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Prostitution and the Bible

So let's say there was a woman that slept around (she doesn't necessarily need to be married to all of the men). Are you saying that the fact that they're not sure who the fathers are of the children is an advantage?
Yes. Particularly if all of the potential fathers act as fathers to all of the child(ren). Having lots of parents (rather than just the traditional two) has all the advantages of having a large extended family, only more so.
 
What if the woman loses interest in sex... does she still have a responsibility to keep all of her husbands happy sexually?
No, of course not. She wouldn't have that "responsibility" under any circumstances, so how many husbands she has is totally irrelevant.

What kind of bizarre morality do you subscribe to that would even lead to such a question?
 
So let's say there was a woman that slept around (she doesn't necessarily need to be married to all of the men). Are you saying that the fact that they're not sure who the fathers are of the children is an advantage?
Yes. Particularly if all of the potential fathers act as fathers to all of the child(ren). Having lots of parents (rather than just the traditional two) has all the advantages of having a large extended family, only more so.
If a man thinks there is a 25% chance he is the father I think he would be less likely to stick around than if he thinks there is a 100% chance. He might also spend more time with a child if he thinks he is possibly the father vs if it was a 100% chance. It would also mean that he'd probably offer inheritances for children that might not be his own, etc.
What if the woman loses interest in sex... does she still have a responsibility to keep all of her husbands happy sexually?
No, of course not. She wouldn't have that "responsibility" under any circumstances, so how many husbands she has is totally irrelevant.
If the woman isn't providing sex to all of her husbands they have less reason to stick around, particularly if they aren't sure if any of her children are theirs.
What kind of bizarre morality do you subscribe to that would even lead to such a question?
In polygamy if the women aren't putting out the man could just try and get more wives. In polyandry the men seem to be stuck in a sexless marriage - unless they leave her and the children. BTW another advantage with knowing both parents is to work out if there are genetic issues, etc.
In the case of polygamy if some of the women aren't interested in sex the man could focus on the others more.
There is a LOT more to marriage (yes, even for men) than sex. Your assumptions seem immature at best, and deeply immoral at worst.
What is there besides sex and children? Companionship? In polyandry the men would normally only get a fraction of their wife's time. But the wife would be spending some time looking after the children. In polygamy there is more help with looking after the children.
 
You seem to be completely incapable of thinking outside a very small and restrictive box of extremely local cultural expectations, that you have convinced yourself are immutable laws of nature.

I feel very sorry for you.
I did point out that polyandry in Tibet isn't as bad as it could have been - "Two, three, four, or more brothers jointly take a wife" - that means that the children would have the same grandparents on the man's side of the family. (unless the grandfather also involved polyandry but then the shared grandfather just goes up another level).
 
You seem to be completely incapable of thinking outside a very small and restrictive box of extremely local cultural expectations, that you have convinced yourself are immutable laws of nature.

I feel very sorry for you.
I did point out that polyandry in Tibet isn't as bad as it could have been - "Two, three, four, or more brothers jointly take a wife" - that means that the children would have the same grandparents on the man's side of the family. (unless the grandfather also involved polyandry but then the shared grandfather just goes up another level).
Where does "bad" even come in to it?

You still haven't explained what is bad about any of this. What is bad about having more grandparents?
 
You seem to be completely incapable of thinking outside a very small and restrictive box of extremely local cultural expectations, that you have convinced yourself are immutable laws of nature.

I feel very sorry for you.
I did point out that polyandry in Tibet isn't as bad as it could have been - "Two, three, four, or more brothers jointly take a wife" - that means that the children would have the same grandparents on the man's side of the family. (unless the grandfather also involved polyandry but then the shared grandfather just goes up another level).
Where does "bad" even come in to it?

You still haven't explained what is bad about any of this. What is bad about having more grandparents?
So you don't understand why I think having unrelated husbands is worse than them being brothers? If all of the brothers shared the same parents it would be easy for the children to know their grandparents. But if there were five unrelated husbands do you really think it is likely that the children would get to know all five sets of living grandparents? And also record all of their names and ancestors in case you wanted to do a genealogy? And if it was a second generation of polyandry it would be even harder to do a genealogy.
If unrelated husbands are better then I wonder why they specifically avoid that in Tibet.
I think polygamy is a lot better than polyandry. Do you think that polyandry is better than polygamy?
BTW consider the Coolidge Effect: (related to polygamy vs polyandry)
The Coolidge effect is the phenomenon where males (and to some extent, females) show renewed sexual interest after being presented with a new, receptive partner, even after becoming sexually satiated with a previous one. This is thought to be an evolutionary mechanism for increasing reproductive success by distributing sperm more widely.
 
