125 people are shot and killed daily in the United States (based on recent analyses).
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[citation needed]
Number of homicides in the US in 2023 was 20,703 according to FBI Crime Data Explorer. That's under 60 per day.
Note that not all of these homicides were committed using firearms. And all homicides includes murder, manslaughter, as well as self defense.
Where did you get your number?

So maybe 1875 people shot and killed since Mangione shot the United HC CEO.
Can anyone tell me why this “rich” guy is more important than all the other 1874 victims that have been killed since, put together? Look at the millions they’re spending on this guy. Mind blowing.
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Other murders get investigated and prosecuted too. If the suspects flees to another state, they get extradited. None of this is unique to Luigi.
On the other hand, if the suspect is also killed, as was the case with Natalie Rupnow, none of this is necessary.
 
laughing dog said:
Good news - shootings on or around schools have fallen from 349 last year to only 323 so far this year!!
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That is encouraging news.
laughing dog said:
The shooting at the Madison school on Monday brings the number of school shootings in the U.S. to 323 this year, according to a national K-12 School Shooting Database. The 2024 number is down slightly from 2023, when 349 school shootings were recorded....
The data includes incidents in which a gun was brandished or fired or whether a bullet hits school property. It also includes other factors, such as whether the shootings were gang related, domestic violence, shootings at sporting events or after-school events, suicides, accidents or fights that escalate into shootings. It tracks school shootings as far back as 1966.
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(source: Madison School Shooting)
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