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Israel launches unprovoked attack on Syria

 
 
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Harry Bosch said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Derec said:
It is certainly anti-semitic to single Israel out for conducting operations inside Syria.
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If that principle were true, then every current event news thread saying X did this or that would be racist against X merely because it says X did this or that. It is not racist, however, to mention that such and such is happening in a current event.

Derec said:
...Turkey...
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Whataboutism.

Based on your response(s), you seem to have a huge problem admitting that this current event happened and it is wrong.
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Derek raises a good point. Why single out Israel? Why does Turkey and America get a free pass here?
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Not seeking territory? A lot of this is emerging stuff, so it is a bit difficult to see what Israel is doing. Netanyahu blew through quite a bit of international support, much like W in 2002/03. And it is hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. Certainly, Israel has some interest with the sudden fall of Syria.
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Turkey very much would like to take over the area where the Kurds live in Syria. No one ever cares about the Kurds. It’s a great mystery to me. But it just seems tone deaf for an American to condemn a country for attacking Syria a couple days after America launches attacks on Syria!
 
Harry Bosch said:
Turkey very much would like to take over the area where the Kurds live in Syria. No one ever cares about the Kurds. It’s a great mystery to me.
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I've never understood that either.

As far as I can tell, Kurds are just another cultural/ethnic group who want a country of their own. One where they are safe from the government. Not different from what Zionists want in Israel.
Tom
 
Harry Bosch said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Derec said:
It is certainly anti-semitic to single Israel out for conducting operations inside Syria.
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If that principle were true, then every current event news thread saying X did this or that would be racist against X merely because it says X did this or that. It is not racist, however, to mention that such and such is happening in a current event.

Derec said:
...Turkey...
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Whataboutism.

Based on your response(s), you seem to have a huge problem admitting that this current event happened and it is wrong.
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Derek raises a good point. Why single out Israel? Why does Turkey and America get a free pass here?
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Once again, I did not single anyone out. Israel made it to a current event news article because they did something very recent. This happens all the time with timely relevant news articles. Pointing out X happened in no way gives Y or Z a free pass.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Once again, I did not single anyone out. Israel made it to a current event news article because they did something very recent. This happens all the time with timely relevant news articles. Pointing out X happened in no way gives Y or Z a free pass.
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Again, operations from the likes of US and Turkey inside Syria are just as part of the current news cycle as those by Israel. That Grauniad only chooses to focus on Israel is hardly surprising though.
 
Harry Bosch said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Harry Bosch said:
Derek raises a good point. Why single out Israel? Why does Turkey and America get a free pass here?
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Not seeking territory? A lot of this is emerging stuff, so it is a bit difficult to see what Israel is doing. Netanyahu blew through quite a bit of international support, much like W in 2002/03. And it is hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. Certainly, Israel has some interest with the sudden fall of Syria.
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Turkey very much would like to take over the area where the Kurds live in Syria. No one ever cares about the Kurds.
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My understanding was Turkey was hoping to have a lot of Syrians disembark Turkey and be that buffer between the Kurds and the Turkey.
Harry Bosch said:
But it just seems tone deaf for an American to condemn a country for attacking Syria a couple days after America launches attacks on Syria!
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We are exceptional in that way. :)
 
TV and credit cards said:
I'm inclined to be most concerned about Israel's bombing because of what I can make out from the news, it is Israel who is bombing within the populated areas (the western coast),
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Israel is focusing on military assets of the former Assad regime. Particularly navy and chemical weapons. I have seen nothing about bombing any population centers.
who's presence in Syria is a new occurrence and this at a critical time in Syria's history.
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Israel has flown air attacks into Syria before. Usually targeting Iranian weapons shipments to Hezbollah.
Also, remember the attack back in April when they targeted IRGC officers at the embassy complex in Damascus?
Israel claims this is some precog invasion/bombing because they know what is to come from Syria, this new terrorist state. I call bullshit.
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[citation needed] about these Jewish Space Precogs. They don't know what is to come from Syria, and they do not want to take chances that Assad's weapons fall into the wrong hands.
We should being doing what we can to push Syria toward democracy at this time. Sending material aid they need to get things moving in the right direction. Why do you think they haven't officially told Russia to leave yet? It's plan B.
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I agree we should do that as a matter of policy. That has nothing to do with taking out Assad's weapons systems though.
 
TomC said:
Harry Bosch said:
Turkey very much would like to take over the area where the Kurds live in Syria. No one ever cares about the Kurds. It’s a great mystery to me.
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I've never understood that either.

As far as I can tell, Kurds are just another cultural/ethnic group who want a country of their own. One where they are safe from the government. Not different from what Zionists want in Israel.
Tom
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The Kurds don't have any oil, nor do they have a large voting bloc in US elections. Why would anyone care about them? Because they are human? Give me a break. If we started caring about powerless people just because they are human, where would it end??
 
