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Do Atheists believe in Heaven?

Christian morality? Is it moral to say "believe X or face eternal damnation, believe in Jesus as your redeemer or suffer eternal torment"

Christian morality according Christ is to .. love your neighbour,love your enemy, love and feed the poor and hungry and so on and so on.

Simply put by the context of your statement, like other atheists with this logic:

Its either you 'love your neighbour etc & etc.' as mentioned above, OR it's damnation!
There is no agreement among the Christian faith that that is true. Catholics are more the acts is redemption thing. Protestants are more the born-again saved people.
 
On my reading of the NT, works alone cannot win salvation. Faith in Christ is the way. Without that you have a one way ticket to Destination Fucked.
 
Depends on where you're reading in their scripture. In MT 19, the rich young man asks Jesus how to attain eternal life. First Jesus tells him some commandments to follow. The man says he follows them, and so what else must he do? Jesus: 'If you want to be perfect, go and sell all you have and give the money to the poor, and you will have riches in heaven. Then come and follow me.'
Christians today: (cutting you off) Stop right there! He isn't talking to us! He's talking to that one guy! You're taking it out of context!!
 

Christian morality according Christ is to .. love your neighbour,love your enemy, love and feed the poor and hungry and so on and so on.



Its either you 'love your neighbour etc & etc.' as mentioned above, OR it's damnation!
Goddddddamn! The Republican Party is going to hell??
Possibly, but did you get the point, and irony of it?

Why would you choose NOT to love your neighbour in the first place?
Just for starters, the asshole has wind chimes, which means I can't sleep with the windows open.
Well, what does one expect when you're closed-in like a box? A boxed room, a box mentality, everything box-like.

Just do herself a favour, and open the windows 'think outside of it ' where all the fresh air is at.
😉

One hopes you are speaking into a mirror.

The box in this case is close-minded, fundy religion that takes metaphors and parables and outright fairy tales to be literally true.
I was hoping you'd be a little 'open minded ' to 'miracles, pood.
 

Christian morality according Christ is to .. love your neighbour,love your enemy, love and feed the poor and hungry and so on and so on.



Its either you 'love your neighbour etc & etc.' as mentioned above, OR it's damnation!
Goddddddamn! The Republican Party is going to hell??
Possibly, but did you get the point, and irony of it?

Why would you choose NOT to love your neighbour in the first place?
Just for starters, the asshole has wind chimes, which means I can't sleep with the windows open.
Well, what does one expect when you're closed-in like a box? A boxed room, a box mentality, everything box-like.

Just do herself a favour, and open the windows 'think outside of it ' where all the fresh air is at.
😉

One hopes you are speaking into a mirror.

The box in this case is close-minded, fundy religion that takes metaphors and parables and outright fairy tales to be literally true.
I was hoping you'd be a little 'open minded ' to 'miracles, pood.

Why would I do that? I’ll go with Hume’s take on miracles, thanks.

I was hoping you’d be a little more open minded to the fact that a literal reading of the bible is bullshit.
 
Why would you choose NOT to love your neighbour in the first place?
Well, quite.

So why should anyone give a rats about Jesus, who stated the bleeding bloody obvious? He wasn't the first, wasn't the last, and didn't get people to change (folks have been killing in his name pretty much ever since). So why should anyone care that he said these things?
 
Why would you choose NOT to love your neighbour in the first place?
Well, quite.

So why should anyone give a rats about Jesus, who stated the bleeding bloody obvious?
Stating the obvious isn't quite obvious is it now, when we witness even today the atrocities done on others? Yeah so um... that's the reason why.

He wasn't the first, wasn't the last, and didn't get people to change (folks have been killing in his name pretty much ever since). So why should anyone care that he said these things?
A different conversation slipped in there but regardless of whether he was the first or not, just like the above...the universal message being portrayed is...
...everyone should give a rat's .

So back to the conversation I was particularly engaging in, if you care to keep track bilby.. the choice between 'loving ones neighbours' versus damnation was bewildering, at least to me, when atheists are making arguments and excuses to oppose anything to do with Jesus ( his teachings love your neighbours ,enemies etc.) regardless..where the alternative to that seems preferable,..i.e..damnation. 😐?
 
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Why would you choose NOT to love your neighbour in the first place?
Well, quite.

So why should anyone give a rats about Jesus, who stated the bleeding bloody obvious?
Stating the obvious isn't quite obvious is it now, when we witness even today the atrocities done on others? Yeah so um... that's the reason why.

He wasn't the first, wasn't the last, and didn't get people to change (folks have been killing in his name pretty much ever since). So why should anyone care that he said these things?
A different conversation slipped in there but regardless of whether he was the first or not, just like the above...the universal message being portrayed is...
...everyone should give a rat's .

So back to the conversation I was particularly engaging in, if you care to keep track bilby.. the choice between 'loving ones neighbours' versus damnation was bewildering, at least to me, when atheists are making arguments and excuses to oppose anything to do with Jesus ( his teachings love your neighbours ,enemies etc.) regardless...which the alternative to that is...damnation. 😐

Where did any atheist here oppose loving your neighbors, enemies, etc.? :unsure: Where did anyone here argue for opposing anything to do with Jesus? :unsure:
 
Why would you choose NOT to love your neighbour in the first place?
Well, quite.