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And also record all of their names and ancestors in case you wanted to do a genealogy? And if it was a second generation of polyandry it would be even harder to do a genealogy.
So what? What use is a genealogy anyway?
In Genesis the genealogies (and ages at fatherhood) can be used to approximately date the age of the Earth and the global Flood (assuming it was historical). In the gospels two contradictory genealogies are used to show that Jesus fulfilled related prophecies...
My father was able to find out which obscure areas of Europe his ancestors came from. I don't think that would be possible without genealogies.
 
And also record all of their names and ancestors in case you wanted to do a genealogy? And if it was a second generation of polyandry it would be even harder to do a genealogy.
So what? What use is a genealogy anyway?
In Genesis the genealogies (and ages at fatherhood) can be used to approximately date the age of the Earth and the global Flood (assuming it was historical).
That's a VERY poor assumption. The Earth cannot be dated by genealogies. because humans have been around for about 2% of the time the Earth has existed. And there never was a global flood, after granitic continental crust started to collect at the Earth's surface, floating on top of the basaltic ocean bed crust (continental crust forms at depth, but the granitic rock thus produced is less dense than basalt, and so tends to aggregate as a kind of floating dross, that sits up far enough from the oceanic floor to always protrude above sea level once there is enough of it at the top
of the lithosphere, even when sea level is at a maximum due to the absence of polar icecaps).
In the gospels two contradictory genealogies are used to show that Jesus fulfilled related prophecies...
Which are pure BS. So the genealogies were just usless props for nonsensical claims.
My father was able to find out which obscure areas of Europe his ancestors came from. I don't think that would be possible without genealogies.
It's not possible with them, because their accuracy is always dubious (very few people are certain who their father is). You can get an answer, but not likely the right answer.

For the right answer to the question of where ones ancestors come from, DNA testing works very well (and often shows geneological results to be false); And, of course, it really doesn't matter much where anyone's ancestors came from anyway. There's not a lot you can usefully do with that information at an individual level.
 
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You don't seem to think genealogies have any value but I thought it was clever that in the genealogies Methuselah and Lamech died just before the Flood is said to have happened in order to not contradict the Flood story
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DNA analysis wasn't possible in Biblical times. Even if the lineage was false occasionally at least there is an official father - in polyandry I'd assume there is not an official father... ? (if there was it would be likely it was false)
I guess it is impossible to convince you that genealogies are useful. The Bible talks a lot about lineages and that assumes people can fairly accurately tell who their father is - which is basically what genealogies are all about. For Jesus they consider Joseph to be his official father - even if he wasn't the biological father. So the gospels consider his genealogies to be useful despite that (to show he was "descended" from King David, etc)
 
The Bible talks a lot about lineages and that assumes people can fairly accurately tell who their father is - which is basically...
...yet another example of why no sensible person should care what the Bible says, because it's generally wrong about pretty much everything.

Which is hardly surprising, given that it was written before empiricism was even a thing, and the epistemologies of its authors were utterly unsuited to discerning how reality works.
 
I guess it is impossible to convince you that genealogies are useful.
I guess we will never know whether or not it is possible, because you haven't tried to convince me yet.

I have asked several times for you to explain why they are, and you have done nothing towards that end, but continue to not only assume that they are, but also to imply that I know why you think that they are.

Even though I keep asking why you think that.

Which should be a strong hint that I don't know why you think that.
 
The Bible talks a lot about lineages and that assumes people can fairly accurately tell who their father is - which is basically...
...yet another example of why no sensible person should care what the Bible says,
Yet you comment on threads that are in a forum category mainly about the Bible.
because it's generally wrong about pretty much everything.
I still find it interesting even if it isn't true. e.g. I made these resources about the genealogies in the gospels:
Most Bible enthusiasts might not realize that both genealogies involve governor Zerubbabel and his father Shealtiel - they are the only things the genealogies have in common after King David.
Which is hardly surprising, given that it was written before empiricism was even a thing, and the epistemologies of its authors were utterly unsuited to discerning how reality works.
That insight does demonstrate how uninterested you are in the Bible.
 
I guess it is impossible to convince you that genealogies are useful.
I guess we will never know whether or not it is possible, because you haven't tried to convince me yet.
Perhaps I haven't tried with every fibre of my being but I believe I have tried to some extent. 1. the Bible uses them a lot so genealogies seem to be useful for writers of the Bible 2. my father found some benefits - got to find out about his ancestors and where they lived, etc.
I have asked several times for you to explain why they are, and you have done nothing towards that end,
I gave at least 2 reasons (see previous statement) - not "nothing". Maybe you are exaggerating.
but continue to not only assume that they are, but also to imply that I know why you think that they are.
I guess it is possible that you have no knowledge about why genealogies could possibly be useful, as you claim.
Even though I keep asking why you think that.

Which should be a strong hint that I don't know why you think that.
I just gave 2 reasons which I had already mentioned earlier. I suspect that if I had originally said that genealogies are completely pointless you might be arguing on the other side...
 
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