Derec said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Once again, I did not single anyone out. Israel made it to a current event news article because they did something very recent. This happens all the time with timely relevant news articles. Pointing out X happened in no way gives Y or Z a free pass.
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Again, operations from the likes of US and Turkey inside Syria are just as part of the current news cycle as those by Israel. That Grauniad only chooses to focus on Israel is hardly surprising though.
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:ROFLMAO: Newspapers report on current events as they unfold. It may seem like they’re only focusing on Israel right now because Israel has recently made newsworthy moves. The Guardian has covered operations by both Turkey and the U.S. in Syria whenever there’s been a significant development or a major turning point. That’s simply the nature of journalism. If you dislike the outlet, just say so—there’s no need to craft a conspiracy theory.
 
I've been watching the
Gospel said:
Derec said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Once again, I did not single anyone out. Israel made it to a current event news article because they did something very recent. This happens all the time with timely relevant news articles. Pointing out X happened in no way gives Y or Z a free pass.
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Again, operations from the likes of US and Turkey inside Syria are just as part of the current news cycle as those by Israel. That Grauniad only chooses to focus on Israel is hardly surprising though.
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:ROFLMAO: Newspapers report on current events as they unfold. It may seem like they’re only focusing on Israel right now because Israel has recently made newsworthy moves. The Guardian has covered operations by both Turkey and the U.S. in Syria whenever there’s been a significant development or a major turning point. That’s simply the nature of journalism. If you dislike the outlet, just say so—there’s no need to craft a conspiracy theory.
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I've been watching the Reuters stream in the morning and feel about 500% more informed about global events, impacts than before. American media is oddly enough, America-centric.
 
bilby said:
TomC said:
Harry Bosch said:
Turkey very much would like to take over the area where the Kurds live in Syria. No one ever cares about the Kurds. It’s a great mystery to me.
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I've never understood that either.

As far as I can tell, Kurds are just another cultural/ethnic group who want a country of their own. One where they are safe from the government. Not different from what Zionists want in Israel.
Tom
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The Kurds don't have any oil, nor do they have a large voting bloc in US elections. Why would anyone care about them? Because they are human? Give me a break. If we started caring about powerless people just because they are human, where would it end??
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Yes we might start being concerned about Sudan, DRC, North Korea, Mymanmar etc. How terrible that would be.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Israel struck dozens of sites in Syria overnight with airstrikes, despite the Syrian rebel leader, Abu Mohammed al-Jolani, saying his Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) group was not interested in conflict with Israel.

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Netanyahu justified his announcement of plans to expand Israeli settlements in the part of the Golan Heights the country initially occupied in 1973 “in light of the war and the new front facing Syria” and a desire to double the Israeli population in the area.

“Strengthening the Golan is strengthening the state of Israel, and it is especially important at this time. We will continue to hold on to it, cause it to blossom and settle in it,” he said in the statement.

The UN has called on Israel to withdraw from the buffer zone, which sits between Syria and the Israeli-occupied area.

The UN secretary general, António Guterres, said he was “deeply concerned by the recent and extensive violations of Syria’s sovereignty and territorial integrity”.

France, Germany and Spain have also called on Israel to withdraw from the demilitarised zone.
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How's it unprovoked? Syria has been harrassing Israel via Hezbollah for years. The new Syrian government is Islamist. Ex Al Qaeda and ISIS. This is Israels window of opportunity to smash the Russian high tech weapons before they fall into the hands of Islamists. Who probably will be even more anti Israel than Assad ever was.

They were also invited into the Golan heights by the Druze. Who somehow prefer the Israeli rule of law, to being under the thumb of another dictatorship. Even though the Druze are Muslim

Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
The UN has said Israel is in violation of a 1974 disengagement agreement between Israel and Syria that established the buffer zone. Israel has said the 1974 disengagement agreement “collapsed” with the fall of the Assad regime government.
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www.theguardian.com

Israel launches dozens of airstrikes on Syria despite rebel leader's peace pledge

Benjamin Netanyahu says he has approved expansion of settlements in occupied Golan Heights after night of strikes
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Yes, exactly. That agreement is now mute.

Al-Jolani is an Islamist. Obviously he can't be trusted. The new regime is just yet another dictatorship. Some journlists are so bizarrely naive.

Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Reactions by Israel expansionist apologists must be mixed, between rejoicing by some and declaring anyone critical of this aggression as anti-semitic.
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Or perhaps they're just ignorant of the situation in the Middle-East?

One reminder, Israel is the only country in the Middle-East where human rights are respected. Where there is democracy. And where gay rights and women's rights are protected. Considering that Israel is the only country in the Middle-East where voting matters, and Israel is surrounded by enemies, perhaps Israel is acting in the best interst of the Israeli people? Which isn't being expansionist. I think it's more helpful seeing it as a way to spread the rule of law and human rights in the Middle-East.
 
Harry Bosch said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Derec said:
It is certainly anti-semitic to single Israel out for conducting operations inside Syria.
Click to expand...

If that principle were true, then every current event news thread saying X did this or that would be racist against X merely because it says X did this or that. It is not racist, however, to mention that such and such is happening in a current event.

Derec said:
...Turkey...
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Whataboutism.