So why should anyone give a rats about Jesus, who stated the bleeding bloody obvious?
Stating the obvious isn't quite obvious is it now, when we witness even today the atrocities done on others? Yeah so um... that's the reason why.

He wasn't the first, wasn't the last, and didn't get people to change (folks have been killing in his name pretty much ever since). So why should anyone care that he said these things?
A different conversation slipped in there but regardless of whether he was the first or not, just like the above...the universal message being portrayed is...
...everyone should give a rat's .

So back to the conversation I was particularly engaging in, if you care to keep track bilby.. the choice between 'loving ones neighbours' versus damnation was bewildering, at least to me, when atheists are making arguments and excuses to oppose anything to do with Jesus ( his teachings love your neighbours ,enemies etc.) regardless...which the alternative to that is...damnation. 😐

Where did any atheist here oppose loving your neighbors, enemies, etc.? :unsure: Where did anyone here argue for opposing anything to do with Jesus? :unsure:
When I posted Christianity according to Jesus. Were you a lawyer?🤪
 
When I posted Christianity according to Jesus. Were you a lawyer?🤪

I’ve no idea what the response is supposed to mean. I ask again: Where did any atheist in this thread oppose loving one’s neighbor, or oppose anything having to do with Jesus? :unsure:
 
When I posted Christianity according to Jesus. Were you a lawyer?🤪

I’ve no idea what the response is supposed to mean. I ask again: Where did any atheist in this thread oppose loving one’s neighbor, or oppose anything having to do with Jesus? :unsure:
Well, to be honest the prohibition against fornication would be a tough one for me, at least when I was younger and frisky.

Then there is that meek shall inherit the Earth bit.

Turn the other cheek. Sometimes maybe, other times not..

The poor you always have, me only a while. Arrogant self absorbed narcissist.

And more.
 
Matt makes planning for retirement redundant, God will provide!

Matthew 6:34: "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

“Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life

“And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith?
 
Simple answer?

Speaking for myself, no.

I don't think there's an "afterlife" at all, let alone one that is divided between eternal torment (for not doing as the deity wishes) and eternal bliss (for being sufficiently subservient).

When I die (and that's coming sooner than later) my brain functions will stop and my "soul" will not travel to another realm where I'm tortured forever or sentenced to sitting at the feet of Jesus and telling him how awesome he is for the rest of time.

It's a silly idea and - as others have mentioned - a method of control. I don't live my life based on whether or not some bronze age religion thinks I deserve to bask in eternal bliss or suffer in eternal flames. If I leave the world a little better place and am remembered for being a decent person, then that's all I can really ask for.
 
We are watching live on TV how the Bronze Age religion in question is acting like it is back in the Bronze Age. Brutality, genocide, and conquest in the name of Yahweh who gavet hem land 3000 years ago.
 
I'm trying to imagine how an atheist would conceptualize an afterlife -- one that was created by no one....one that is counterposed to everything we observe about brain function...one that would seem to have no connection to the morality of one's earthly life.
No, that's not our brand. To be an atheist means that one accepts that life is a one-way ticket, and that mortality is the underlying reality in life. If it doesn't mean that, then one is just clinging to some residual fantasies from early church experiences.
In some versions of alternate universes, copies of ourselves may live the same life, down to the last detail, over and over again. and many variants of it; archetypes, but they are not us. We died and ceased to be. However, Some versions of Einstein's Block Universe also allow our lives in this universe to be viewed as a static thing that exists forever; an Eternal Return That would be us. Heaven? No.
 
We have been dead before. We are now alive. Sooner or later we are going to be dead again.
But was it 'we' or just a copy of ourselves? Or an eternally existing us consisting of all the 'nows' we have ever experienced?
 
Wild ass speculation based on science without any evidence is just that, wild ass speculation.

Humans invented gods and mythology to explain reality. Today as a kind of secular theology or mythology people invent scifi realities that provide hope of something more than death of the body being the end.

'Hope springs eternal'
 
Wild ass speculation based on science without any evidence is just that, wild ass speculation.

Humans invented gods and mythology to explain reality. Today as a kind of secular theology or mythology people invent scifi realities that provide hope of something more than death of the body being the end.

'Hope springs eternal'
I enjoy speculation. OTOH, speculation should not be taken too seriously.
 
Nothing wrong with speculation. As far as I know scifi kinds of speculations have not led to real wprld wars and oppression.

I do think that some of the claims made on philosophy are religious like beliefs.

The only heaven I was ever aware of was between a woman's legs. One transcends reality...

More useless trivia in my brain.

The French term for "little death," often used in reference to the euphoric feeling after orgasm, is "la petite mort". It literally translates to "the little death." This phrase refers to the brief loss or weakening of consciousness and the feeling of euphoria experienced after climax.


The old cliche is that immortality lays in having kids.
 
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