Circumcision and you

Apparently the creator of the universe commanded his people to be circumcised. Then Paul thought it was no longer necessary, perhaps to encourage more gentiles to convert to Christianity.

Personally I am circumcised because of my Australian Lutheran heritage. What about you and people you know?

Thread title sounds like the worst McGraw-Hill filmstrip of all time.

excreationist said:

Apparently the creator of the universe commanded his people to be circumcised.

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Update: just the males of his people

BTW I found some statistics:
% of men who are circumcised:
Israel 91.7%
South Korea 77%
United States 71.2%
South Africa 44.7%
Canada 31.9%
Hong Kong 28%
Australia 26.6%
United Kingdom 20.7%
China 14%
France 14%
Russia 11.8%
Japan 9%
Brazil 1.3%
Iceland 0.1%

Muslim countries are usually almost fully circumcised.

Not sure if this is true, but it sounds right.

Genesis depicts Abraham starting circumcision in order to seal the deal with Jehovah. (Not sure how that worked--"Drop trou and prove you're a Hebrew", I suppose?)

The only problem is that Canaanites, from whom the Hebrews arose, also circumcised their baby boys, so there was no difference. Abraham was just doing what every other idol worshipper was doing.

It was only much later, when Hebrews were transplanted to Persia, where people did NOT circumcise their babies, and where the Hebrew scholars were compiling their sacred writings, did their centuries-old practice need to be justified. I can just imagine the conversation:

"Why in the ever-loving world are you cutting off the tips of your baby boys' penises!?"

"Our God commanded us to, long ago."

"But why?"

"To prove that our God loves us and will always take care of us."

"Uh-huh. And how's that working out for you?"

"Trust us--if we don't do this our God gets mad."

"You Hebrews make no sense."

We may be dismissing the Biblical wisdom in the rite of circumcision. If it is done correctly -- and, critically, if the results are archived -- it can be a real benefit to mankind. I'm not talking about the circumcision scar as a sign of a covenant. I'm talking about matters of daily life.
If God is trying to kill you, sprinkle some foreskin blood on your feet. God's urge to murder will instantly pass. I realize this means storing the blood (assuming you have no uncut male baby around) so think ahead. I rely on the authority of Exodus 4.
If you are a dude, and you are anxious to marry the daughter of an important man, offer him a bag of 100 foreskins as a dowry. On the actual day of delivery, bring 200 foreskins, and count each one in front of your future father-in-law. This will impress him mightily. (If he still doesn't think you should have his daughter's hand, then use the 200th foreskin like a rubber band and shoot it right at his face, preferably when his mouth is open.) There is the logistical problem of where to get 200 foreskins, and that's when it's good to know a mohel or two. I rely on the authority of I Samuel 18.

On the other hand, if you are uncut, you can get the lead roles in gay porn. I rely on the authority of Paul.
Or no, Rupaul.

ideologyhunter said:

There is the logistical problem of where to get 200 foreskins, and that's when it's good to know a mohel or two.

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Just kill 200 Philistines...
1 Samuel 18:25-27

Saul replied, “Say to David, ‘The king wants no other price for the bride than a hundred Philistine foreskins, to take revenge on his enemies.’” Saul’s plan was to have David fall by the hands of the Philistines.
When the attendants told David these things, he was pleased to become the king’s son-in-law. So before the allotted time elapsed, David took his men with him and went out and killed two hundred Philistines and brought back their foreskins. They counted out the full number to the king so that David might become the king’s son-in-law. Then Saul gave him his daughter Michal in marriage.

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Where I live, ICE has deported all the Philistines. They were eating the ferrets and parakeets.

excreationist said:

ideologyhunter said:

There is the logistical problem of where to get 200 foreskins, and that's when it's good to know a mohel or two.

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Just kill 200 Philistines...
1 Samuel 18:25-27

Saul replied, “Say to David, ‘The king wants no other price for the bride than a hundred Philistine foreskins, to take revenge on his enemies.’” Saul’s plan was to have David fall by the hands of the Philistines.
When the attendants told David these things, he was pleased to become the king’s son-in-law. So before the allotted time elapsed, David took his men with him and went out and killed two hundred Philistines and brought back their foreskins. They counted out the full number to the king so that David might become the king’s son-in-law. Then Saul gave him his daughter Michal in marriage.

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I see, IOW...
... 200 'Skin heads'...the original use of the term. Wow, who would have thought?