Based on your response(s), you seem to have a huge problem admitting that this current event happened and it is wrong.
Click to expand...
Derek raises a good point. Why single out Israel? Why does Turkey and America get a free pass here?
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Literally just a mindless whataboutism that unserious, stupid people repeat ad nauseum to justify atrocities, in literally every situation where one country commits atrocities and proponents of that country want to sweep the atrocities under the rug. That's a "good point"? Secondly is anyone here even making excuses for the Iraq war or the Afghanistan war? No? Then shut the fuck up.
 
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GenesisNemesis said:
Harry Bosch said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Derec said:
It is certainly anti-semitic to single Israel out for conducting operations inside Syria.
Click to expand...

If that principle were true, then every current event news thread saying X did this or that would be racist against X merely because it says X did this or that. It is not racist, however, to mention that such and such is happening in a current event.

Derec said:
...Turkey...
Click to expand...

Whataboutism.

Based on your response(s), you seem to have a huge problem admitting that this current event happened and it is wrong.
Click to expand...
Derek raises a good point. Why single out Israel? Why does Turkey and America get a free pass here?
Click to expand...

Literally just a mindless whataboutism that unserious, stupid people repeat ad nauseum to justify atrocities, in literally every situation where one country commits atrocities and proponents of that country want to sweep the atrocities under the rug. That's a "good point"? Secondly is anyone here even making excuses for the Iraq war or the Afghanistan war? No? Then shut the fuck up.
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Both the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war took down horrific regimes. Yes, sometimes stuff doesn't work out. That doesn't mean it's not worth it to try to make an effort and try. Middle-Easterners deserve the right to have freedom and have their personal rights respected, just as much as us in the west. It just sucks that that these societies keep sliding into dictatorships.
 
GenesisNemesis said:
Harry Bosch said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Derec said:
It is certainly anti-semitic to single Israel out for conducting operations inside Syria.
Click to expand...

If that principle were true, then every current event news thread saying X did this or that would be racist against X merely because it says X did this or that. It is not racist, however, to mention that such and such is happening in a current event.

Derec said:
...Turkey...
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Whataboutism.

Based on your response(s), you seem to have a huge problem admitting that this current event happened and it is wrong.
Click to expand...
Derek raises a good point. Why single out Israel? Why does Turkey and America get a free pass here?
Click to expand...

Literally just a mindless whataboutism that unserious, stupid people repeat ad nauseum to justify atrocities, in literally every situation where one country commits atrocities and proponents of that country want to sweep the atrocities under the rug. That's a "good point"? Secondly is anyone here even making excuses for the Iraq war or the Afghanistan war? No? Then shut the fuck up.
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They were specifically mentioning American attacks within Syria, at the same time Israel is dealing with Syria, not Afghanistan or Iraq.

A "former" ISIS guy is now in "charge" of "Syria" which borders Israel. Clearly there are interests Israel can have with this turn of events, as there are questions as to what this new guy wants to do... and the minor vacuum in the borders of Syria turning into potentially a massive one allowing any bread of radical (by terrorist standards) organizations to establish a foothold. The collapse of Assad was a bit sudden, which left behind a bit much, including alleged chemical weapons that no one should want terrorists getting their hands on.

Israel starts indiscriminately bombing civilian targets and marching towards Damascus, we can talk about Israel overstepping their bounds. But I don't want a gas attach in Tel Aviv that could have been prevented with a couple bombs.
 
Here's a good summary of the (exceedingly complicated) situation in Syria.



Nothing is obvious or easy to understand about Syria
 
GenesisNemesis said:
Harry Bosch said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Derec said:
It is certainly anti-semitic to single Israel out for conducting operations inside Syria.
Click to expand...

If that principle were true, then every current event news thread saying X did this or that would be racist against X merely because it says X did this or that. It is not racist, however, to mention that such and such is happening in a current event.

Derec said:
...Turkey...
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Whataboutism.

Based on your response(s), you seem to have a huge problem admitting that this current event happened and it is wrong.
Click to expand...
Derek raises a good point. Why single out Israel? Why does Turkey and America get a free pass here?
Click to expand...

Literally just a mindless whataboutism that unserious, stupid people repeat ad nauseum to justify atrocities, in literally every situation where one country commits atrocities and proponents of that country want to sweep the atrocities under the rug. That's a "good point"? Secondly is anyone here even making excuses for the Iraq war or the Afghanistan war? No? Then shut the fuck up.
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Amigo: I didn’t reference either the Iraq or Afghan war. After Assad fled, the US attacked 75 targets in Syria on 12.9.24.
 
There was this whole issue with Russia Wagner group attempting to seize oil production in Syria. There might be some demarcation in conflict there between those attempting to exploit the power vacuum into annexation opportunity vs. those attempting to prevent it.

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Derec said:
Again, when Israel is singled out over and over again, that shows bias. What do you think such anti-Israel bias is based on?

So why the one-sided condemnation of Israel?
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Just want to bookmark this for the next time you post about people of color and immigrants committing crimes in the US while completely ignoring crime stats in the US in general (probably ok if the immigrants are israeli).

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