(I say with the same "seriousness" of the discussion )

I'm circumcised, as are most men my age. IIRC, I didn't even know what the word meant until I was an adult. I had thought all guys were born this way. Thinking back though, I remember goofing around with some friends at the local stadium during off hours and one of my (uncircumcised) friends pulled his pants down to pee on the field and....WTF was I seeeing? I was sorta dumbfounded. I couldn't make sense of it (I concluded he was deformed and moved on). Even later in gym class locker room, everyone was circumcised.

thebeave said:

....I remember goofing around with some friends at the local stadium during off hours and one of my (uncircumcised) friends pulled his pants down to pee on the field and....WTF was I seeeing? I was sorta dumbfounded. I couldn't make sense of it (I concluded he was deformed and moved on).

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When I was a boy I had to have a bath with a family friend's boy and also thought something was weird about his penis but didn't realise exactly what.

BTW Jesus also was circumcised when he was 8 days old (Luke 2:21)
I paid someone to do this illustration for my Christmas book

which was based on a painting that didn't hide Jesus' manhood.
It also talks about John the Baptist being circumcised on the eighth day... (Luke 1:59)

I believe that I knew about circumcision before I actually saw an intact dick.
I was circumcised in the charity ward of a huge, urban, Catholic hospital. I thought everybody's dick looked like it had been run over by an industrial sewing machine.
Tom

PS ~Notice how restrained I am being in a thread about cocks.~

Based on what I see in current porn (which I must say I think is mostly horrible), and in a few discussions online I've read, it seems to me they are really going overboard with circumcisions, ie, they are not leaving enough skin, rendering a certain "tightness" and resulting in an over-dependence on lubrication. Plenty of young men are complaining about this problem, and foreskin restoration is a thing.

I recently asked my adult son how he felt about not being circumcised, and he said emphatically, "Thank you!!"

I had a Christian female coworker tell me that not having my son circumcised was "child abuse."

WAB said:

I had a Christian female coworker tell me that not having my son circumcised was "child abuse."

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I know we have to respect each other's opinions, and that it doesn't pay to etc., etc., etc., but how close were you to 'Fuck you, honey'?

ideologyhunter said:

WAB said:

I had a Christian female coworker tell me that not having my son circumcised was "child abuse."

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I know we have to respect each other's opinions, and that it doesn't pay to etc., etc., etc., but how close were you to 'Fuck you, honey'?

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Honestly? I was incredibly pissed, but I bit my tongue and thought about her thoughts for a second. She had probably been taught by some nitwit pastor that a male infant would go to hell if they weren't circumcised and baptized. So to not do that, if such nonsense were reality, would in fact BE child abuse. I remember arguing a bit about it but letting it drop eventually.

WAB said:

ideologyhunter said:

WAB said:

I had a Christian female coworker tell me that not having my son circumcised was "child abuse."

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I know we have to respect each other's opinions, and that it doesn't pay to etc., etc., etc., but how close were you to 'Fuck you, honey'?

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Honestly? I was incredibly pissed, but I bit my tongue and thought about her thoughts for a second. She had probably been taught by some nitwit pastor that a male infant would go to hell if they weren't circumcised and baptized. So to not do that, if such nonsense were reality, would in fact BE child abuse. I remember arguing a bit about it but letting it drop eventually.

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As a gay non-theist, living in Jesusville, Trumpistan I've had to get better at that than I used to be.
Tom

My manliness is generally well-reviewed, despite my parents choosing not to sanctify my genitals with the knife of holiness, so attitudes in the country must be shifting somewhat. I feel like you still see an awful lot of cut guys around, despite a few decades now of doctors trying to talk people out of the operation.

Does anyone else find pro-circumcision arguments a tad creepy? "Foreskins look unattractive" Uh, you're not supposed to find your son attractive anyway... "I want him to look like his father" Jesus Christ, why? "I don't want him to have to clean under there" Actually, showering is still advised, and it's going to be your job to teach him that...

Curious how many of the arguments in favor of female circumcision--arguments which some people find repellant--are the same arguments made in favor of male circumcision.

Why do genitals look like undersea creatures?

Politesse said:

"Foreskins look unattractive"

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Some women look life flowers. Others, not so much. A wad of chewing gum sometimes comes to mind.
Was god not looking when he sculpted them?
Is that what circumsizion is about? God trying to cover-up his clumseyness?